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djsunyc
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4/17/2007  12:47 PM 

2004 1st round - lottery (traded away for marbury)
2004 2nd round - #44 trevor ariza

2005 1st round - #8 channing frye
2005 1st round - #21 nate robinson (acquired with q for kurt)
2005 1st round - #29 david lee (acquired with malik for nazr)
2005 2nd round - #34 (traded away for nazr mohammed)

2006 1st round - #2 (traded away for eddy curry)
2006 1st round - #21 renaldo balkman (acquired with jalen for AD)
2006 1st round - #30 mardy collins (acquired with malik for nazr)
2006 2nd round - #32 (traded away for mo taylor)

2007 1st round - lottery (traded away for eddy curry)
2007 1st round - #23-25 (acquired with eddy curry)
2007 2nd round - #35-40 (traded away for eddy curry)


how would you grade his performance utilizing his draft assets both in terms of talent and fit with the team?

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4/17/2007  1:04 PM
2004 1st round - lottery (traded away for marbury)

2nd worst trade and you might as well include the 2010 unprotected pick that they're going to have to give up to complete the trade

2004 2nd round - #44 trevor ariza

Nice pick for when he got him but he's a backup role player for another player and they're stuck with Francis

2005 1st round - #8 channing frye

Bust. Soft and deer in headlights. Plus using the pick on Bynum would have kept them from making the worst trade.

2005 1st round - #21 nate robinson (acquired with q for kurt)

Total clown. Hurts more than he helps. Even Isiah seems to be tiring of him.

2005 1st round - #29 david lee (acquired with malik for nazr)

Great pick, although I don't think his ceiling is much higher than what he showed this year.

2005 2nd round - #34 (traded away for nazr mohammed)

To get Lee, it's acceptable.

2006 1st round - #2 (traded away for eddy curry)

Completely pointless and maddening that he didn't protect the pick even slightly.

2006 1st round - #21 renaldo balkman (acquired with jalen for AD)

Reached for him too soon. Should have gotten Marcus Williams with this pick.

2006 1st round - #30 mardy collins (acquired with malik for nazr)

Could have gotten Balkman here, unless you're going to believe an admitted liar. Balkman is a nice role player and energy guy off the bench for a good team. Collins is Frank Williams II. If he stays in the NBA it'll be for his defense.

2006 2nd round - #32 (traded away for mo taylor)

Pointless to give up what amounts to a low first rd pick without the guaranteed contract.

2007 1st round - lottery (traded away for eddy curry)

Stupid. Name another GM who has traded away 2 consecutive top 6 lottery picks and kept their job?

2007 1st round - #23-25 (acquired with eddy curry)

TBD but it's not a lottery pick

2007 2nd round - #30-40 (traded away for eddy curry)

TBD

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4/17/2007  1:16 PM
Regardless of what Isiah tells you, he could have included protection on this years pick, at least a top 5 five without question protecting it to the top 3 picks.......

I think it goes like this.

Ariza was a great pick where we got him

Frye is terrible is a huge bust

Nate is a disaster and isiah not possessing a brain ignores facts and looks strickly at talent.

Lee great selection here the only other selection better in the entire draft is monte ellis. I still believe he has room to go, look for isiah to move the only white guy on the team this summer to bring in his old pal JO

Balkman: love the kid, although i really believe we could have taken him at 29, but will be a solid player

Collins: I think he has some good upside and is probably the best all around guard on the team at this point......
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4/17/2007  1:31 PM
KG is going to Chicago, thanks to Isiah.

There's no way Bird gives JO to Isiah without getting anything less than Lee, use of this years pick and next years unprotected #1, plus Rose, Frye and Crawford to make the salaries work.

Basically it would be one ginormous Starphuck that wouldn't even guarantee a 2nd rd appearance before old players started to break down and the franchise being set back another 10 years.
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4/17/2007  1:35 PM
i'd give him a B+ overall... i'm happy w/most of the guys he's drafted w/the exception of Channing Frye... i think he really missed the boat by not taking Gerald Greene (who I wanted all along) or Bynum... i'm still on the fence w/Nate... i think he's got a lot of talent & i love his heart, but he's got a lot of maturing he needs to do as a person & a basketball player IMO.
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Posted by MS:

Regardless of what Isiah tells you, he could have included protection on this years pick, at least a top 5 five without question protecting it to the top 3 picks.......

I think it goes like this.

Ariza was a great pick where we got him

Frye is terrible is a huge bust

Nate is a disaster and isiah not possessing a brain ignores facts and looks strickly at talent.

Lee great selection here the only other selection better in the entire draft is monte ellis. I still believe he has room to go, look for isiah to move the only white guy on the team this summer to bring in his old pal JO

Balkman: love the kid, although i really believe we could have taken him at 29, but will be a solid player

Collins: I think he has some good upside and is probably the best all around guard on the team at this point......

Nate is instant offense. We do not have another player that can hit the 3 with regularity like Nate. Sure maybe he is a little challenged but what does the wonderlic mean when you can help the team?
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4/17/2007  2:04 PM
He's been overrated by many.


His drafting has been slightly better than mediocre.


I'm going to keep highlighting this point though



This Wad protected a 2nd round 50th pick for 15yrs with Toronto but has unprotected 3 first round picks with the Knicks. 2 of them definite lottery picks, 1 potentially to become one. 1 of those picks amounted to be Tyrus Thomas, Roy, or Aldridge. The next one has a chance to be Oden or Durant. Next worst case scenario they end up giving away Hibbert, Conley, or Brewer. Then he fails to unprotect 2 future second round picks 1 of them will be exercised this summer's draft.


He BLOWS GOATS!

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-17-2007 1:05 PM]
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4/17/2007  2:09 PM
Ariza was a wasted pick
Channing Frye is headed that way but jury is still out
David Lee appears to be a great pick
Balkman and collins look very good now but jury is still out(think Frye)
Nate Jury is still out.

The way I see it, he has one very good pick. Two that appear to be good picks. 2 that need to get their acts together and one complete waste.

He does a solid job of unearthing talent. Overall I feel confident with the guy going into the draft. But the fact that he has traded away so many, and his current record with us is spotty so far just gives me an overall bad feeling on his draft record.
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4/17/2007  2:20 PM
Correction New York has traded away 4 first round picks for Marbury and Curry. My question at this point is how did Phx exercise that first 1rst round pick from the Marbury trade?
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4/17/2007  2:24 PM
i believe Utah gets our pick from the Marbury trade.
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Posted by TMS:

i believe Utah gets our pick from the Marbury trade.

I know that but there were 2 1rst rounders given up in the initial Marbury Trade. I want to know if and how was the first 1rst rounder was exercised.

The Knicks acquired Marbury, Penny Hardaway and Cezary Trybanski from Phoenix for Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward, Maciej Lampe, the rights to Milos Vujanic, two first-round draft picks and cash.


"Our goal is to win an NBA championship, and our goal is to put together a team that can do that," Knicks president Isiah Thomas said after making his first major move in his new job.
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4/17/2007  2:42 PM
The lottery pick we lose this year hurts so bad cuz there are players available the knicks can use. With the projected pick the knicks definately have a shot at brewer, and Jeff green. If the bulls sub the lottery I'm not sure if I can stop the darkside from overtaking my knick soul.
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Bip, why do you say Ariza was a wasted pick? B/c of the Francis trade?

Ariza. Would have been very helpful for us had we kept him.

Frye - Looking like a bust so long as we have Curry

Balkman/Collins - Nice picks, maybe Isiah could have done better. However, I can't complain about the players themselves.

Lee- Great job.

Nate - Jury is still out. If he can wise up, he's great.
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With Granger flourishing in Indy and Bynum and Green showing some real big signs, it's shocking how nobdoy else besides us, talks about how bad the Frye pick has been.
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4/17/2007  2:47 PM
The bullseye is locked in on isiah for real now. He has a chance to make one last change to the team in my book. I like the direction of the team. Its all about isiahs next move. Its makey or brakey time.
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4/17/2007  2:48 PM
I really hope Curry turns into a monster in the post but I have a feeling that even then, it will never be enough for Knick fans who will always question the "oppurtunity to get Oden or Durant."

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Posted by Allanfan20:

With Granger flourishing in Indy and Bynum and Green showing some real big signs, it's shocking how nobdoy else besides us, talks about how bad the Frye pick has been.

now that you out it out there, frank isola will be putting an article out sometime this week making the same point.
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Posted by Allanfan20:

Bip, why do you say Ariza was a wasted pick? B/c of the Francis trade?

Ariza. Would have been very helpful for us had we kept him.

Frye - Looking like a bust so long as we have Curry

Balkman/Collins - Nice picks, maybe Isiah could have done better. However, I can't complain about the players themselves.

Lee- Great job.

Nate - Jury is still out. If he can wise up, he's great.

yes, because we wasted it on Francis a guy that did not fit on our roster in anyway shape or form.
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4/17/2007  3:14 PM
He's done pretty well with draft picks. The *end result* the W-L is the bottom line. It's how the players *fit* together and ultimately WIN or lOSE. Certainly we do know iT has had more $$$ leeway that any man in any sport other than the Yankees. I think next year--there has to be a mandate--a mandate of winning like the RAPTORS did this year or DARN close to it.
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4/17/2007  3:38 PM
Its unreal how dumb Isiah is and how much he overpays to get talent in here that doesn't make a difference between winning and losing.

I was not a huge fan of him draft last season. I much preferred like a lot of people taking Bynum, Greene, Granger, Warrick, May in that order. This ******* is always talking about uncoventional ways why not take a chance on a high school kid.

He literally gets fleeced or overpays. The suns needed cash? Why? Isiah seems to throw away picks in most deals, Marbury, Taylor, Curry and then put a huge premium on picks and I can't believe no one brings up the fact that for two first round picks 29, and 30 it cost him 33million. He takes q's deal, gives jefferies a trade kicker, is willing to take jerome williams and vin baker for crawford, for some reason thought risking 50 million on francis was a wise decision, this guy might be the dumbest executive in sports history. If we get a top 2 pick which i think the nba might just arrange for spite, isiah has effectivly made the worst deal in nba history......

And regardless of how well he drafts, he clogs up the roster with overpriced **** taking time away from guys that should play.
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