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4/16/2007  10:07 AM
WAIT 'TIL NEXT YEAR
By MARC BERMAN

April 16, 2007 -- TORONTO - Stephon Marbury has accepted the Knicks' nasty fate of missing the playoffs and asked fans yesterday to be patient and view this season with a broader lens.

Because the Knicks' crash coincided with an absurd amount of injuries, Marbury still looks at this season as setting the stage for a bright future.

"I believe we turned the corner as a team, as far as everybody being on the same page," Marbury told The Post before the Knicks lost, 107-105, to the Raptors here last night. "Injuries just came at the wrong time. . . . That hampered our season.

"It definitely has been a roller coaster this year but it's nowhere near last year," Marbury added. "Going forward you could see the growth as a team. Everyone's on the same page, gets along, there's no B.S. It will make a world of difference."

Marbury, for once, escaped taking the blame for the Knicks' collapse, except for the pure Coney Island Kid bashers. Coach/president Isiah Thomas called it Marbury's best season.

Marbury's season certainly was fine off the court. He became a TV talk show host and is now known as such a basketball philanthropist that tonight HBO's Real Sports will donate 15 minutes to a feature on his $14.98 Starbury sneakers, geared to low-income families.

"It's the best thing I've ever done on the court or off the court," Marbury said. "That's something I'm most proud of because it changed lives."

Thomas can't say enough about Marbury's growth on the court. After a horrendous November in which he looked as if he had lost a step and feuded with Thomas over his role as the Knicks stumbled, Marbury finally mastered all aspects of the game, becoming a consummate point guard and stout defender.

"His leadership, play and everything else was superb," Thomas said. "I don't think he's had a better year that I can remember . . . Statistically, [it] may not look as good when he was [averaging] 20 [points] and 8 [assists]. From a pure basketball standpoint, it was probably the best basketball I've seen him play in this league."

Marbury, averaging 16.4 points and 5.4 assists, and Thomas feuded early over the coach's wish to have the offense revolve around Eddy Curry.

"I don't think I've been harder on any player on the locker room than I was with him," Thomas said.

Finally, Marbury bought into it, ending the disagreements with Thomas.

"Our relationship because of us being so close - it was hard," Marbury said. "At the same time it was easy. Because I knew it was for the best what we were trying to do.

"I think I grew up a lot," Marbury added. "At the beginning, I played a different role than I normally did. I think I transcended when I really started to understand what we were doing on the basketball court and making Eddy our first option. It allowed my game to grow."

With two games left (tonight against the Nets and Wednesday at Charlotte), Marbury, suffering from turf toe, probably won't suit up again this season. He missed his fifth straight game last night. But he'll be on the tube after the season ends. His talk show, in its sixth week, continues Friday when he schmoozes with guest Adam Sandler. It has been a strange transformation.

"A lot of people have said 'I never knew you were like that,' " Marbury said. "I've always been that way but I've been depicted in a certain way. I know who I am. Now having a show, people are able to see a different side of me."

Marbury still feels stung by the darts he's received from the media.

"People ask me, 'Are you doing the shoe thing for your image?' " Marbury added. "There's nothing wrong with my image. Everything that's been said about me are by people who don't know me."
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4/16/2007  10:11 AM
Injuries, injuries, I'm a good guy so learn to know me first, yada yada.....
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4/16/2007  10:24 AM
Well this turn is headed towards a Dead End as usual.

It's funny reading


Marbury's comments
Lee's comments
Curry's comments
Malik's comments
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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4/16/2007  10:33 AM
"You look the part of
The poor brave martyr
And guess who broke your heart?

The way that they would
Sugarcoat it
When they wrote it
I would've believed it, too
I would've believed it, too

I would believe that

I'm so relentless
And you're defenseless
Until the pencil stops

You'll be the one who's
Sugarcoated
Overloaded
'Till you believe it's true
'Till you believe it's true

'Til you believe it

And out of your mouth
Comes a string of cliches
Now I have given you so much rope
You should have been hanging for days
But you keep spitting it out


It wasn't nice, though
I came back twice, so
Now I'm the anti-Christ

If I would be as
Sugarcoated
Self-promoted
They would have believed me, too
They would have believed me, too
Would you believe me, too?
Would you believe it, too?"

I love Marbury. The lovers and him clearly share the same brain. Dude, your team won 32 games, with their proclaimed best two players healthy. The Knicks are an embarassment to the NBA and will continue to be that way until Marbury and Thomas are no longer affiliated with the team. It's incredible. Isiah puts a crinkled, torn up $1 bill underneath at hat and people SWEAR that it's brand-new, crisp, clean $100 bill. This guy is a freakin' magician. Unreal.

If Steph actually believes the garbage he just spewed out, then we've never been further away than this point in time.

[Edited by - Solace on Apr 16 2007 10:55 AM]
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4/16/2007  11:37 AM
well according to isiah, steph had his best year ever.
and so did eddy...our franchise center.

net result, 32 wins.
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4/16/2007  11:48 AM
It amazes me how easy it's been for some of us to keep missing the point of what was happening this season. Forget the win total! That was NEVER really going to be the whole story this year. Let's suppose that isiah had decided that he wanted to win by letting Steph, Jamal and Francis just go crazy scoring the ball? Suppose that Curry and Lee never really got a chance to shine this year and we focused on the guards and won more games early. Maybe this team won more games but it was at the expense of developing the other key players that will be here for the long haul? The record may have looked better but the season wouldn't have meant as much.

The thing is that this team took a SOLID set of steps this year. Why it's so easy for some of us to just write that off is a mystery to me. The point is that we could see the team was beginning to come together and that some of the young players we have showed much progress. In fact they showed that we have a lot to look forward to as this team moves forward.

Do these players have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH! Does Isiah have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH? Still we saw Curry and Lee make an impact this year. Balkman and Collins proved that they can have an impact for this team. Steph showed that he can be a leader for this team going forward. The TEAM stayed together and kept fighting. This is not the end of the story. It's just the beginning. It was NEVER really just about this year, no matter how many games we won. If we didn't start to build a meaningful path for this teams future it would mean nothing. WE DID set the path that this team can move forward with. It was a disappointing end, but some things DID get accomplished. That's all Steph is saying.
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4/16/2007  11:53 AM
Posted by nixluva:

It amazes me how easy it's been for some of us to keep missing the point of what was happening this season. Forget the win total! That was NEVER really going to be the whole story this year. Let's suppose that isiah had decided that he wanted to win by letting Steph, Jamal and Francis just go crazy scoring the ball? Suppose that Curry and Lee never really got a chance to shine this year and we focused on the guards and won more games early. Maybe this team won more games but it was at the expense of developing the other key players that will be here for the long haul? The record may have looked better but the season wouldn't have meant as much.

The thing is that this team took a SOLID set of steps this year. Why it's so easy for some of us to just write that off is a mystery to me. The point is that we could see the team was beginning to come together and that some of the young players we have showed much progress. In fact they showed that we have a lot to look forward to as this team moves forward.

Do these players have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH! Does Isiah have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH? Still we saw Curry and Lee make an impact this year. Balkman and Collins proved that they can have an impact for this team. Steph showed that he can be a leader for this team going forward. The TEAM stayed together and kept fighting. This is not the end of the story. It's just the beginning. It was NEVER really just about this year, no matter how many games we won. If we didn't start to build a meaningful path for this teams future it would mean nothing. WE DID set the path that this team can move forward with. It was a disappointing end, but some things DID get accomplished. That's all Steph is saying.

how are we supposed to forget about win total when the first thing every brings up is 23 wins last season?

all this talk about "turning the corner" etc is nonsense. with the talent level here, we should not be a 32 win team. changes have to be made. chemistry and all that jazz is a byproduct of a well built team. i don't buy the "learning" process. pieces have to be added and moved for it to click. what these players are "learning" is how to use injuries as an excuse. the only guy to step forward and say anything remotely "true" is malik about how this team isn't mentally ready to win. that doesn't happen when you continue to lose and are "lead" by players that never won before. it only happens when you bring WINNERS here. it's personnel, not time needed. personnel needs to be changed.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-16-2007 11:53 AM]
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4/16/2007  11:53 AM
"Our relationship because of us being so close - it was hard," Marbury said. "At the same time it was easy. Because I knew it was for the best what we were trying to do.

i.e. Last year was Marbury's fault.
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4/16/2007  11:55 AM
Marbury had a good stretch this season, and I've been less inclined to criticize him than in past years. It is plausible that this was his best overall year, since he actually played some defense. I don't think Marbury was the biggest problem on the Knicks this year.

However, I think it was Marv who pointed out that Marbury usually has a good stretch every year before returning to his stat-padding, no-defense-playing ways. Only time will tell if he has really changed.

But this season our problems had more to do with Frye & Jeffries' disappointing play, and perhaps an over-reliance on the dump-it-down-to-curry strategy. And as always, a lack of consistent defense.

I still don't know what this team's identity is.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 04-16-2007 11:56]
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Posted by nixluva:

It amazes me how easy it's been for some of us to keep missing the point of what was happening this season. Forget the win total! That was NEVER really going to be the whole story this year. Let's suppose that isiah had decided that he wanted to win by letting Steph, Jamal and Francis just go crazy scoring the ball? Suppose that Curry and Lee never really got a chance to shine this year and we focused on the guards and won more games early. Maybe this team won more games but it was at the expense of developing the other key players that will be here for the long haul? The record may have looked better but the season wouldn't have meant as much.

The thing is that this team took a SOLID set of steps this year. Why it's so easy for some of us to just write that off is a mystery to me. The point is that we could see the team was beginning to come together and that some of the young players we have showed much progress. In fact they showed that we have a lot to look forward to as this team moves forward.

Do these players have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH! Does Isiah have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH? Still we saw Curry and Lee make an impact this year. Balkman and Collins proved that they can have an impact for this team. Steph showed that he can be a leader for this team going forward. The TEAM stayed together and kept fighting. This is not the end of the story. It's just the beginning. It was NEVER really just about this year, no matter how many games we won. If we didn't start to build a meaningful path for this teams future it would mean nothing. WE DID set the path that this team can move forward with. It was a disappointing end, but some things DID get accomplished. That's all Steph is saying.

Nix, it comes down to this: you and maybe 25-40% of the board feel he set the path. 30-50% of the board feels he didn't. The rest are uncertain. I fall into the group that feels he didn't. I, for one, think the two WORST things for Eddy Curry were getting Eddy thinking he's a star when he does ONE thing well and is awful at almost everything else.... and have him satisfied with that and, two, having Stephon Marbury as a rolemodel. TERRIBLE. The consensus is that our future is based on the success of Curry, Lee and Balkman. Yet, we have major concerns about Lee, some concern about Balkman, and Curry does EVERYTHING wrong because he doesn't have basketball FUNDAMENTALS down. That's not a justice towards our team or our future. It's an injustice and it's going to cost us. You're right about the win total, except, of course, you and many of the lovers picked more wins than we got. Putting that aside, no the win total is really irrelevant. What's more relevant is how many times we got blown out (a lot), how many times we made excuses (a lot), how many times we started the game completely flat (a lot), and how many times we collapsed in the fourth quarter after making a great comeback (a lot). There's been a lot of talk about the teamwork and cohesion, and yet, I don't know if we've seen a season with so much finger pointing. There's a lot of negative things that need to stop and go away... and those things are a reflection of the coach and our supposed "leader", Cancerbury. Change these things and you change the team... and the fans start to agree. These things are too big to ignore, sorry.
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Posted by BasketballJones:

Marbury had a good stretch this season, and I've been less inclined to criticize him than in past years. It is plausible that this was his best overall year, since he actually played some defense. I don't think Marbury was the biggest problem on the Knicks this year.

However, I think it was Marv who pointed out that Marbury usually has a good stretch every year before returning to his stat-padding, no-defense-playing ways. Only time will tell if he has really changed.

But this season our problems had more to do with Frye & Jeffries' disappointing play, and perhaps an over-reliance on the dump-it-down-to-curry strategy. And as always, a lack of consistent defense.

I still don't know what this team's identity is.

marbury has done nothing positive for this franchise outside of 2 extra home games in 2004. since then, he's hurt the franchise more than helped. all his comments this season pretty much echo that sentiment.

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4/16/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:

Marbury had a good stretch this season, and I've been less inclined to criticize him than in past years. It is plausible that this was his best overall year, since he actually played some defense. I don't think Marbury was the biggest problem on the Knicks this year.

However, I think it was Marv who pointed out that Marbury usually has a good stretch every year before returning to his stat-padding, no-defense-playing ways. Only time will tell if he has really changed.

But this season our problems had more to do with Frye & Jeffries' disappointing play, and perhaps an over-reliance on the dump-it-down-to-curry strategy. And as always, a lack of consistent defense.

I still don't know what this team's identity is.

marbury has done nothing positive for this franchise outside of 2 extra home games in 2004. since then, he's hurt the franchise more than helped. all his comments this season pretty much echo that sentiment.

Well, that's unfair. He has given us many humorous moments. That's gotta count for something.
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4/16/2007  12:27 PM
PLAN A: build a team around Marbury and H20...get Jamal as a sixth man until H20 is finished

PLAN B: make a decision to "rebuild." drafts three rookies. hire Larry Brown who Isiah KNEW Marbury would not get along with. also, LB is not a "rebuild" coach- he likes vets. get Eddy Curry.

The fundamental disconnect is that Marbury needs to be surrounded with vets a la H20. He needs to be led as he is not a leader. He also needs a player(s) better or on the same level as he is. This is where Isiah really screwed up...he asked Marbury to not be Marbury by hiring LB and he asked Marbury to be a leader of younger players.

I don't necessarily blame Marbury for everything except for his utter disrepect of authority figures except for Isiah Thomas. I do however, blame Isiah for facilitating an environment where Marbury can just leave and promote sneakers or his TV show during the NBA season. I blame Isiah for bringing Steph here and then putting him in un-Stephon-like situations...he should not be asked to be the "vet" on this team...he is a very good player but this team needs a real leader, not someone who may have exhibited SOME leadership qualities on this team.

Isiah ABSOLVED Marbury of any leadership this summer...he (Isiah) was the leader of the team as he said.

Also, until Marbury is gone, I do not forsee any of these younger players inclusive of the Curry, Craws and Q's of the Knicks-world stepping up. This is Steph's turf (toe) and Isiah made it known that Steph was his boy...why would anyone step up with him here? So they can be traded like Kurt Thomas for challenging Marbury?

This is allegedly Eddy's team or the "young core's" team but as far as I am concerned, it seemingly always comes down to Marbury.
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Posted by Queeniepop:

PLAN A: build a team around Marbury and H20...get Jamal as a sixth man until H20 is finished

PLAN B: make a decision to "rebuild." drafts three rookies. hire Larry Brown who Isiah KNEW Marbury would not get along with. also, LB is not a "rebuild" coach- he likes vets. get Eddy Curry.

The fundamental disconnect is that Marbury needs to be surrounded with vets a la H20. He needs to be led as he is not a leader. He also needs a player(s) better or on the same level as he is. This is where Isiah really screwed up...he asked Marbury to not be Marbury by hiring LB and he asked Marbury to be a leader of younger players.

I don't necessarily blame Marbury for everything except for his utter disrepect of authority figures except for Isiah Thomas. I do however, blame Isiah for facilitating an environment where Marbury can just leave and promote sneakers or his TV show during the NBA season. I blame Isiah for bringing Steph here and then putting him in un-Stephon-like situations...he should not be asked to be the "vet" on this team...he is a very good player but this team needs a real leader, not someone who may have exhibited SOME leadership qualities on this team.

Isiah ABSOLVED Marbury of any leadership this summer...he (Isiah) was the leader of the team as he said.

Also, until Marbury is gone, I do not forsee any of these younger players inclusive of the Curry, Craws and Q's of the Knicks-world stepping up. This is Steph's turf (toe) and Isiah made it known that Steph was his boy...why would anyone step up with him here? So they can be traded like Kurt Thomas for challenging Marbury?

This is allegedly Eddy's team or the "young core's" team but as far as I am concerned, it seemingly always comes down to Marbury.


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4/16/2007  4:00 PM
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Why does anyone with a username think they know everything?

"You know what gives me the authority? I have a computer. That's what."

LOL. thanks for that. Clears up the thread nicely.
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by nixluva:

It amazes me how easy it's been for some of us to keep missing the point of what was happening this season. Forget the win total! That was NEVER really going to be the whole story this year. Let's suppose that isiah had decided that he wanted to win by letting Steph, Jamal and Francis just go crazy scoring the ball? Suppose that Curry and Lee never really got a chance to shine this year and we focused on the guards and won more games early. Maybe this team won more games but it was at the expense of developing the other key players that will be here for the long haul? The record may have looked better but the season wouldn't have meant as much.

The thing is that this team took a SOLID set of steps this year. Why it's so easy for some of us to just write that off is a mystery to me. The point is that we could see the team was beginning to come together and that some of the young players we have showed much progress. In fact they showed that we have a lot to look forward to as this team moves forward.

Do these players have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH! Does Isiah have a lot more to do? HECK YEAH? Still we saw Curry and Lee make an impact this year. Balkman and Collins proved that they can have an impact for this team. Steph showed that he can be a leader for this team going forward. The TEAM stayed together and kept fighting. This is not the end of the story. It's just the beginning. It was NEVER really just about this year, no matter how many games we won. If we didn't start to build a meaningful path for this teams future it would mean nothing. WE DID set the path that this team can move forward with. It was a disappointing end, but some things DID get accomplished. That's all Steph is saying.

Nix, it comes down to this: you and maybe 25-40% of the board feel he set the path. 30-50% of the board feels he didn't. The rest are uncertain. I fall into the group that feels he didn't. I, for one, think the two WORST things for Eddy Curry were getting Eddy thinking he's a star when he does ONE thing well and is awful at almost everything else.... and have him satisfied with that and, two, having Stephon Marbury as a rolemodel. TERRIBLE. The consensus is that our future is based on the success of Curry, Lee and Balkman. Yet, we have major concerns about Lee, some concern about Balkman, and Curry does EVERYTHING wrong because he doesn't have basketball FUNDAMENTALS down. That's not a justice towards our team or our future. It's an injustice and it's going to cost us. You're right about the win total, except, of course, you and many of the lovers picked more wins than we got. Putting that aside, no the win total is really irrelevant. What's more relevant is how many times we got blown out (a lot), how many times we made excuses (a lot), how many times we started the game completely flat (a lot), and how many times we collapsed in the fourth quarter after making a great comeback (a lot). There's been a lot of talk about the teamwork and cohesion, and yet, I don't know if we've seen a season with so much finger pointing. There's a lot of negative things that need to stop and go away... and those things are a reflection of the coach and our supposed "leader", Cancerbury. Change these things and you change the team... and the fans start to agree. These things are too big to ignore, sorry.

Read Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people" to get a handle on Isiahs' Management style.

Fundamental Techniques in Handling People

1. Don't criticize, condemn or complain.
2. Give honest and sincere appreciation.
3. Arouse in the other person an eager want.

Part Two

Six ways to make people like you

1. Become genuinely interested in other people.
2. Smile.
3. Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
4. Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
5. Talk in terms of the other person's interests.
6. Make the other person feel important - and do it sincerely.

Part Three

Win people to your way of thinking

1. The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it.
2. Show respect for the other person's opinions. Never say, "You're wrong."
3. If you are wrong, admit it quickly and emphatically.
4. Begin in a friendly way.
5. Get the other person saying "yes, yes" immediately.
6. Let the other person do a great deal of the talking.
7. Let the other person feel that the idea is his or hers.
8. Try honestly to see things from the other person's point of view.
9. Be sympathetic with the other person's ideas and desires.
10. Appeal to the nobler motives.
11. Dramatize your ideas.
12. Throw down a challenge.

Part Four

Be a Leader: How to Change People Without Giving Offense or Arousing Resentment


A leader's job often includes changing your people's attitudes and behavior. Some suggestions to accomplish this:

1. Begin with praise and honest appreciation.
2. Call attention to people's mistakes indirectly.
3. Talk about your own mistakes before criticizing the other person.
4. Ask questions instead of giving direct orders.
5. Let the other person save face.
6. Praise the slightest improvement and praise every improvement. Be "hearty in your approbation and lavish in your praise."
7. Give the other person a fine reputation to live up to.
8. Use encouragement. Make the fault seem easy to correct.
9. Make the other person happy about doing the thing you suggest.
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4/16/2007  6:45 PM
Yeah Steph we really turned a corner. We turned off of atrocious boulevard onto suck avenue.

That joke sucked so bad I had to post it.
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4/16/2007  6:55 PM
yep he says same thing back in 2005

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