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nixluva
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4/8/2007  1:47 AM
I posted this in another thread, but I felt like it should get it's own thread. We can kind of figure out who we can move forward with and who we can move and give the roster a bit more balance. The most likely candidates to be traded IMO look like Frye, Jamal and Nate. I think Francis is likely untradeable, so he's a buyout. FRYE, JAMAL - NATE to Seattle for Rashard. Would you do it? Trade checker says the trade would work.

CURRY - LEE
MORRIS - JARED

RASHARD - BALKMAN
STEPH - MARDY - Q

Draft a guy like Morris Almond to give us a bit more shooting power. Sign Steve Blake with MLE to cover backup PG.
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4/8/2007  2:00 AM
What we need to do is rebuild and stop rehashing with starphucking trades.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/8/2007  2:04 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

What we need to do is rebuild and stop rehashing with starphucking trades.

A rebuild isn't likely to happen, which is why I think refining the roster a bit is the best we can right now. What do you think of the actual concept, even if you'd change certain players?
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4/8/2007  2:13 AM
Moving Forward and Marbury are Antonyms..................
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4/8/2007  2:17 AM
Posted by Anji:

Moving Forward and Marbury are Antonyms..................

There are only 2 more years left on his contract. I think that we can still make moves that set the team up for life after him. No one seems to be responding to the actual question at hand. We know that we're going to do something this summer. Do you think that sending Frye, Jamal and Nate to Seattle for Rashard and in combination drafting a strong outside shooter like Morris Almond and signing a PG like Steve Blake is a good idea? Do you have some other options that you think would work better?
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4/8/2007  3:09 AM
Whether or not it's realistic isn't important.


Dolan's the one holding us back b/c if we smart enuff he'd let us rebuild the right way.


We're simply not strong enough now, or in the seeable future.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/8/2007  11:32 AM
To answer you question, Nix, yeah I would do it. Rahard gives us a legit SF who can stretch the D and open things up for Curry. He's a legit second option.

If we are to somehow pull off that trade, I'd rather draft Afflalo over Almond for defensive purposes. Afflalo is a high IQ guy who can defend out on the perimter.
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4/8/2007  11:51 AM
The idea to get Rashard Lewis for this exact trade has been brought up countless times. Look through some of the older threads and you'll see it on there.
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4/8/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea to get Rashard Lewis for this exact trade has been brought up countless times. Look through some of the older threads and you'll see it on there.

What i'm also curious about is how everyone sees the remainder of the roster being filled out to make it more complementary to what we're looking to do now. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that Randolph Morris has a stronger post game than Frye and he may be able to keep the same sets going when Curry isn't in the game, thus maintaining our post oriented attack. If that works out, then we REALLY do need to keep moving the team in that direction.

bigbeast mentioned Afflalo over Almond. I haven't seen either enough to say who would abe a better fit of the two. The scouting reports I read of Almond impressed me tho. Anytime someone is described as automatic shooting from outside, that's what I want to hear. We need another H2O type shooter on this team. Other teams have guys like that and we REALLY need one. However you could take Afflalo and then try to sign a guy like Kapono or Carroll for more outside shooting.
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4/8/2007  12:38 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by nyk4ever:

The idea to get Rashard Lewis for this exact trade has been brought up countless times. Look through some of the older threads and you'll see it on there.

What i'm also curious about is how everyone sees the remainder of the roster being filled out to make it more complementary to what we're looking to do now. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that Randolph Morris has a stronger post game than Frye and he may be able to keep the same sets going when Curry isn't in the game, thus maintaining our post oriented attack. If that works out, then we REALLY do need to keep moving the team in that direction.

bigbeast mentioned Afflalo over Almond. I haven't seen either enough to say who would abe a better fit of the two. The scouting reports I read of Almond impressed me tho. Anytime someone is described as automatic shooting from outside, that's what I want to hear. We need another H2O type shooter on this team. Other teams have guys like that and we REALLY need one. However you could take Afflalo and then try to sign a guy like Kapono or Carroll for more outside shooting.

I mentioned Afflalo over Almond only in the scenario that you proposed of us landing Lewis. Lewis would give us the shooter we need from the perimeter, so Afflalo would make more sense to give us a defensive presence out on the perimeter. If we are unable to land Lewis, then I would go wih Almond if available.

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4/8/2007  12:41 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What i'm also curious about is how everyone sees the remainder of the roster being filled out to make it more complementary to what we're looking to do now. I may be wrong, but I get the feeling that Randolph Morris has a stronger post game than Frye and he may be able to keep the same sets going when Curry isn't in the game, thus maintaining our post oriented attack. If that works out, then we REALLY do need to keep moving the team in that direction.

I haven't wanted Frye here from day one, so my opinion that we should move him is a bit biased, but I think due to the reasons that you just stated(Randolph Morris), it's more likely than ever that he is going to be moving on. Personally, I like Frye has a human being, he seems like a good dude and I hope for his sake that Isiah would be able to find a deal where both the Knicks AND Frye can benefit, I think that deal would be with the Suns, Lakers, Kings, Warriors. Now the question is, can the Knicks get anything from those teams that will help them - probably not. I have believed from day 1 that if Isiah can't get Garnett, he's going to call the Sonics and ask about a sign and trade for Rashard, which will likely include Frye/Crawford/Nate - and thats a good deal for the Knicks.

I think any deal where the Knicks can get a stud SF who can put up big scoring numbers via a versatile offensive game, would be a good deal for us, a shotblocker would also be nice but there aren't too many of those guys around, so obviously they are harder to find.
bigbeast mentioned Afflalo over Almond. I haven't seen either enough to say who would abe a better fit of the two. The scouting reports I read of Almond impressed me tho. Anytime someone is described as automatic shooting from outside, that's what I want to hear. We need another H2O type shooter on this team. Other teams have guys like that and we REALLY need one. However you could take Afflalo and then try to sign a guy like Kapono or Carroll for more outside shooting.

I think Afflalo has a nice game but he's far too inconsistent and struggled when he went up against other future would-be NBA'ers, I don't think its even a forgone conclusion that he enters the draft, I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed next year to try and raise his value with a great senior year, because as it stands now he's a borderline 1st round/2nd round pick. Trust me Nix, Almond is the guy for this team, he's a deadeye shooter and with his extremely impressive performance last year at the pre-draft camp(where he took MVP honors as a junior) he is the guy this team needs at the 2guard. Signing a guy like Kapono or Carroll would be a waste if we are drafting a 2guard, there has to be better ways to utilize our resources and keep the salary cap together and signing a guy like Kapono or Carroll would take a pretty hefty hit on our cap for the future.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 04-08-2007 12:42 PM]
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4/8/2007  12:46 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

[I mentioned Afflalo over Almond only in the scenario that you proposed of us landing Lewis. Lewis would give us the shooter we need from the perimeter, so Afflalo would make more sense to give us a defensive presence out on the perimeter. If we are unable to land Lewis, then I would go wih Almond if available.

Got it! Just looking at the options this off season, I feel pretty good about our chances of making something happen. Even if we can't get Rashard or JO. A lesser move would still help the team a bit going forward. Like I said, there are some interesting FA's that will be out there. I don't think Charlotte would let him get away, but Gerald Wallace will be out there. This makes me think that we could take Matt Carroll if we wanted to get a solid 3pt shooter. I don't know how far Miami would go to keep Kapono, but he's another guy with great range.
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4/8/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by bigbeast:

[I mentioned Afflalo over Almond only in the scenario that you proposed of us landing Lewis. Lewis would give us the shooter we need from the perimeter, so Afflalo would make more sense to give us a defensive presence out on the perimeter. If we are unable to land Lewis, then I would go wih Almond if available.

Got it! Just looking at the options this off season, I feel pretty good about our chances of making something happen. Even if we can't get Rashard or JO. A lesser move would still help the team a bit going forward. Like I said, there are some interesting FA's that will be out there. I don't think Charlotte would let him get away, but Gerald Wallace will be out there. This makes me think that we could take Matt Carroll if we wanted to get a solid 3pt shooter. I don't know how far Miami would go to keep Kapono, but he's another guy with great range.

I mentioned in the FA thread, that G wallace would be my number 1 target. Wallace makes the most sense for the way we are currently constructed. He'll give us the help defense, shotblocking from the baseline that we desperately need. But I highly doubt the Bobcats will let him go. He has improved his offensive game by leaps and bounds. Jordan really screwed up by taking Morrison over Roy. Morrison is a SF as is Wallace. It would be a mistake to put Wallace at the 2 because he is a baseline player.
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4/8/2007  1:00 PM
without buying someone out or trading multiple players for one, we only have one roster spot open (Cato's) next year. Do we have a 1st and a 2nd round pick this year?

I'd love it if we could trade a few of the spare parts away like Jeffries and Frye.
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4/8/2007  1:47 PM
after all the hoopla Isiah and the players and Al Trautwig etc have been making since Crawford's injury about his chemistry with Curry, somehow I doubt Isiah will move Craw if he is going to build around Curry
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4/8/2007  1:57 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:

after all the hoopla Isiah and the players and Al Trautwig etc have been making since Crawford's injury about his chemistry with Curry, somehow I doubt Isiah will move Craw if he is going to build around Curry

Maybe, but it all depends on whether Isiah feels it's a sacrifice he has to make in order to get a player this team needs MORE than JC. Jamal is a guy that you can't really depend on IMO. He can be a game saver at times, but overall he's not a very efficient player. In time I think other guards can develop a good chemistry with Curry too. Mardy has already started. Plus I see that isiah has made a nice adjustment to the offense, which has made it a bit easier for them to get Curry the ball. They're moving Curry more from box to box and a forward is moving to the top of the paint area and getting the ball then making the short entry pass to Curry via a shot lob or bounce pass. They also were able to make a cut and then a short bounce or wrap around pass to him. I think as the offense evolves that the loss of Jamal will be compensated for.

JohnWallace44 mentioned the roster spots, but if they want to they can MAKE room by buying out Francis. There's only our 1st rd. pick this year. Remember tho that Isiah kept a spot open this year after he bought out Jalen and we used that to sign R. Morris.
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4/9/2007  11:52 AM
we're not getting Rashard for that package... get real... we'll have to give up either Curry or D Lee at the very least.
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4/9/2007  4:33 PM
Posted by highfivesucka:

after all the hoopla Isiah and the players and Al Trautwig etc have been making since Crawford's injury about his chemistry with Curry, somehow I doubt Isiah will move Craw if he is going to build around Curry

Not only that...Jamal has become a "company-man." He is endorsing iO cable...he and Henrik Lundquvist have a commercial on MSG network. when u watch the game later, i am sure it will be on since its on during almost every Knicks and Rangers game.

NIX...if Isiah LOVES jamal sooooo much...why all of a sudden do u want him out. you have seen mardy collins play like 7 games. he is not ready for the big time. all isiah does is lament the loss of jamal and lee. it is doubtful either of them is going anywhere...plus clearly you are a marbury-homer and marbury cried when jamal went down.

hey since marbs' value is SOOOOO high, why not get rid of him now?
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4/9/2007  4:39 PM
Wait Nixluva you want to trade Jamal the injury to the player that makes Curry better and supposedly is 1 or 1a in importance of a lock playoff appearance for a player who wants Larry Hughes, Micheal Redd, Vince Carter type money to tie up our cap for yrs to come?
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4/9/2007  4:47 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Wait Nixluva you want to trade Jamal the injury to the player that makes Curry better and supposedly is 1 or 1a in importance of a lock playoff appearance for a player who wants Larry Hughes, Micheal Redd, Vince Carter type money to tie up our cap for yrs to come?

Oh Please. You're so full of CRAP! I'm merely suggesting a possible move that Isiah could make to reshape the roster. It's not about me WANTING to get rid of Jamal. I'm loyal to the KNICKS not any specific player. If isiah feels that he needs to make a trade of anyone to give this team a better chance to win, then so be it. However there are certain players that you KNOW aren't likely to be traded. That can change depending on who is being offered and what a team is willing to accept.

I don't feel that Jamal is irreplaceable. He makes this team better if he's playing vs. not playing, but there could easily be a better player for this team. I don't think that in the long run his presence couldn't be made up for by another player who is perhaps more efficient and a better defender.
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