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joec32033
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4/6/2007  1:16 PM
From the Daily News:

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Friday, April 6th 2007, 4:00 AM

There are 29 teams waiting for Kevin Garnett to force his way out of Minnesota. The Lakers want to pair him with Kobe Bryant. Chicago is convinced that Garnett would put them over the top and the Knicks, seeking instant credibility, want a face for their franchise.

And while the league dreams, Garnett continues to demonstrate why he is the rarest of superstars. Rather than complain and demand a one-way ticket out, Garnett places a premium on loyalty and says he wants to help the Timberwolves rebuild.

"I've always had great respect for Kevin," Isiah Thomas said yesterday. "He's a throwback kind of guy because he has really taken responsibility for wanting to do it for the team he plays for. He's not looking to hitch a ride to a championship.

"He wants to do it on his own. There have been a lot of great players who have tried to hitch rides to get one and haven't been successful at it. You've got to admire his loyalty to his teammates and his organization. He always leaves it up to the organization to make a decision as opposed to him making a decision."

Garnett makes his one and only New York appearance of the season tonight with a team that is bound for the lottery again. The Knicks, who have lost five straight home games to team with losing records, remain in the hunt for a playoff berth despite their 31-43 record.

For Thomas, the real season begins this summer when the Knicks' president/coach looks to make the move that will get his team into the playoffs. The word around the team is that Thomas will return for the foreseeable future and Garden chairman James Dolan is giving him the green light to make major changes.

The theory last year was Dolan wanted Thomas to prove to him that he could win more than 23 games with the essentially the same roster Larry Brown had.

Garnett is on the Knicks' radar but it is unlikely that he will be traded. Thomas would also have interest in Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal, who has talked openly about being traded. Seattle's Ray Allen is another possibility, along with free agents Gerald Wallace, Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter.

Thomas probably would be open to trading everyone with the exception of Eddy Curry. Stephon Marbury's value may never be higher but his contract still scares most potential suitors.

IFFY: David Lee, who dressed for Wednesday's loss to the Sixers but did not play, is being listed as day-to-day with a sore leg. Steve Francis (sprained ankle) isn't expected to play tonight and says he likely won't travel to Milwaukee for tomorrow's game.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2007/04/06/2007-04-06_knicks_can_see_gem_in_garnett.html

[Edited by - joec32033 on 04-06-2007 1:17 PM]
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4/6/2007  1:21 PM
Pretty interesting to say the least. I wish everyone was available, including Curry but I can deal with that, as long as a top player comes back this way, I don't care.
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4/6/2007  1:26 PM
I got the plan.

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4/6/2007  1:27 PM
"I'm sure there will be some conversations about Vince," Thorn said earlier this week. "There is nothing scheduled at the present time, but there will be some conversation. As for whether it will be before the end of the season, let's see what transpires. Everyone's in a good spot now, focused in and ready to go. I don't want to fool around with that."

The reason Thorn is reluctant to negotiate, the team officials said, is simple: Although he has the green light from Ratner to lock up Carter long-term, he believes there are still some sign-and-trade opportunities that are worth pursuing once the free-agent market opens if Carter opts out.
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/117583441511180.xml&coll=1

not the only player in the market and Carter >>> than any NY package



[Edited by - McK1 on 06-04-2007 1:29 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/6/2007  1:30 PM
Just a little something from NBA Insider for you about Garnett..

Dreaming Of KG
Apr 6 - Isiah Thomas couldn't sleep after Wednesday's loss to Philadelphia, but perchance he can dream tonight with Kevin Garnett in town.

Perchance, facing the miserable math of his team's fading playoff push (2½ games out with eight to play), he can dream of KG wearing No. 21 in Knicks white next season, not in the Minnesota blue Garnett will wear tonight at the Garden.

Thomas can't, and won't, say that because of the NBA's "thou shalt not verbally covet another team's player" mandate. But with Garnett staring at the math of a third straight non-playoff season, one small hint that he might want out -- and like an ambulance-chasing lawyer -- Thomas will be at his doorstep. -- Bergen Record

# Garnett is on the Knicks' radar but it is unlikely that he will be traded. Thomas would also have interest in Indiana's Jermaine O'Neal, who has talked openly about being traded. Seattle's Ray Allen is another possibility, along with free agents Gerald Wallace, Rashard Lewis and Vince Carter.

Thomas probably would be open to trading everyone with the exception of Eddy Curry. Stephon Marbury's value may never be higher but his contract still scares most potential suitors. -- New York Daily News
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4/6/2007  1:50 PM
Nice, more starphucking.

Garnett is still an elite player but for how much longer? Giving up Lee, more draft picks and whatever else it would take to get KG wouldn't make the Knicks a championship team. They would be a 50 win, 2nd rd and out team with absolutely no future as we watch KG and Marbury decline but still wasting whatever assets they have left pretending that they can win it all.

I love KG but that would be the ultimate starphuck at this point. So basically you know you can expect Isiah to push for it. He's one stupid muthafocker.
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4/6/2007  1:53 PM
one thing about KG - if we trade for him, logic would dictate he becomes the #1 option, no? and if that's the case, what happens to eddy, who basically doesn't do too much if he's not getting the ball all the time?
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4/6/2007  2:01 PM
C - Curry
PF - KG
SF - Balkman
SG - MLE (Stevenson or Pietrus)
PG - Marbury

would u really be upset at seeing a team like that? i wouldn't... would much rather trade Curry rather than D Lee in the KG trade if he's going to go that route though... actually, i'd much rather Isiah traded Marbury to MIN & built around the young guys on the team, but i don't think that's going to happen.
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4/6/2007  2:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

one thing about KG - if we trade for him, logic would dictate he becomes the #1 option, no? and if that's the case, what happens to eddy, who basically doesn't do too much if he's not getting the ball all the time?

running the O thru KG isn't a bad thing since he is just as happy racking up assists as he is scoring. Ed would still get hi touches and points.

however NY still would need a guy capable of consistently finishing off games since neither he Steph or Ed are capable

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-04-2007 2:04 PM]
the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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4/6/2007  2:07 PM
Posted by TMS:

C - Curry
PF - KG
SF - Balkman
SG - MLE (Stevenson or Pietrus)
PG - Marbury

would u really be upset at seeing a team like that? i wouldn't... would much rather trade Curry rather than D Lee in the KG trade if he's going to go that route though... actually, i'd much rather Isiah traded Marbury to MIN & built around the young guys on the team, but i don't think that's going to happen.

Yeah because the pieces don't fit and aren't complementary. Curry would just be taking up space.
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4/6/2007  2:10 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by djsunyc:

one thing about KG - if we trade for him, logic would dictate he becomes the #1 option, no? and if that's the case, what happens to eddy, who basically doesn't do too much if he's not getting the ball all the time?

running the O thru KG isn't a bad thing since he is just as happy racking up assists as he is scoring. Ed would still get hi touches and points.

however NY still would need a guy capable of consistently finishing off games since neither he Steph or Ed are capable

[Edited by - McK1 on 06-04-2007 2:04 PM]

finishing off games? I think KG would fit that bill.
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4/6/2007  2:12 PM
I wouldn't over pay for KG- if some other team gives up more, great. But if we trade for KG, we're basically giving them two things- talent, because if KG opts out, they get nothing- and cap room.

I'm not sure how the numbers could line up without sending them Francis- I'd love to send them Curry- McHale might be dumb enough.
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4/6/2007  2:14 PM
A big no starphucking thanks to Mr. Garnett. Marbury maybe the hateable loser but Garnett is the loveable loser. He made it to the Western Conference once in his 13 year career and he was suppose to be the guy. What makes me think that T-Wolves East II, Grumpier Older Men will be any good. No thanks, please just draft Morris Almond, Thaddeous Young, or any SG/SF with an upside. Continue to develop young talent, get Curry and James into decent shape, get rid of the people who don't want to be here and move on to next season.
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4/6/2007  2:16 PM
ok, we may need a quick reality check. if we're never going to get under the cap, and we have 2 of our own unprotected high picks already traded away, (as well as two 2nd rounders), then we are never going to really find the franchise stud that's required to legitimately win.

so if you can get kg for frye + lee + whatever else, then you make the deal without thinking twice. it's a much better plan than the one we have now. doesn't guarantee anything, but it's actually a semblance of a plan.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 04-06-2007 2:17 PM]
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Posted by islesfan:

Nice, more starphucking.

Garnett is still an elite player but for how much longer? Giving up Lee, more draft picks and whatever else it would take to get KG wouldn't make the Knicks a championship team. They would be a 50 win, 2nd rd and out team with absolutely no future as we watch KG and Marbury decline but still wasting whatever assets they have left pretending that they can win it all.

I love KG but that would be the ultimate starphuck at this point. So basically you know you can expect Isiah to push for it. He's one stupid muthafocker.

Except for one thing. BOTH KG's and Steph's contracts expire the same year 2009 immediately striking massive amounts off our cap. So that's two years of old stars, letting the young guys learn, and then going after one of the primo free agents in 2009.
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4/6/2007  2:21 PM
As TMS said- Id rather ship Marbury to Minny (they may bite inorder to please KG) for draft picks and expirings. But moving Marbury on Isiahs watch is highly unlikely.

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Posted by efw:
Posted by islesfan:

Nice, more starphucking.

Garnett is still an elite player but for how much longer? Giving up Lee, more draft picks and whatever else it would take to get KG wouldn't make the Knicks a championship team. They would be a 50 win, 2nd rd and out team with absolutely no future as we watch KG and Marbury decline but still wasting whatever assets they have left pretending that they can win it all.

I love KG but that would be the ultimate starphuck at this point. So basically you know you can expect Isiah to push for it. He's one stupid muthafocker.

Except for one thing. BOTH KG's and Steph's contracts expire the same year 2009 immediately striking massive amounts off our cap. So that's two years of old stars, letting the young guys learn, and then going after one of the primo free agents in 2009.

not necessarily true. jamal + eddy + quentin + jerome + jeffries + MLE signings we'll have to make to try to win with KG + any more expiring year deals and the chances of us getting under the cap before 2011 are slim (but it's slim now also). but 2009? no way jose.
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4/6/2007  2:25 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:

C - Curry
PF - KG
SF - Balkman
SG - MLE (Stevenson or Pietrus)
PG - Marbury

would u really be upset at seeing a team like that? i wouldn't... would much rather trade Curry rather than D Lee in the KG trade if he's going to go that route though... actually, i'd much rather Isiah traded Marbury to MIN & built around the young guys on the team, but i don't think that's going to happen.

Yeah because the pieces don't fit and aren't complementary. Curry would just be taking up space.

Curry's the only mismatching part... the other pieces can play well in an uptempo style or a slow it down pick & roll system... if Curry loses some weight in the offseason & develops some semblence of a jumpshot (haha) then he wouldn't be as much of a clog in the middle... & if he is, then he still will have trade value that you could get someone for him in a trade if they should decide to do it... if Isiah's going to keep Marbury here, then he needs to make a move to get a superstar to play with him... otherwise, get him the hell outta here.
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4/6/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by TMS:

C - Curry
PF - KG
SF - Balkman
SG - MLE (Stevenson or Pietrus)
PG - Marbury

would u really be upset at seeing a team like that? i wouldn't... would much rather trade Curry rather than D Lee in the KG trade if he's going to go that route though... actually, i'd much rather Isiah traded Marbury to MIN & built around the young guys on the team, but i don't think that's going to happen.


I love how people think this team can trade for K.G. or J.O. and give up nothing for them.


Here's how a trade would look for K.G.


Lee, Balkman, Frye, Francis 4 K.G. and Hassell or Mike James


Here's how a trade would look for J.O.


Lee, Frye, Crawford, Malik, and pick 4 J.O. and Ike



Like Isles said at this point it's not worth it to go after these guys because you best believe these teams will get close to maximum return on these players. They are bigs not smalls and both double double Top 25 players. The problem is they will be on a decline and the future will be sacrificed heavily, not to mention the Cap would be F'D up still. Keep in mind K.G., Steph, and Curry will need contract extension in 2yrs, so if the bottom falls out how do you rebuild considering a first rounder is still owed to Utah and the team won't be a lottery team during this stretch. It would be kind of like the T-Wolves of 03/04 with Sam, Sprewell, and K.G. No thanks to that crap.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-06-2007 1:29 PM]
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4/6/2007  2:27 PM
Look at the Miami Heat... if you add the right player, you can turn a mid-level playoff team into a true contender. Miami gave up a lot to get Shaq (basically, Caron Butler & Odom)... but it resulted in a championship.

The Knicks are arguably better at every position (except the one Garnett plays) compared to the Wolves. So... by that logic, Garnett's addition to the Knicks could help catapult us to the next level.

I'd love to have him. Agewise, it's a far cry from when the Lakers signed Karl Malone and he struggled. He was already 40. (he still had a 20ppg age 39!)

Garnett still has a lot of miles left at 30, even taking into account his early start to his career. He just needs some other players to share the wealth.
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