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Elite
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4/4/2007  2:09 PM
I've been here for a long long time, and I would like to concider myself a REALIST. Im not a lover not a hater or watever you guys want to label.

This team has played hard 85-90% of the time this year, they have battled thru injuries, and have improved as the year has gone on. What more do you want? Sure they are frustrating at times but the roster is what it is. Accept it, and be happy at the effort these guys are giving us. We're STILL IN playoff contention and i see a lot of people jumping ship. NOW IS NOT THE TIME.

This is where it counts most, and the Knicks need our support - believe it or not. They have busted their asses a lot this year, its time they get some appreciation and some slack. We are missing 3 of our top 5 players. We are STILL IN IT

So lay off, get the pipe out of your collective *******s, go get a hug from somebody and lets get some positivity flowing around here. Godamn people, lighten up!!!!

GO KNICKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4/4/2007  2:25 PM
hold me!!!!!
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4/4/2007  2:27 PM
Why accept it? Shouldn't we expect better, especially considering the resources wasted?

Why would anybody be happy with the effort given if it's only been at 85-90% all season (and that's being extremely generous).

They're only "STILL IN IT" because the conference is so unbelievably bad this year. Teams that are 11 games under .500 are usually completely out of it at this point of the season. Stop pretending that they're still in it because their record would be good enough to be in playoff contention in any year.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/4/2007  2:42 PM
After the Top teams in the league, there's a LOT of parity, which is why there are so many poor records in the playoff hunt. No one is significantly better than the other. Thus for THIS year, we're still in the race. Judging by how well we play against just about any top team, I wouldn't say that we're a awful team, just one that hasn't quite got it all together yet. You see bad teams get blown out more often against the better teams.

I think Elite is right about the negativity. We came into this year looking to establish a culture and an identity. I think Isiah has done alright in getting the attitudes to change around here. Like he said, we're not a team that is an easy win for anyone. Most of our games are hard fought and teams have to really play hard for 48 to beat us. That's quite a few steps up from last year. That Dallas game showed me that this team has heart and does want to win. Then they go to OT the next night when they could have easily just gave up.

I think some of you are wrong about this team and haven't given them any credit this year. When everyone thought they'd fail due to the suspensions, this team fought hard. SO i'd like to know just what is it that you guys have a problem with!!! This wasn't a great team to begin with, so I don't understand what your expectations were.
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4/4/2007  2:46 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Why accept it? Shouldn't we expect better, especially considering the resources wasted?

Why would anybody be happy with the effort given if it's only been at 85-90% all season (and that's being extremely generous).

They're only "STILL IN IT" because the conference is so unbelievably bad this year. Teams that are 11 games under .500 are usually completely out of it at this point of the season. Stop pretending that they're still in it because their record would be good enough to be in playoff contention in any year.

This team obviously really gets to you. And i was like that too last year and early this year, but you have to let it go man. If you continue to point out all the negative things and focus on them not only in the knicks but in anything it will be extreemly frustrating. If you focus on something, it gets bigger and more powerful - so start focusing on the GOOD parts of the Knicks. Let me give you an example.

The Knicks are playing terrible at the garden.. Everyone starts to Booooooo. Peoples spirits are down. Blow out. What if those BOOOOOS were not boos.. but they were an inspired chant of LETS GO KNICKS deafning to the garden crowd. do you not think they would become inspired?

If you can learn to detatch your self when the Knicks loose, and appreciate when they win.. Not only will you be a happier person.. BUT THE KNICKS WILL WIN MORE.. Trust me.
djsunyc
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4/4/2007  2:47 PM
does it really matter if someone is negative or not? i think posters take what other posters say WAAAAAY too seriously.

if someone doesn't like the situation - who cares?
if someone loves the team - who cares?

all i know is, i wish more posters would have the same outlook of life as this guy:
Elite
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4/4/2007  2:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

does it really matter if someone is negative or not? i think posters take what other posters say WAAAAAY too seriously.

if someone doesn't like the situation - who cares?
if someone loves the team - who cares?

all i know is, i wish more posters would have the same outlook of life as this guy:


You make a good point in that it should not effect me if someone else is negative. But I just used to really enjoy coming here and reading the posts now its like all i see is people bitching and whining and its like damn.. Its just not a fun place to hang anymore



maybe its cuz my outlook changed, but its all good. Enjoy
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4/4/2007  2:54 PM
I for one don't mind speaking up when I read something that I think is a misrepresentation of the Knicks. All the loosing has gotten to many of us. You can sense the bitterness and the anger at the situation. I think it's clouded their ability to see the positives in what's going on with the team. To be sure we have a long way to go, but there have been some positive developments with this team. There's no reason to be so negative and nasty about this team. I expect that there's gonna be criticism, but it's out of proportion to me. So I like to bring balance to that point of view.
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4/4/2007  2:59 PM
I notice a trend that the optimists feel that this site has been taken over by pessimists, so they leave. This only makes the site more pessimistic. It's unfortunate if they decide to leave rather than staying and making the case for optimism.

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djsunyc
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4/4/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I for one don't mind speaking up when I read something that I think is a misrepresentation of the Knicks. All the loosing has gotten to many of us. You can sense the bitterness and the anger at the situation. I think it's clouded their ability to see the positives in what's going on with the team. To be sure we have a long way to go, but there have been some positive developments with this team. There's no reason to be so negative and nasty about this team. I expect that there's gonna be criticism, but it's out of proportion to me. So I like to bring balance to that point of view.

i think the outlook of this team boils down to this, it's in eddy's hands more than anybody else's. we can sit here and talk about all the other guys but it really comes down to eddy. he was OUR high lotto draft pick that we are building this team around. everything else, in the grand scheme of things, is secondary.

and alot of fans, myself included, are not comfortable with that b/c if eddy is the centerpiece, then you need a very very smart GM to build a long term winning team with that in mind.
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4/4/2007  3:00 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I for one don't mind speaking up when I read something that I think is a misrepresentation of the Knicks. All the loosing has gotten to many of us. You can sense the bitterness and the anger at the situation. I think it's clouded their ability to see the positives in what's going on with the team. To be sure we have a long way to go, but there have been some positive developments with this team. There's no reason to be so negative and nasty about this team. I expect that there's gonna be criticism, but it's out of proportion to me. So I like to bring balance to that point of view.

Seriously, how much is Isiah paying you?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
islesfan
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4/4/2007  3:02 PM
Let's get one thing straight, fans are negative based on what Dolan and Isiah have done to this franchise, they aren't being negative just for the hell of it.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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4/4/2007  3:38 PM
Adam (Queens, NY): David, Forgetting about everything from the Eddy Curry trade but Tyrus Thomas...who would you rather have on your team 3 years from now if Tyrus Thomas develops to his fullest potential (he's shown us plenty of glimpses of it recently)...Eddy Curry or Tyrus Thomas?

David Thorpe: With Curry not getting better, I'd say TT. But if Curry got into great shape and reached his potential, he'd have a slight edge.

I am negative, there is no question about it, but its for a reason, although the above isn't really a be all end all its just something you need to keep in mind. Eddy won't commite his body, TT is going to average a double double and protect the rim. We are not in a great position to improve and sacrificed two picks for eddy god knows who the other is, there is a good chance that the knicks win only a couple more games this season. Lets say a guy like hibbert, green, and connely is there to draft for the bulls aren't you upset at that. Aren't you made that our midlevels are worthless and have to deal with steve francis, being a realist about a situation that has been patient and looked for progress in the last seven years and sees a team that may win 40 games next year really doesn't excite me. We are in an improving conference and our rivals are getting better, have cap room, or lottery selections
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4/4/2007  3:42 PM
Who freaking cares what I think? If I'm negative and you don't like it then don't read the posts, this forum isn't for your own personal playground, this forum is for all Knick fans to come and vent their frustrations or to drink kool-aid with other people who feel the same way. Why does it matter if people are negative or not? I really don't get it.
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4/4/2007  3:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I for one don't mind speaking up when I read something that I think is a misrepresentation of the Knicks. All the loosing has gotten to many of us. You can sense the bitterness and the anger at the situation. I think it's clouded their ability to see the positives in what's going on with the team. To be sure we have a long way to go, but there have been some positive developments with this team. There's no reason to be so negative and nasty about this team. I expect that there's gonna be criticism, but it's out of proportion to me. So I like to bring balance to that point of view.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
nixluva
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4/4/2007  3:51 PM
No one is saying that you can't have your opinion, but it seems to me that some of us are taking their comments too far in regards to painting this situation as dark and hopeless. I've seen some pretty hopeful things out of this team. Lee is one off my favorite players and then you can add Balkman and Collins as guys who do the kinds of things this team has long needed. In terms of Frye and Jared, i'd remind you that Q had an off year last year, but came in this year playing much better. I think we have some things to be really positive about with this team. I'm happy about picking up Morris. We'll see who else Isiah gets this summer.

I agree that it is a tenuous situation having Curry as the centerpiece of the team going forward, but I DO believe that Isiah will be able to add the needed help to make this all work.

No one likes the bad moves, but we can't then try to throw dirt on the good moves like some have been doing.
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4/4/2007  3:53 PM
Admit it guys, there are a couple of reasons to be optimistic:

1) Dolan will continue as owner of the Knicks for years to come
2) Isiah will continue as GM and coach of the Knicks for years to come

So don't hang your heads. Sing! Dance for joy!
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4/4/2007  3:58 PM
Posted by nixluva:

No one is saying that you can't have your opinion, but it seems to me that some of us are taking their comments too far in regards to painting this situation as dark and hopeless. I've seen some pretty hopeful things out of this team. Lee is one off my favorite players and then you can add Balkman and Collins as guys who do the kinds of things this team has long needed. In terms of Frye and Jared, i'd remind you that Q had an off year last year, but came in this year playing much better. I think we have some things to be really positive about with this team. I'm happy about picking up Morris. We'll see who else Isiah gets this summer.

I agree that it is a tenuous situation having Curry as the centerpiece of the team going forward, but I DO believe that Isiah will be able to add the needed help to make this all work.

No one likes the bad moves, but we can't then try to throw dirt on the good moves like some have been doing.

Optimist vs. Pessimist. You're not going to change minds and you never will. People are wired differently and the pessimists are actually going to need to see something before they believe the way you believe, Nix. The same goes for you not seeing anything negative. I mean one day, the Knicks will be good again and I'm sure you're going to say "I told you so" no matter what, even if the team becomes successful one day and totally deviates from the plan that you think they will become successful by. So in the end, it really doesn't matter.

I will continue to root for the team to win every game, I will continue to hope and pray that this team gets a real plan together and thats it. Until I see some real rebuilding plan, I'm not going to lie to myself and say this team is on its way, because they aren't.
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4/4/2007  4:05 PM
Negativity and possitivity is a reflection of the record. I'm not sure why some people on the site have such a hard time understanding this.
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4/4/2007  4:10 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Negativity and possitivity is a reflection of the record. I'm not sure why some people on the site have such a hard time understanding this.

hey bip - that's on point. i'm sure if we were 42-31 right now instead of the other way around (i.e.: reality), this site would be HOPPING with positivity..... being at the garden for every game, i can tell you one thing, yeah, we may boo when the team is sucking it up, but there is no more positive place to be when the team is playing well. the hoopin and hollerin is unmatched anywhere. so, i believe UK would be the same way....if only we had a team we could be positive about. right?
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