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MS
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4/2/2007  9:43 AM
Have you noticed that the knicks don't get blown out when crawford is out of the lineup, or that there really isn't that big of a difference. Everyone is shocked we have been able to compete and stay in games. The biggest reason is your taking huge liabilities out of the game while bringing intelligent players in. Obviously losing Lee is killing this team as is Richardson.

Collins > Crawford and Francis
-Isiah Thomas gets credit for a good draft, but he falls very short in his talent evaluations in trades, its downright disgraceful and criminal everything isiah has done outside of his late draft selections

Mardy has balls something many knicks don't and its a pleasure to watch someone that knows his abilities and doesn't try to do more than he can, his defensive instincts are terrific and he is a jump shot away from being a very good player

Balkman> Frye and Jefferies
Jefferies isn't going anywhere, but its time to admit Frye is useless he can't do anything and moves like a robot out there, he is weak and if we can get something for him we have to. But if Isiah would realize that jefferies only guards one position well the pf he can be useful off the bench.

Balkman is very sprewell like and one of the main reason to watch this team, he just has toughness that is very old knicks, this guy has star written all over him if he gets a jump shot.

Fracis: How isiah can still have a job after taking one of the worst guards in the league on for 3 seasons is beyond me, he doesn't ever play defense, and needs the ball for 15 seconds to score the guy is awful

And Nate i don't care what anyone says he is such a child, i like his outside shot, but the guy thinks who the **** he is, and we don't need players like that on our team. If the knicks are happy with their team fine. Their are some good pieces to mold, but they need a ton of work

Offseason plan

Lee, Balkman, Collins, Jefferies (lock them all in a room till they can knock down a 15 foot jumper, its not that hard)

Curry, James (Actually get them in shape, both can be effective on defense especially James they each need to drop 20 pounds)

Trade Crawford, Nate, Frye, and our pick for Lewis if thats not possible, sign Pietrus or Stevenson or try to move a similiar package to the Warriors for Richardson

IF we can make one could trade and really commit to the plans above I think there is no reason this team can't start to make some noise
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4/2/2007  11:34 AM
Crawford is going NO where so we can put that to rest. I really believe Nate is retarded. You can tell Frye wants to get the **** outta here. But I dont see Isiah trading them.
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4/2/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Crawford is going NO where so we can put that to rest. I really believe Nate is retarded. You can tell Frye wants to get the **** outta here. But I dont see Isiah trading them.

that's part of the problem. this team seems married to a few players which doesn't make any sense. no player on this team should have that status.

what's going to happen in 3 summers when BOTH crawford AND eddy will opt out and practically demand 6 year deals (MAX in eddy's case, and $50+ mil in jamal's case)? is that really where we want to be in 3 summers?
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4/2/2007  11:44 AM
So now we're worried about 3 years from now? How about we stick with the near future? At some point you have to keep a group of guys together in a system and allow them to mature in it. It's not like we don't have talented players. We do, but it's the mental part of the game that they have to develop. Frye can play in this league and his issues appear to be mental. isiah also needs more time to develop how he can best use the players he has. Frye being one of the guys he's not done a great job with yet.

This is all reasonable to understand. It's not easy to hit a bullseye every time. Isiah has had some success this year and he's failed in developing other players. That doesn't mean he won't eventually get more out of them. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying that he shouldn't look to move players in an effort to improve the team. Obviously if he can do that then he should, but if no deal presents itself, he has to keep working to get the most out of the players he has. That process has only just begun. This is only the 1st yr he's had to work directly with the players and i'm sure he'd admit that he made some mistakes along the way too.
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4/2/2007  12:52 PM
HE has developed Curry from 6 feet in, Lee developed himself his points are hustle and smarts two things isiah doesn't usually but a premium on, Nate, Frye, Crawford have all been misused as has balkman and jefferies.

He has done little to really develop the players, just because they get blow out early and make a comeback late doesn't mean isiah has really helped this team. Isiah has befriended his players which is a very dangerous thing.

The Knicks will never be a good team as long as isiah is involved with this organization because he is going to have two players crawford and curry starting that are high turnover prone, don't possesss a brain and are selfish, defensive jokes....

I really think Seattle might take a package of Nate, Frye, Crawford, and our pick for lewis who would be perfect for this team. Eddy needs to be limited to 30 minutes a night and go hard the entire time, we don't need him out there dogging it late in games
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4/2/2007  2:37 PM
I can't believe your hate Crawford is telling you to say "noticed that the knicks don't get blown out when crawford is out of the lineup, or that there really isn't that big of a difference"...........LOL.


I can't believe your hate for that man goes that deep. SMH Twice.
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4/2/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Crawford is going NO where so we can put that to rest. I really believe Nate is retarded. You can tell Frye wants to get the **** outta here. But I dont see Isiah trading them.

that's part of the problem. this team seems married to a few players which doesn't make any sense. no player on this team should have that status.

what's going to happen in 3 summers when BOTH crawford AND eddy will opt out and practically demand 6 year deals (MAX in eddy's case, and $50+ mil in jamal's case)? is that really where we want to be in 3 summers?

LOL, isn't that a good thing. Players playing better opt out of deals..........
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4/2/2007  3:07 PM
I cannot see any hate in MS post.
NBA is a business not a rehub club
Organization must leave personal love\hate outside the door.
If player is not feet in the sytem... sorry... By. Even if he is blood brother.
Same apply if the right deal is coming - than GM should sell his own mother to improve the team
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4/2/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by MS:

HE has developed Curry from 6 feet in, Lee developed himself his points are hustle and smarts two things isiah doesn't usually but a premium on, Nate, Frye, Crawford have all been misused as has balkman and jefferies.

He has done little to really develop the players, just because they get blow out early and make a comeback late doesn't mean isiah has really helped this team. Isiah has befriended his players which is a very dangerous thing.

The Knicks will never be a good team as long as isiah is involved with this organization because he is going to have two players crawford and curry starting that are high turnover prone, don't possesss a brain and are selfish, defensive jokes....

I really think Seattle might take a package of Nate, Frye, Crawford, and our pick for lewis who would be perfect for this team. Eddy needs to be limited to 30 minutes a night and go hard the entire time, we don't need him out there dogging it late in games

I think you are off on Isiah not putting a premium on Hustle players. In the last 2 drafts he drafted Lee, Balkman, and Collins. He also signed Jared Jeffries. The draft before that Ariza. He recently signed Morris.

I don't agree with every move Isiah has made as a GM or coach, but I like the players he brings in more often than not.



Isiah needs to bring in a shooting guard, and get rid of the "dribbling-guards" that like to shoot a lot and disrupt the flow: Francis and Crawford for sure, and maybe Nate. He might have to get rid of or bury Jeffries.

I know we argued about Kevin Martin, but I would like to see him here if we can get him, I think he is a good release man: Efficient, a real shooter, and a small go from what I can see. But we just can't throw too much money at him, because if he doesn't become a star commensurate with his $$, he gets burned in UK effigy on a daily basis and he might become another player broken by NYC.

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4/2/2007  3:14 PM
So you are saying you have noticed the knicks not getting blown out and even when they lose they are in it.......... How the hell is that not prue hate for JC???? What are we over our last 10??? 2-8, 1-9??? That is the defintion of hate.
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4/2/2007  3:16 PM
Also Matt Carrol could be a nice fill-in at SG. He's big, he is a great shooter and he plays D and rebounds. Nothing Flashy, but he plays like a real shooting guard.

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4/2/2007  3:30 PM
No its actually the definition of knowing what your talking about. We are missing David Lee who delievers wins, rbs, smarts, and hustle plays and gets other involved, although his defense isn't great partly becayse isiah has him guarding sf its no where near as bad as players like crawford and francis.......

Jamal shoots 40%, for 40 games a year he is going to play good basketball, the other 40 he is going to shoot 3-15, 4-12, 5-20 while turning the ball over and not stopping anyone on defense. People see him make a couple of nice dump offs to curry or score in bunches and make a game winner and they forget that we need those shots because he has been off the entire game. So if Isiah knew who to make a trade or a free agent signing we wouldn't be in this prediciment.

IF you have a know what your talking about tell me why a guard that is 6'5 with lighting quick speed and a great handle that can get by anyone shoots it at 40%. He is a guard that doesn't improve his shoot selection, or defense. You want a player like that as a focal point enjoy losing....

Isiah has come up with genius lineups all season, Frye guarding howard, dlee guarding gerald wallace, curry on barnangi, etc he puts players in defensive mismatches. We have length size and athletes no reason we should be the worst defensive team in the league
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4/2/2007  3:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

Crawford is going NO where so we can put that to rest. I really believe Nate is retarded. You can tell Frye wants to get the **** outta here. But I dont see Isiah trading them.

that's part of the problem. this team seems married to a few players which doesn't make any sense. no player on this team should have that status.

what's going to happen in 3 summers when BOTH crawford AND eddy will opt out and practically demand 6 year deals (MAX in eddy's case, and $50+ mil in jamal's case)? is that really where we want to be in 3 summers?


I think you're right in that it has been the problem but Grunwald said 2weeks ago going into this off-season no player is untradable and that they will be looking at a point gaurd according to your personal conversation with him. Something has to give wouldn't you say?
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4/2/2007  3:57 PM
Have you noticed that the knicks don't get blown out when crawford is out of the lineup, or that there really isn't that big of a difference. Obviously losing Lee is killing this team as is Richardson.

I love you MS but this is one of the most biased paragraphs I have read in a long time. We get it, you hate Crawford. We got it months ago.
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4/2/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by oohah:

Also Matt Carrol could be a nice fill-in at SG. He's big, he is a great shooter and he plays D and rebounds. Nothing Flashy, but he plays like a real shooting guard.

oohah

Love that choice bro, let's hope that q comes back with a bang
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4/2/2007  4:08 PM
i think he's been bored cuz Jamal hasn't given him any reasons to rag on him being on the IR & all... but he always manages to get back to it regardless... gotta give him credit for that.
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4/2/2007  4:09 PM
Jamal is not going anywhere. I don't even know why he is in the same category as the other players on that list.
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4/2/2007  4:22 PM
Posted by MS:

No its actually the definition of knowing what your talking about. We are missing David Lee who delievers wins, rbs, smarts, and hustle plays and gets other involved, although his defense isn't great partly becayse isiah has him guarding sf its no where near as bad as players like crawford and francis.......

Jamal shoots 40%, for 40 games a year he is going to play good basketball, the other 40 he is going to shoot 3-15, 4-12, 5-20 while turning the ball over and not stopping anyone on defense. People see him make a couple of nice dump offs to curry or score in bunches and make a game winner and they forget that we need those shots because he has been off the entire game. So if Isiah knew who to make a trade or a free agent signing we wouldn't be in this prediciment.

IF you have a know what your talking about tell me why a guard that is 6'5 with lighting quick speed and a great handle that can get by anyone shoots it at 40%. He is a guard that doesn't improve his shoot selection, or defense. You want a player like that as a focal point enjoy losing....

Isiah has come up with genius lineups all season, Frye guarding howard, dlee guarding gerald wallace, curry on barnangi, etc he puts players in defensive mismatches. We have length size and athletes no reason we should be the worst defensive team in the league

First of all youu are all over the place, because you hate JC. YOu can't shoot 40 percent in half your games and below your Average for the other half and still have 40 percent be your median. That is mathematically impossblie, Blackhole science or what I like to call.......BLINDED BY HATE.

And it's not like Im even arguing on upgrading JC, but let's talk about some Allstars, VC type players. Im going call it like I see it when a pure hater comes up Collins>>>JC, Period. I like collins, as my back up...... which I guess is better then everybody wanting to send him to D-league, ofcoures I guess I got to "check the post"......... because you would never exaggerate like that.

Matt Carrol another backup that people like to bring up. I'm sorry but unless I see Carrol getting his own shot, center of the offense, running the offense for as the point for half the game and chasing around the others teams smallest player.............. Im going to have to pass on him. Who is going to pass this guy the ball off those screens???? Marbury can't hit the biggest man on the court with his man on his back in a postion to score , but he is going to learn to make cross court passes to a shooting guard being chased???? Yeah, that's going to work.
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4/2/2007  4:44 PM
the problem with Crawford is he shouldn't be a starter- but he is on our team- why? Because we have no one better than him to start.
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4/2/2007  4:45 PM
I am not blinded by hate, I just see a big difference in defense. We are giving up only 91.6 since crawford went down. While we used to give up 100pts, whether that has something to do with Lee not being in there i doubt it, but we obviously need another scoring option. Isiah jumped the gun as usual and give the kid a 7year deal where he is making 10.5 in the last year of his deal. He also took on jerome williams deal and signed vin baker for the privledge of brinign the kid in.....

Let me break it down for you:

Mem 4-22 18%
Atl 1-8 12%
Ind 2-9 22%
SAS 3-8 38% 3tos
Hou 7-20 35%
Was 1-6 17% 3tos
Bos 1-6 17%
Tor 4-13 30%
Mem 0-8 0% 3tos
Was 4-14 28%
Bos 5-17 29% 3tos
At 3-10 30% 4tos
Den 1-9 11%
Uth 6-26 23% 4tos
Phi 9-23 39% 5tos
Lac 2-8 25% 5tos
Sea 8-26 30% 5tos
Phi 4-12 33% 3tos
Cha 4-13 30% 3tos
Sac 3-11 27% 3tos
NjN 3-10 30%
Mil 9-24 37% 4tos
Lal 5-15 33% 4tos
Orl 1-4 25%
Gsw 3-10 30% 3tos
PHi 3-12 25% 5tos
Mil 5-15 33% 4tos
NJN 4-15 26%

Just for the record since i am blinded by hate thats 28 games when he was horrendous and thats not taking into account his defense.

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