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BRIGGS
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3/26/2007  11:29 PM
Yes he is awesome at dunking rebounding blocking shots--but this guy has no skill level. he doesnt know what to do with the ball in the post--he cant pass--terrible ball and foot work. I was thiking physically he reminds me of something of a cross between a young Shawn Kemp and Mcdyess. But Mcdyess skills are so much better --these guys rush to get out of school--rely on their athletic ability--and end up under-skilled and injured from pounding on their knees back and ankles.
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3/26/2007  11:31 PM
I'd take a whole team full of guys as unskilled but talented as Dwight Howard.
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3/26/2007  11:35 PM
I think Briggs makes a lot of valid points, but he's an old school protector of the middle and he plays like he cares. That counts for a lot elsewhere in the league.
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3/26/2007  11:41 PM
Sure he needs polish, but for someone just getting by just on raw ability he had a pretty decent line tonight.

And McDyess evolved into his skill set. He was a just a high flyer earlier in his career. Considering what a quality kid Howard is, I have little doubt he'll continue to evolve.

BRIGGS, you do realize you compared Howard to a young Kemp and McDyess? Htat doesn't count for anything?
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3/26/2007  11:43 PM
Not trying to be a smartalec but Briggs don't you love Amare Stoudamire? His game is heavily reliant on athleticism and he does alot of dunking and shotblocking. Yes Amares SKILLS are better than Howards, but by not much.
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3/26/2007  11:43 PM
howard would be a sophomore in college right now, right? i mean, how much skill do you expect?

plus he's statistically the league's greatest young rebounder. thast gotta count for something
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3/26/2007  11:48 PM
he knows how to set a pick and get open looks for his guards- that counts for something.
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3/26/2007  11:50 PM
i don't know why isiah double teamed him all night b/c they kept getting burned. let dwight prove he can score first, then double team.
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3/26/2007  11:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't know why isiah double teamed him all night b/c they kept getting burned. let dwight prove he can score first, then double team.


Isiah has said that his defensive philosophy is to protect the paint and if they burn you with three's you live with it. Or die by it, as the case has been more often than not.

We see it over and over and it's not about to change.

Now if we had Howard in the middle instead of Curry/Frye/Lee that approach would probably change. But his job is, first and foremost, to make Eddy an all-star, and that means to hide his flaws by any means necessary.

And it's working too, right? Nobody even notices Eddy's defensive and rebounding deficiencies.
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Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't know why isiah double teamed him all night b/c they kept getting burned. let dwight prove he can score first, then double team.


Isiah has said that his defensive philosophy is to protect the paint and if they burn you with three's you live with it. Or die by it, as the case has been more often than not.

We see it over and over and it's not about to change.

Now if we had Howard in the middle instead of Curry/Frye/Lee that approach would probably change. But his job is, first and foremost, to make Eddy an all-star, and that means to hide his flaws by any means necessary.

And it's working too, right? Nobody even notices Eddy's defensive and rebounding deficiencies.

Look, I just had a couple more egg rolls. And I know exactly how Eddy feels every time he steps on the court. Eddy is an all-star no matter what anyone says.
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3/27/2007  12:15 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Not trying to be a smartalec but Briggs don't you love Amare Stoudamire? His game is heavily reliant on athleticism and he does alot of dunking and shotblocking. Yes Amares SKILLS are better than Howards, but by not much.

NO way--Amare can handle the rock 1000 times better and he can face up--he shows his skill level post serious serious injury. the guy was on the threshold of being the best player in the NBA before he got hurt, if he wasnt already.
Not putting down Howard wish we had him:) but his skill level should be much better--- he probably is the number 1 physical specimen in the NBA right now.
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3/27/2007  12:16 AM
His passing from his moves needs improvement but from the double team he's very good and a quick thinker. Jameer, J.J., and Hedo had wide open looks tonight because of his passing out of the post which lead directly to open shots or from a continual passing of the ball around the perimeter lead to open shots. As someone else mentioned he sets brutal picks in the halfcourt. He wasn't slow and dumb with his passing from the double team. He plays good man defense against good post scorers and is an excellent weakside defender.


This is his 3rd yr in the league and he's already been a Top 3 rebounder 2yrs and a Top 10 rebounder all 3yrs. He's averaged double digit rebounding all 3yrs. In his 3rd yr he's 18pts/12reb which blows EY's 3rd yr out of the water.


I'd trade everyone a part of this current franchise including Spike Lee for very little skill Howard.
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3/27/2007  12:17 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Not trying to be a smartalec but Briggs don't you love Amare Stoudamire? His game is heavily reliant on athleticism and he does alot of dunking and shotblocking. Yes Amares SKILLS are better than Howards, but by not much.

NO way--Amare can handle the rock 1000 times better and he can face up--he shows his skill level post serious serious injury. the guy was on the threshold of being the best player in the NBA before he got hurt, if he wasnt already.
Not putting down Howard wish we had him:) but his skill level should be much better--- he probably is the number 1 physical specimen in the NBA right now.

Fair enough Briggs. I agree, I'll sign up for either one of them
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3/27/2007  12:24 AM
Have you seen the changes Dwight Howard has made to his frame since his rookie season? Hes growing into his body. The guy could be a junior in college right now. He's gonna be a beast in his prime. He has a little jump hook that works okay. He's not averaging 18 a night on just dunks. He's gonna be a superstar

18 and 12 on 60% from the floor.
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3/27/2007  12:38 AM
The Knicks supposedly highly skilled center was outscored and OUTREBOUNDED by the Magic's point guard.

But Curry did manage to outdo Nelson in one category...Turnovers. Despite having the ball in his hands about 1/100 of the time.
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3/27/2007  1:32 AM
I see briggs point and I was wondering the same thing myself. I mean at some point he is going to have to develop and offensive game, but even now without it he is averaging around 17ppg. He protects the paint and is fierce on the boards. so who knows what the future holds for him..

As far as amare goes, he has a nice 15 foot jumper now and he can finish around the basket without dunking the ball. Amare is a hell of a talent!
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3/27/2007  3:51 AM
Id take Dwight Howard over Amare. And I love both players. Howard is 3 years younger then Amare. Stoudemire was old for a rookie coming out of high school, he was 20 years old his rookie year. In 3 years Id expect Dwight howard to be averaging around 23-24 pts and 12-13 rebs nightly. He is continually getting better as the season goes along.

Take a look at his numbers since Feb 1st

25 games- Hes averaging about 20 and 12 and shooting 66% from the floor.

He's also a better shot blocker then Amare. I can't wait to see what Howard can become over the next 3-4 years. And you know hes gonna put in the work to be as good as he can be. Take a look at how his body has transformed over the last 3 seasons. He wants it, and you can tell



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3/27/2007  9:39 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i don't know why isiah double teamed him all night b/c they kept getting burned. let dwight prove he can score first, then double team.

i think it was the same as one reason teams double eddy - it forces turnovers. those guys are probably the most turnover prone bigs in the league. one on one they're hard to contain. put that second defender on them and your other three guys can start stretching their legs for the fast break.
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3/27/2007  9:58 AM
This is not a bashing Dwight Howard thread--I would trade the entire Knick team for him----it's just that he has very little skill and does it all with his physical specimen--thats the only point here. Im sure his skills will mature?
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3/27/2007  10:02 AM
All I know is Eddy Curry sucks, and can't ever score the way howard does, actually getting rebounds and making plays, Dwight is the most turnover prone player at the center position, but he works hard and has the tools to get better. Eddy and is out of shape man boobs were owned again last night when we needed him. He gave up the crucial rebound as usual......

Dwight 10pts 14rvs 5ass 3stls 4blks 3tos

Tits 17pts 4rbs 0ass 0stls 0blks 4 tos 38minutes

Eddy Curry is disgraceful and was outplayed by James last night who didn't enter the game after a strong start
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