[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

PUT THE SEASON IN STARBURY'S HANDS
Author Thread
nykbasketball
Posts: 20413
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/30/2005
Member: #862
USA
3/20/2007  9:25 PM
IMO, I think the Knicks and Isiah Thomas should make an executive decision and just give the ball to marbury all day long. He has been playing excellent basketball and Curry is unreliable. I'm thinking he should take 25-35 shots a game and be extremely aggressive. It would also free up Curry a lot and could do wonders for this team. He IS our best player right now, and it is his team, leave it up to him to decide whether to put the team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs or back off like the Marbury we know.

What do you guys think
What's Defense?
AUTOADVERT
highfivesucka
Posts: 20855
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/8/2007
Member: #1246
USA
3/20/2007  10:00 PM
that's a bad habit to develop, it only makes it worse when your playmaker is also your primary scoring option. the allen iverson effect is the last thing we need even if our season looks bad right now
^precocious neophyte.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
3/20/2007  10:09 PM
We're already playing that way. Steph has a green light. It's just that he now realizes that it's best for the TEAM if he can get everyone playing well. I'm not really panicking due to any of this. We know we have injuries and even fully healthy this team isn't yet ready to go very far. If we're fully healthy I think we'd be a lock for a playoff spot and we might even win a 1st rd series. As it is, we're not healthy and so i'm not getting upset by any of the teams struggles.

We're still right there in this playoff race and we still have a chance to get in, so relax. It's not critical yet.
highfivesucka
Posts: 20855
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/8/2007
Member: #1246
USA
3/20/2007  10:47 PM
yea, I think Stephon is probably in a lose-lose situation. Our doctrine is to play inside-out, but the perimeter and Curry have to synergize, the threat of one opening up opportunities for the other. the problem is that we have guards who can't shoot consistently, except for QRich, and he's not even really a guard (plus he's injured anyway). So now marbury is scoring more 3's, but he has to keep Curry involved, and if Curry doesn't touch the ball for like 5 straight possessions, the next time you feed him he flips up a bad shot or turns it over. so marbury has to somehow keep the defense respecting the perimeter but still keep Curry happy, which can be a tall order because he tends to fall out of rhythm easily
^precocious neophyte.
nixluva
Posts: 56258
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/5/2004
Member: #758
USA
3/20/2007  10:55 PM
What it comes down to is this team NEEDS to have Lee, Jamal and Q to play at it's best. Even with them this stil isn't a top team. We're going to have to continue to look to improve the team this offseason. From within and by adding what we need. I just think this is gonna be a tough one for all of the above reasons.

BUT WE'RE STILL IN IT!!! I'd like to know what NJ's excuse is? Indianna has been retooled by BIrd and I fail to see how what he's done is any better than what Isiah is doing. I think we give Colangelo so much credit in Toronto, but if we're fully healthy i think we're RIGHT BEHIND THEM. They don't appear to me to be leaps and bounds better than the knicks when both teams are at full strength.
highfivesucka
Posts: 20855
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/8/2007
Member: #1246
USA
3/20/2007  11:38 PM
I'm still skeptical about the Raptors. They are built to win regular season games. You can sweep a lot of your deficiencies under the rug in the regular season and get away with playing their style. remember Phoenix the first year they got Nash, when they had 60 wins? They were amazing. Running all day, actually running more than they do now, living and dying on the perimeter and not playing D. then they enter the post season, and all of a sudden teams have 6 more games to lock you down defensively, frustrate your guards, make you grind the shot clock, and discipline themselves to make your shooters dribble the ball. and the suns that year had Steve Nash, Amare Stoudamire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, and Q Rich. the raptors have none of that, but win games similarly in the regular season. they are going to have major problems in the post season, even in the East.
^precocious neophyte.
BlueSeats
Posts: 27272
Alba Posts: 41
Joined: 11/6/2005
Member: #1024

3/20/2007  11:53 PM
Posted by nixluva:

What it comes down to is this team NEEDS to have Lee, Jamal and Q to play at it's best. Even with them this stil isn't a top team. We're going to have to continue to look to improve the team this offseason. From within and by adding what we need. I just think this is gonna be a tough one for all of the above reasons.

BUT WE'RE STILL IN IT!!! I'd like to know what NJ's excuse is? Indianna has been retooled by BIrd and I fail to see how what he's done is any better than what Isiah is doing. I think we give Colangelo so much credit in Toronto, but if we're fully healthy i think we're RIGHT BEHIND THEM. They don't appear to me to be leaps and bounds better than the knicks when both teams are at full strength.



You ask what the other team's excuses are, and I'd have to guess the same as yours: injuries.

By what logic do you expect us to be at peak health next year while expecting NJ to again miss Jefferson and Kristc, and Toronto to miss Bosh?

Not saying you do expect that but it's implied in your logic that if we had full health we'd be better than them. What if they have full health?
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
3/21/2007  1:31 AM
Posted by nykbasketball:

IMO, I think the Knicks and Isiah Thomas should make an executive decision and just give the ball to marbury all day long. He has been playing excellent basketball and Curry is unreliable. I'm thinking he should take 25-35 shots a game and be extremely aggressive. It would also free up Curry a lot and could do wonders for this team. He IS our best player right now, and it is his team, leave it up to him to decide whether to put the team on his shoulders and carry them to the playoffs or back off like the Marbury we know.

What do you guys think


Marbury hasn't been able to get any of his teams anywhere following that formula except for 1st round exits out of the playoffs... why follow a plan that can only lead to failure?
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
3/21/2007  10:09 AM
I'm of the belief that you use this playoff run as a building block for the future. It's more important that our future learns to play in this run than it is for us to actually make the playoffs. Putting the game in Marbs's hands is a mistake in my view. I say put it in Curry's hands so he can begin to understand the responsibility that is needed to carry a team. He is going to have to learn eventually. Seven years in the league is enough coddling. If Curry fails, fine. At least he learns from it. Playoffs this year is shortsited. Putting it all in Marbs' hands is shortsited. Let him keep playing the way he has. He has played very well and has done a good job of determining when to take over and when to dish. We should not change his role at all. Let's teach Curry how to step up and rid ourselves of the apologists mantra of "he's trying"
I just hope that people will like me
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
3/21/2007  10:15 AM
couldn't agree more... i said it going into the season, playoffs is not my expectation or even my main goal this season... i want to see this team come together & improve, i want to see some chemistry starting to develop, & most importantly i want to see our young guys develop & mature... in some ways, i think i've seen it, but we still have a long ways to go... even being in a playoff race at this stage in the season is beneficial to this team, & we can't steer away from the big picture out of desperation.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
BigSm00th
Posts: 24504
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/9/2001
Member: #178
USA
3/21/2007  10:16 AM
best way for young guys to "develop and mature" is putting them under the bright lights of the playoffs.

playoffs or bust baby
#Knickstaps
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
3/21/2007  10:18 AM
playoffs is a must. not making the playoffs will put this franchise in PR limbo until the draft lottery is announced. and if chicago wins the lottery and gets in the top 3, then isiah would look like the biggest fool on the planet.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
3/21/2007  10:34 AM
Well maybe that's one of the lessons that our front office has to learn in order for them to make changes to their methods.
I just hope that people will like me
djsunyc
Posts: 44929
Alba Posts: 42
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #536
3/21/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Well maybe that's one of the lessons that our front office has to learn in order for them to make changes to their methods.

well after a 23 win season in which a HOF coach lost his mind and was fired...something tells me this front office will never learn anything.
SlimPack
Posts: 23588
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/14/2005
Member: #1009
USA
3/21/2007  10:56 AM
Posted by TMS:

couldn't agree more... i said it going into the season, playoffs is not my expectation or even my main goal this season... i want to see this team come together & improve, i want to see some chemistry starting to develop, & most importantly i want to see our young guys develop & mature... in some ways, i think i've seen it, but we still have a long ways to go... even being in a playoff race at this stage in the season is beneficial to this team, & we can't steer away from the big picture out of desperation.

this team has improved from the disapointing, problematic 33 win season, but not by a significant amount when you consider that the coach resigned that season. however we are younger now than we were than. that doesn't mean a whole lot to me though. except that this time we might be able to play at an above mediocre level for a couple of seasons this time.
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
3/21/2007  11:16 AM
i agree Slim, but making the playoffs after an inconsistent season like the one we just had isn't my main objective... i just want to see continued improvement like you're talking about first & then worry about playoffs second.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
Bippity10
Posts: 13999
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2004
Member: #574
3/21/2007  2:39 PM
Yeah playoffs is more for the fans than the players. Winning 32 games, backing into the playoffs and getting trounced in 4 games in the first round of the "brightly lit" playoffs. Is not as important as winning 40 games, battling everynight and missing out simply because your conference isn't pathetic. One scenario you realize that you can be rewarded for poor play. IN the other scenario you get a lesson in what it really takes to win in the NBA.

The playoffs is not a bad thing. But our priority should be on developing the youth. If they are good, then playoffs will come over time anyway. No more catering to Marbs or Francis. We gave up a lot to get Eddie. It's time to stop coddling him and start training him for the future or else 7 years from now we are going to be seeing him put up 12 rebounds one night. And 2 rebounds the next night as we get bounced from the playoffs.
I just hope that people will like me
Cookdcokehop
Posts: 22452
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 3/25/2005
Member: #880
USA
3/22/2007  11:54 AM
If Crawford was still here Curry would be a factor. The have some kind of ESP with each other.
Allanfan20
Posts: 36013
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
3/22/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

If Crawford was still here Curry would be a factor. The have some kind of ESP with each other.

Ever think that maybe that's a problem? The one player Curry was ever to consistently connect with has been Jamal Crawford? Not good.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
3/22/2007  2:53 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

If Crawford was still here Curry would be a factor. The have some kind of ESP with each other.

Ever think that maybe that's a problem? The one player Curry was ever to consistently connect with has been Jamal Crawford? Not good.

the absence of D Lee has also had a negative effect on Curry... he's another guy who's always looked to get Curry the ball downlow as well... there are now guys playing major roles on this team now that have historically not shown they can mesh well w/a bigman downlow, or have not yet had the experience to learn how... this on top of the fact that Curry's still learning how to be a go to guy in the paint... this is why the impetus is squarely on Stephon's shoulders w/Jamal out right now to make sure that Curry gets involved early so his head stays into the games down the stretch... he can't keep launching up 3 pointers on the perimeter & think he can carry this team into the playoffs.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
PUT THE SEASON IN STARBURY'S HANDS

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy