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BRIGGS
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3/20/2007  12:22 PM
I think it's probably 50-50 who goes first. I would still stick with Oden--big men take a little more time--even the big shaq wasnt a dominator his first year in college. Durant sure looks like a rare bird for sure best skill player at that size by far coming into the draft--the fall off from 2-3 is HUGE--still although oden look 37--he's going to get bigger stronger and more polished--you cant teach 7-1 260+
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3/20/2007  12:25 PM
i would take Oden 1st w/o a doubt... he's got the David Robinson look about him... i think he's going to be special

[Edited by - TMS on 03-20-2007 12:25 PM]
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3/20/2007  12:27 PM
I'd go with Durant because the league is centered around a player with his skill sets. Not to mention he has this certain specialness about him.
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3/20/2007  12:31 PM
You can't teach Jerome James's 7'1" 260+ either.

And sometimes, even if you're 7'3", have long arms, all-world athleticism, you never amount to anything in the NBA, then you get the smackdown by a mob of people half your size.
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3/20/2007  12:31 PM
Drant is highly skilled, but he doesn't have a good handle nor is he strong, very skinny. He may be a special scorer in this league, but we have those and how far have guys like carmello and Redd and ray allen gotten their teams..

Oden can be a difference maker, I look at him as a bigger and healthier okafor... Defensively he can take over games...
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3/20/2007  12:31 PM
do you take hakeem over jordan? the answer is yes 10 times out of 10.

to not take oden over durant means you think durant can be like jordan. i mean how much better will durant be than tmac? meanwhile, oden will anchor your frontcourt defense for the next 15 years. right now, he will get 10+ boards, 2+ blocks.
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3/20/2007  12:50 PM
I would take Oden over Durant 10 times out of 10. You win championships with big men like Oden, Durant will be a very nice player in this league, but take a look at the Nuggets and the Cavs, they don't have a dominant big man and Carmelo hasn't been able to get over that hump, neither has Lebron. The only guy that WAS able to get over that hump is DWade, thanks to Shaq of course.
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3/20/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

do you take hakeem over jordan? the answer is yes 10 times out of 10.

to not take oden over durant means you think durant can be like jordan. i mean how much better will durant be than tmac? meanwhile, oden will anchor your frontcourt defense for the next 15 years. right now, he will get 10+ boards, 2+ blocks.


Great point. You take the can't miss center over the stud wingman. Jordan is a once a generation kind of player. Percentages point to Oden.
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Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by djsunyc:

do you take hakeem over jordan? the answer is yes 10 times out of 10.

to not take oden over durant means you think durant can be like jordan. i mean how much better will durant be than tmac? meanwhile, oden will anchor your frontcourt defense for the next 15 years. right now, he will get 10+ boards, 2+ blocks.


Great point. You take the can't miss center over the stud wingman. Jordan is a once a generation kind of player. Percentages point to Oden.

Big question will be--who is pick 3

If Noah had continued his play from last year AND expanded on it--he wouldve been in the talks for 1-2-3 as well because he's 7-1---but he regressed and I think he regressed enough to lose position 3. It's a tough call because you have 2 potential studs in the Wright's but if it was my job on the line I would take Horford 3rd then either Julian Wright or Acie Law.
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3/20/2007  2:20 PM
BRIGGS, how far do you see Noah dropping?
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3/20/2007  2:22 PM
Things that make you go hmmmm....

If somehow Zeke gets a pick in this years draft around 3-10 and the chinese kid, Yi Jianlian, is available...you think he picks him? That would be a marketing heist in epic proportions. He is the next big prospect in China and is compared to Pau Gasol and Dirk Diggler.


PLUS: The big Asian community in NY.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 03-20-2007 2:23 PM]
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3/20/2007  2:31 PM
yo, i was totally going to make a post on that Chinese kid Bocker... i saw some clips of him playing in China... the kid's got a nice handle & a sweet jumpshot... looks like he can nail the 3 pointer & he's very mobile for a bigman too... sorta reminds me of Dirk in some respects, obviously on a lesser scale... i'd be willing to take a chance on him if he's available, but we'd still need a shotblocking presence in a bad way... if we can trade Channing for mid-late 1st rounder, & then draft Jianlian & Sean Williams, i'd be fine with that.
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3/20/2007  2:37 PM
Here is a clip of Pau Gasol against Yi Jianlian. Kinda reminded me of the Shaq V Bynum this year clip.



HA HA HA...I just noticed the score...youtube editing baby.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 03-20-2007 2:38 PM]
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3/20/2007  2:42 PM
Cool Nike commercial in China.
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3/20/2007  2:44 PM
LOL @ the Spanish play by play guy saying "OH! In your FACE!" after the Pau dunk.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-20-2007 2:44 PM]
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3/20/2007  2:49 PM
depends on your philosophy obviously. the popular argument is that the game is so perimeter oriented today that Durant would be a better pick in general and have a more immediate impact. BUT... purists like me will always take the big man. If I were to rebuild a team, which many lottery teams are now starting to do, I always take the talented big man over the talented shooter simply because it's safer to build an inside-out team. it's easier to have lackluster perimeter players who get beat off the dribble, but a big man anchoring the middle, who can also get you easy buckets down the stretch-- than to draft for the perimeter and really gamble on both ends of the floor with young perimeter talent, and have no safety Big on the inside.
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3/20/2007  2:58 PM
nevermind what i said about us trading Frye to get a pick to draft Jianlian... i just saw he's projected top 10 in the lottery this year.
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3/20/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:

Here is a clip of Pau Gasol against Yi Jianlian. Kinda reminded me of the Shaq V Bynum this year clip.



HA HA HA...I just noticed the score...youtube editing baby.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 03-20-2007 2:38 PM]

i watched all of USA's FIBA games last summer, woke up at like 4:00 AM or whatever it was to watch the games. yi jianlian looked pretty good but he had enormous difficulty guarding players from USA, spain, and some of the quicker european guards-- and that's WITH the FIBA rules with the trapezoid lane and there is no 3-second rule. I think that's actually part of the problem with international players defensively, intl rules let them play so much zone that they just abandon man to man defense all together and they never learn to D up. there are a few good teams that value defense, Italy, Greece, Argentina, Spain all play solid team D and man to man. but this kid yi is going to have to adjust not just to the tempo of the NBA game but everything. all those open lanes to the basket he's used to having won't be there, so he will have to contribute in other ways like hitting the glass and defending, but like I said if you watch him he really needs to work on his D.

one kid I was VERY impressed with was Italy's Marco Belinelli. really really awesome guard. played both ends of the floor and gave Chris Paul and Kirk Heinrich all sorts of problems, was a pick and roll beast, quick, had good range.
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3/20/2007  3:13 PM
thanks for the scouting report dude... u think there's a possibility he might slip down to the middle of the 1st round?
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3/20/2007  3:16 PM
I remember one issue with Jianlian was his Danny Almonte type age. Which would affect his draft status as we all know draftniks look for the dreaded P word. Potential.
Seems like these teams are hot on Durant

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