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MS
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3/19/2007  10:05 AM
"Whenever we give him 30 plus minutes, he normally has double figure rebounds, and double figured points" "He finds a way to change the game"

Now I know a lot of us have been saying this all season, but Balkman produces wins, and whenever he played with lee we usually ended up winning more than our fair share of games. I find it odd that Isiah constantly jerks our best defender, shotblocker out of the game, and gives him DNPs.
-He has really outplayed Jefferies, although Jared has been strong.

Observations about the season
1. Isiah has caused a number of players to regress offesively because of Crawford and Curry's ball dominating.
-Baby Bulls usually combine for 6 turnovers, give up 40 points and play selfishly
2. Frye has been misused and sacrificed for Eddy, and has been playing out of position and Isiah failed to realize early on you have to make Frye the focal point and play him at center
3. Jefferies plays better at powerfoward and he has hurt the team when he is penciled in at sf.
4. Balkman has been a force nearly every game he has played big minutes, but has been pushed to the bench to justify the jefferies signing.

I have not been all that impressed with what Isiah has done, frankly i think he has the tools at his disposal and has contributed to a ton of loses this season. He built up their confidence and got them to play together, but we play no defense, we turn the ball over and our center has been ill prepared to deal with double teams, and his progression has come at the expense of other players to save isiahs job.

I am wondering why it took him till the end of the season to realize that Balkman = Wins. Frye at center = production, Eddy playing huge minutes = giving up huge points. He makes it sound like there is no room for Balkman. If he just scaled down eddy to 30, gave channing the backup role, and reduced crawfords minutes early on we would have been in great shape and leading the division.
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3/19/2007  10:20 AM
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3/19/2007  10:30 AM
NO because Balkman should have been playing all season, and his insistance to pretend curry is an allstar, shattered fryes confidence and hurt his development, and he has made the entire year about eddy, talking about his goal is to now make another player an allstar, when eddy lately looks worse than he did last year....

IF he just did the smart thing and started lee and balkman all year long, we would not be playing in constant holes and you would have had enough off the bench with crawford and frye
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3/19/2007  10:32 AM
agree about Balkman deserving more minutes... Isiah saying that contradicts the coaching moves he's made this year... that's what irks me when it comes to his coaching... he'll say 1 thing & do another.
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3/19/2007  10:54 AM
Hey man no one said Isiah was perfect. He's in need of growth as much as his players. It's not like he has all this experience as a head coach. His use of the roster has been weird all year. Playing Big Snacks to start games? His tatics are often questionable. In particular his play calling with last possession of qtrs and halfs. He can be a bit slow to make adjustments in game sometimes. STILL you have to give him some credit, cuz when he calls upon these guys they're most often ready to play. This means he's been doing his job in the gym.

Isiah's entire staff seems to be doing it's job for the most part. These players seem to be improving as the season goes along. Isiah is learning as he goes as well. I think he's going to end up being a VERY FINE coach one day. He already is a very good communicator and motivator. If he can get his use of the roster straightened out he'll be on his way. The guy does have a lot on his shoulders and for the most part has handled it ok. Clearly he must improve to help this team get to the next level.

Also I forgot to mention that the team actually CAN play D. I think he's gotten many of the players to commit to playing harder on D. Now they don't always succeed and they often don't finish off a good defensive stand with getting the rebound as was the case in the NOK game, but they are getting better.

[Edited by - nixluva on 03-19-2007 03:56 AM]
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3/19/2007  10:54 AM
This is why I wasn't convinced last year that Isiah wanted Brown playing the rookies over the veterans. Isiah always has a large contract to justify and he's very "old school" about making kids earn their minutes.

I wish he were also as hard on his veterans.
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3/19/2007  10:57 AM
And can anyone explain why Cato plays so little? Unless he has some career threatening knee or back condition we don't know about, the man brings something to the floor and I think he's being wasted.
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3/19/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by TMS:

agree about Balkman deserving more minutes... Isiah saying that contradicts the coaching moves he's made this year... that's what irks me when it comes to his coaching... he'll say 1 thing & do another.

Exactly. When I read that quote from Isiah, I just shook my head. Just one reason why I think Isiah is getting way too many props for the coaching job he's done this year. I don't care how many more wins we have this year than last year. It's a meaningless comparison. The fact is, we don't play defense, come out flat far too often and lose too many games we should win. That's all coaching.
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3/19/2007  11:02 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

And can anyone explain why Cato plays so little? Unless he has some career threatening knee or back condition we don't know about, the man brings something to the floor and I think he's being wasted.

I think he was just brought in to be another big body during practice to help develop Eddy Curry and to be a positive presence in the locker room.
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3/19/2007  11:05 AM
Posted by MS:

"Whenever we give him 30 plus minutes, he normally has double figure rebounds, and double figured points" "He finds a way to change the game"

Now I know a lot of us have been saying this all season, but Balkman produces wins, and whenever he played with lee we usually ended up winning more than our fair share of games. I find it odd that Isiah constantly jerks our best defender, shotblocker out of the game, and gives him DNPs.
-He has really outplayed Jefferies, although Jared has been strong.

Observations about the season
1. Isiah has caused a number of players to regress offesively because of Crawford and Curry's ball dominating.
-Baby Bulls usually combine for 6 turnovers, give up 40 points and play selfishly
2. Frye has been misused and sacrificed for Eddy, and has been playing out of position and Isiah failed to realize early on you have to make Frye the focal point and play him at center
3. Jefferies plays better at powerfoward and he has hurt the team when he is penciled in at sf.
4. Balkman has been a force nearly every game he has played big minutes, but has been pushed to the bench to justify the jefferies signing.

I have not been all that impressed with what Isiah has done, frankly i think he has the tools at his disposal and has contributed to a ton of loses this season. He built up their confidence and got them to play together, but we play no defense, we turn the ball over and our center has been ill prepared to deal with double teams, and his progression has come at the expense of other players to save isiahs job.

I am wondering why it took him till the end of the season to realize that Balkman = Wins. Frye at center = production, Eddy playing huge minutes = giving up huge points. He makes it sound like there is no room for Balkman. If he just scaled down eddy to 30, gave channing the backup role, and reduced crawfords minutes early on we would have been in great shape and leading the division.

So if I understand correctly, you believe Isiah the GM has put together a decent, playoff worthy team, and Isiah the coach has coached the team out of the playoffs?

Because every day I read from you how terrible the team is.

Which one is it?

oohah

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3/19/2007  11:33 AM
I think the team constructed as a whole is not terrific, because of players like francis, who eat up minutes, crawford, etc. We have a lot of redundant parts.

I think if he doesn't make the francis trade and we hang onto ariza and are not obligated to JJ2 I think the team is a playoff team, i am not in love with the roster, because Q looks like he will never be the same.

I love two guys on this team Lee and Balkman, two guys that bring it every night and help produce win with their hustle.

I think that Crawford and Curry really hurt the team, you can live with Eddy a little more because he does some good things on offense, but those two give up a ton of points every game, and Eddy rarely challenges anything thats why i think at most he should play 30 minutes. Its not like competing in the east is some sort of accomplishment. There are a ton of lazy players out there and hustle beats talent.

My point is that Isiah has been misusing it all season. You want to play JJ2 as a backup sf/pf i have no problem with that, i have a problem when Balkman is losing time.

Whenever we give him 30 plus minutes, he normally has double figure rebounds, and double figured points" "He finds a way to change the game"

Is that the dumbest ****ing quote of the year, let me get this straight a player at the sf spot is usually going to give you a double double, blk shots and change the pace of the game and your having trouble finding minutes for him. Because jefferies in 30 minutes averages 5pts 5rbs.

I hear quotes about Lee needs to come off the bench because he has a nice niche when the team is 6-2 when he plays 40 minutes.

To me I think he has sacrificed defense all season to make it appear that eddy is a better player, when in fact he is being force fed and only producing more points.

DO i think this team is great, no! Do i think we have some positives, yes! But I don't like roster spots locked in for minimal production or signing a guy to a five year deal that doesn't make the necessary impact
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3/19/2007  11:47 AM
And I think anyway you slice it this team would have been better without Eddy.

Thomas, Lee, Balkman out there all at once forget about ever getting a rb, and rim protection, mix frye and a few up tempo guys would have been much more entertaining and hard to stop
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3/19/2007  12:04 PM
Out of curiousity, does anyone think Balkman will be even better than Lee? Yeah, he has no shooting ability, but he can block shots/defend way better than Lee can. If he works on his shooting and gets more experience, I think in the next year or so he might end up being better.

Just my opinion!
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3/19/2007  12:18 PM
Eddy without Jamal:
March numbers 7 games (when we need him the most, no q/dlee to effect his rbs)
14.4pts 5.9rbs 1.3ass 3.7to's 0.6blk 45%fg 50%ft (35 minutes)

Other bigs in March

Jefferson
21.7pts 11.8rbs 2.0ass 1.9tos 1.6blks 58%fg 56ft (37 minutes)

Chandler
10.6pts 12.4rbs 0.6ass 2.1tos 2.0blks 63%fg 53%ft (37 min)

Biedrus
9.3pts 10.8rbs 0.3ass 1.6tos 1.3blks 62%fg 66ft (30min)

Aldridge
14.5pts 8.6rbs 0.4ass 0.8tos 1.8blks 52%fg 67% (30 min)

Sammy
10.9pts 9.6rbs 1.2ass 1.0tos 2.3blks 55% 88% (34min)

Camby
9.6pts 10.6rbs 3.4rbs 1.9tos 4.1blks 1.8stls 51% 64% (33min)

Wallace
8.6pts 11.1rbs 3.5ass 1.9stl 1.9blks 0.8tos 48% 40% (38 min)

Howard
17.4pts 11.4rbs 2.2ass 3.1tos 1.9blks 63% 53%

Its only 7 games but our young franchise player that isiah, dolan and everyone wants us to cream about is playing his worst ball of the season while everyone else is playing well and improving or staying on par, and isiah is screaming at everyone because eddy isn't getting ivolved
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3/19/2007  12:22 PM
We'd be instantly better with any of those centers. We need the shot-blocking and rebounding (esp. without Lee and Q) so desperately.
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3/19/2007  12:34 PM
Posted by MS:

And I think anyway you slice it this team would have been better without Eddy.

Thomas, Lee, Balkman out there all at once forget about ever getting a rb, and rim protection, mix frye and a few up tempo guys would have been much more entertaining and hard to stop

MS, COME ON!!!! You've gotta look at the big picture. When we go up against a team with a playoff offense. One that is setup for halfcourt play, you will be happy that we have a Post player like Curry. Down the line when this team is fashioned just a bit more towards Curry's game, you'll see how much better this all looks.

Isiah has to have time to learn this roster and how to use it. What he can get out of certain players. We have to make some changes to be sure, but underneath there is a core of VERY GOOD players here. Going forward Isiah has Curry, Frye, Lee, Balkman, Jared and those guys can all play at a high level in this league. Once we settle the SF and G situation, I think we'll be in great shape.
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3/19/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by MS:

Eddy without Jamal:
March numbers 7 games (when we need him the most, no q/dlee to effect his rbs)
14.4pts 5.9rbs 1.3ass 3.7to's 0.6blk 45%fg 50%ft (35 minutes)

Other bigs in March

Jefferson
21.7pts 11.8rbs 2.0ass 1.9tos 1.6blks 58%fg 56ft (37 minutes)

Chandler
10.6pts 12.4rbs 0.6ass 2.1tos 2.0blks 63%fg 53%ft (37 min)

Biedrus
9.3pts 10.8rbs 0.3ass 1.6tos 1.3blks 62%fg 66ft (30min)

Aldridge
14.5pts 8.6rbs 0.4ass 0.8tos 1.8blks 52%fg 67% (30 min)

Sammy
10.9pts 9.6rbs 1.2ass 1.0tos 2.3blks 55% 88% (34min)

Camby
9.6pts 10.6rbs 3.4rbs 1.9tos 4.1blks 1.8stls 51% 64% (33min)

Wallace
8.6pts 11.1rbs 3.5ass 1.9stl 1.9blks 0.8tos 48% 40% (38 min)

Howard
17.4pts 11.4rbs 2.2ass 3.1tos 1.9blks 63% 53%

Its only 7 games but our young franchise player that isiah, dolan and everyone wants us to cream about is playing his worst ball of the season while everyone else is playing well and improving or staying on par, and isiah is screaming at everyone because eddy isn't getting ivolved

Is that statline a combo of Biedrins and Pietrus?
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3/19/2007  12:41 PM
Posted by MS:

Eddy without Jamal:
March numbers 7 games (when we need him the most, no q/dlee to effect his rbs)
14.4pts 5.9rbs 1.3ass 3.7to's 0.6blk 45%fg 50%ft (35 minutes)

Other bigs in March

Jefferson
21.7pts 11.8rbs 2.0ass 1.9tos 1.6blks 58%fg 56ft (37 minutes)

Chandler
10.6pts 12.4rbs 0.6ass 2.1tos 2.0blks 63%fg 53%ft (37 min)

Biedrus
9.3pts 10.8rbs 0.3ass 1.6tos 1.3blks 62%fg 66ft (30min)

Aldridge
14.5pts 8.6rbs 0.4ass 0.8tos 1.8blks 52%fg 67% (30 min)

Sammy
10.9pts 9.6rbs 1.2ass 1.0tos 2.3blks 55% 88% (34min)

Camby
9.6pts 10.6rbs 3.4rbs 1.9tos 4.1blks 1.8stls 51% 64% (33min)

Wallace
8.6pts 11.1rbs 3.5ass 1.9stl 1.9blks 0.8tos 48% 40% (38 min)

Howard
17.4pts 11.4rbs 2.2ass 3.1tos 1.9blks 63% 53%

Its only 7 games but our young franchise player that isiah, dolan and everyone wants us to cream about is playing his worst ball of the season while everyone else is playing well and improving or staying on par, and isiah is screaming at everyone because eddy isn't getting ivolved


Obviously Curry missing Lee, Q and Jamal is going to hurt his game because the court is alot smaller now. Notice how Kobe explodes for 65 and 50 in back to back games as soon as Odom and Walton come back. Kobe was being doubled and even tripled at times during the stretch of games that Odom and Walton missed.


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3/19/2007  12:50 PM
Yeah Kudos to the GM for picking Balkman - which no one saw why he picked him and right, boo to the coach who obviously doesn't know of the talents that the GM saw to pick him, and doesn't play him enough? Are you serious. Why can't it be, great game that Balkman had. With key injuries to our starters, we get to see what he's about. Why does every positive have to followed up with a negative? I guess Isiah the MAN, can't win at all on this board!
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3/19/2007  12:54 PM
Also, on your list, which one of those guys gets doubled consistantly? Which one of those guys during this stretch that you highlighted are missing signaficant players? Other than Jefferson and Howard, the rest of those guys are star role-players whose role is to provide energy, rebound and defend.

Its well understood that Curry isn't a great rebounder or defender and by you comparing him to players (for the most part) whose sole job is to rebound and defend, obvioulsy Curry is gonna come out on the losing end. And why just use a 7 game slice of the season? Hell, lets just cut a 1 game slice.

Curry
5pts 1rbs 1ast 1blks

Balkman
15pts 12rbs 1ast 2blks



[Edited by - bigbeast on 03-19-2007 12:57 PM]
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