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djsunyc
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3/18/2007  10:25 AM
excerpt from a q&a with jim dolan
Q: At what point will you expect a championship from Isiah Thomas' Knicks?

A: There is no absolute path to a championship. There is, though, an absolute path to contending for a championship. Winning has a lot of factors you don't control. But to perennially or consistently be there, I think we should see that ... I don't think next year ... we should start to see it maybe the year after and then by the year after that. But you gotta always caveat injuries. If Allan Houston had not suffered injuries, we would have had a much better record.

Q: What surprised you about Isiah the Coach?

A: That he doesn't know how good he really is.

Q: Why is that?

A: He's very demanding of himself.
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3/18/2007  10:59 AM
this is good news! mr. dolan, extending zeke to 3 years would be nice
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3/18/2007  11:15 AM
It's hard to imagine Dolan being any dumber, but every time he speaks, it comes to reality.
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3/18/2007  11:21 AM
I'm no fan of Dolan, but what did he say that was really wrong? No one KNOWS that they're gonna get to the finals. You can't even predict that until your team makes certain important steps. 1st let's try to get this team into the playoffs and do that every year. How long has Dallas been trying to get to the finals? It's not so easy. Rod Thorn is an excellent GM and even he wasn't able to keep his team at the top for a long time. Every year is a new challenge. To stay healthy and hopefully improve your team from the previous year.

I think this team will have some consistency and that will lend itself to more growth. I'm positive that if this team was fully healthy or at least closer to that, we would've seen more wins this year.
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3/18/2007  1:15 PM
I expect Dolan to keep Isiah around for 11 years. As long as the Knicks keep on beating the Nets in ratings, and people keep on going to games Isiah will not get fired.
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3/18/2007  1:22 PM
LOL @ the lie of Steve Francis being a Tri-Captain with Jamal and Stephon. Al Trautwig said this real briefly and with total dismay. He said it was brought to his attention without question. The writing is on the wall........ ISAYUGH and the brass are trying to build up Steve's value so he can be traded.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-18-2007 12:23 PM]
LMFAO @ the Bio [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephon_Marbury[/url]
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3/18/2007  4:27 PM
Glen Sather and Isiah Thomas are MSG employees for life.

Well at least that's the sentence for the fans of the teams they run.

Not much of a surprise knowing how incredibly stupid Dolan is.

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3/18/2007  6:55 PM
i'm surprised dolan didn't bring up bernard king's knee injury.
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3/18/2007  9:32 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I'm no fan of Dolan, but what did he say that was really wrong? No one KNOWS that they're gonna get to the finals. You can't even predict that until your team makes certain important steps. 1st let's try to get this team into the playoffs and do that every year. How long has Dallas been trying to get to the finals? It's not so easy. Rod Thorn is an excellent GM and even he wasn't able to keep his team at the top for a long time. Every year is a new challenge. To stay healthy and hopefully improve your team from the previous year.

I think this team will have some consistency and that will lend itself to more growth. I'm positive that if this team was fully healthy or at least closer to that, we would've seen more wins this year.

well first off, its pretty rare for any team to be fully healthy for an entire season. Injuries are a part of the game. second this team will never pull that off as long as richardson is a player here. he has chronic back problems, and I seriously doubt he will every play a full season again.

but for the most part I actually agree with you. there is no way to garauntee winning a championship. however there is an almost garaunteed way to become a contender for a championship. if winning a championship and nothing short of that is the criteria than larry johnson, patrick ewing and the rest of those guys are all failures because they never won a championship, it doesn't matter how close they got. but that certainly isn't the case. so I don't see anything wrong with what dolan said. still though I don't think Isiah will evern even be able to turn this team into a championship contender.


[Edited by - slimpack on 03-18-2007 9:38 PM]
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Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by nixluva:

I'm no fan of Dolan, but what did he say that was really wrong? No one KNOWS that they're gonna get to the finals. You can't even predict that until your team makes certain important steps. 1st let's try to get this team into the playoffs and do that every year. How long has Dallas been trying to get to the finals? It's not so easy. Rod Thorn is an excellent GM and even he wasn't able to keep his team at the top for a long time. Every year is a new challenge. To stay healthy and hopefully improve your team from the previous year.

I think this team will have some consistency and that will lend itself to more growth. I'm positive that if this team was fully healthy or at least closer to that, we would've seen more wins this year.

well first off, its pretty rare for any team to be fully healthy for an entire season. Injuries are a part of the game. second this team will never pull that off as long as richardson is a player here. he has chronic back problems, and I seriously doubt he will every play a full season again.

but for the most part I actually agree with you. there is no way to garauntee winning a championship. however there is an almost garaunteed way to become a contender for a championship. if winning a championship and nothing short of that is the criteria than larry johnson, patrick ewing and the rest of those guys are all failures because they never won a championship, it doesn't matter how close they got. but that certainly isn't the case. so I don't see anything wrong with what dolan said. still though I don't think Isiah will evern even be able to turn this team into a championship contender.

[Edited by - slimpack on 03-18-2007 9:38 PM]

Mainly because for all of our decent young talent, we still lack a stud. You don't win an NBA title without a stud. The recent Pistons were an exception because they had a starting lineup filled with All-Stars. That's rare.

What we have are a bunch of good, young secondary players. I'm not necessarily knocking that, because it's a good start, and it's a necessary component. But unless Curry suddenly learns how to be an excellent all-around center, we will not seriously contend for a title until we somehow manage to land that stud. Because like it or not, Curry is the closest thing we have to a franchise player.
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3/19/2007  9:40 AM
^ Oh, yeah...another reason we won't seriously contend for a title under Isiah: He does not preach defense. You don't win an NBA title without a stud, and without a coach who insists on great defense.
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3/19/2007  9:49 AM
I remember reading a few years back that the knicks were never built to win a championship but to get to the conf finals which was the benchmark to being very profitable.

THat is why we starphuched so much. Be good enough to fill the house but not execute greatness.

I might have to agree with that view point as we never had a desire to rebuild in any fashion.

Even Isiahs "miricle" of turning over Laydens impossible roster was done with a big monetary cost.

I get tired of hearing of how Isiah was able to trade the impossible but he fails to mention the payola it took to motivate teams.
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3/19/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by Nalod:

I remember reading a few years back that the knicks were never built to win a championship but to get to the conf finals which was the benchmark to being very profitable.

THat is why we starphuched so much. Be good enough to fill the house but not execute greatness.

I might have to agree with that view point as we never had a desire to rebuild in any fashion.

Even Isiahs "miricle" of turning over Laydens impossible roster was done with a big monetary cost.

I get tired of hearing of how Isiah was able to trade the impossible but he fails to mention the payola it took to motivate teams.

Absolutley. In fact, all Dolan wants is to get to the 2nd round every year with an entertaining team. That's his true dream. Getting to the conference finals would be gravy. If Dolan has an entertaining team that gets to the 2nd round consistently, it guarantees him 41 sell-outs a season, all the suites filled just about every night and very good TV ratings.

Plus, I've heard that some owners prefer to get close to a title but no too close because getting too close can cause fans to expect too much. They want fans to be very interested without being too greedy.


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3/19/2007  4:16 PM
Posted by Erniecat:
Posted by Nalod:

I remember reading a few years back that the knicks were never built to win a championship but to get to the conf finals which was the benchmark to being very profitable.

THat is why we starphuched so much. Be good enough to fill the house but not execute greatness.

I might have to agree with that view point as we never had a desire to rebuild in any fashion.

Even Isiahs "miricle" of turning over Laydens impossible roster was done with a big monetary cost.

I get tired of hearing of how Isiah was able to trade the impossible but he fails to mention the payola it took to motivate teams.

Absolutley. In fact, all Dolan wants is to get to the 2nd round every year with an entertaining team. That's his true dream. Getting to the conference finals would be gravy. If Dolan has an entertaining team that gets to the 2nd round consistently, it guarantees him 41 sell-outs a season, all the suites filled just about every night and very good TV ratings.

Plus, I've heard that some owners prefer to get close to a title but no too close because getting too close can cause fans to expect too much. They want fans to be very interested without being too greedy.

That's teh same reason we didn't rebuild in '99 after Pat left. Why rebuild when you could fill the stands with a 45 win mediocre team.

This team has a long way to go and good moves need to be made. But we all know if want to be contenders we do have to bring in a true "stud" as people call them. Not knocking the guys we have but htis is reality. Maybe Curry is this guy(I don't think so, but maybe). If he's not, how do we go out and get this guy? We don't appear to be set up to do so without trading one of our young guys. How else does Isiah get it done? There seem to be a group of people on the site that never want to answer that.
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3/19/2007  6:10 PM
I don't mind Isiah Thomas being here as long as Marbury/Francis are under contract. Just as long as he doesn't make any more bad moves. All he has to do right now is keep the team playing 500 or better as they have been since december, draft well and let contracts expire unless we get a no brainer deal which isn't likely. If Isiah can do that for 2 season we will be in good shape.
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3/19/2007  6:41 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Thank God I'm done with the Knicks.

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3/19/2007  7:40 PM
That's straight no chaser from Monk-
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3/19/2007  10:43 PM
well, you needn't have gone there
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3/19/2007  11:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I remember reading a few years back that the knicks were never built to win a championship but to get to the conf finals which was the benchmark to being very profitable.

THat is why we starphuched so much. Be good enough to fill the house but not execute greatness.

I might have to agree with that view point as we never had a desire to rebuild in any fashion.

Even Isiahs "miricle" of turning over Laydens impossible roster was done with a big monetary cost.

I get tired of hearing of how Isiah was able to trade the impossible but he fails to mention the payola it took to motivate teams.

nalod, I understand your argument, but counter with this. When you have Dolan's money spending the 100+ million it took to get us where we are at was just the cost of doing business. If you look at it from a strictly business standpoint and not from the NBA. Along the way, there were mistakes ala james and baker and Francis. But no one can argue that in the 3 yrs he has been here, he has pretty much retooled the team and given them a path to follow. Allbeit, they dont have that bonafide star just yet, we have all the components and we have a player with the potential to really be special (curry). History has shown us that stars are most likely to be traded than to be landed via Free agency any way. If this was 3 years ago and we had the chance to have the team we have now vs the team we had when he took over, which one would you take. So in conclusion, Isaih had to take on bad contracts to overhaul the team and get in young prospects., change the culture, brinng winning and hope back to the garden. (we already knnow the fanbase is split down the middle, I like the direction the team is headed and I am happy with IT at the moment ) Bottom line is this, this wasnt a small market team, it was NY with a owner who has deep pockets, any other GM would not have been able to do what IT has done in the same time IT has done it. Please don't tell me about the just let everything expire and tank every season in hopes of getting that oh so special draft pick. I would hate to see the message board if this were the case.
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3/19/2007  11:55 PM
Posted by Michael6835:

Please don't tell me about the just let everything expire and tank every season in hopes of getting that oh so special draft pick. I would hate to see the message board if this were the case.

Besides which, does that method really even work? We haven't seen a team build from scratch to a title in who knows when. I'll remind the guys around here that we have FIVE, 1st rd picks on this team in just a 2 year period. PLUS Curry, which is like adding another one. We do have a stud and his name is Stephon. SOme of you just choose not to look at him that way, but he's an All Star caliber player when the coach isn't named LB. Just look at how he's been playing and you can tell that he can kick it up a few notches when we need the help. When he get's some help from the rest of the team we have a great shot to win any game. I've got news for you guys too, Steph isn't even close to being done either. He's been able to defend just about every guard including super quick guys like TJ Ford. He's still blowing by guys like that too. He's gonna gradually slow down, but i'm willing to say that barring a major injury he should be able to play at a high level for 2-3 more years easily. Especially if we get some help and can cut back his minutes. More blowout wins like yesterday would help.

The key will be what Isiah does to fix this roster and give this team what it needs. If you've got Steph, Curry, Lee and a supporting cast of Frye, Balkman, Jamal, Jared etc. You should be able to add just enough to push this team over the top and into the Elite in the East.
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