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The Knicks score more efficiently without Curry???
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Bonn1997
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3/17/2007  10:59 AM
That's the one thing he's supposed to do well. Even I was surprised when I saw this:

Pts scored per 100 Possessions: On Court: 106.9; Off Court: 110.0

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BTW, David Lee #s:
Offense:
On: 111.9; off 102.9
Defense:
Pts given up on: 107.9; off: 113.1

All stats are from 82games.com
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3/17/2007  7:29 PM
That is a really interesting statistic. Good Find!
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3/17/2007  7:33 PM
He gets the ball, he scores. Nothing much else. He may draw doubles, but it doesn't do much good if he sucks at passing. He may get to the line, but it doesn't mean much if he's mediocre from the line. He may be a beast, but it doesn't mean much if he doesn't move a lot. I said it when he was on the Bulls, I am saying it now. Curry = Overrated and is NOT a player you want to build around.
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3/17/2007  7:52 PM
doesnt have a huge impact and his numbers can be so misleading at times.

The only time he is effective besides scoring is when he gets the other teams bigs in foul trouble, IMO his negatives somewhat out weighs his positives
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Bonn1997
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3/17/2007  8:34 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

He gets the ball, he scores. Nothing much else. He may draw doubles, but it doesn't do much good if he sucks at passing. He may get to the line, but it doesn't mean much if he's mediocre from the line. He may be a beast, but it doesn't mean much if he doesn't move a lot. I said it when he was on the Bulls, I am saying it now. Curry = Overrated and is NOT a player you want to build around.
If you were a GM, what would you give up to get Curry? I don't think scoring specialists have a huge overall impact or are even necessary on a winning team. I think I'd give up 2 early 2nd round picks or maybe 1 late 1st round pick. I'd hesitate with the late 1st rd pick though because you can get a Lee or J Howard.
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3/18/2007  1:45 PM
Look how GREAT the Knicks look on both ends of the court with Curry out today
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3/18/2007  2:13 PM
Short answer..............YES.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/18/2007  2:14 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

[If you were a GM, what would you give up to get Curry? I don't think scoring specialists have a huge overall impact or are even necessary on a winning team. I think I'd give up 2 early 2nd round picks or maybe 1 late 1st round pick. I'd hesitate with the late 1st rd pick though because you can get a Lee or J Howard.


Dude, stop being a knucklehead.


I'd probly give up a scrub of equal contract or close, and a lotto pick.

Or a player of equal value...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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3/18/2007  4:37 PM
Why give up a lottery pick on a guy who in year 6 still hurts his team at least on defense and statistically also on offense? Wouldn't you rather try to get a versatile 2 way player who helps his team?

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-18-2007 5:12 PM]
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3/18/2007  4:51 PM
It was a pleasure watching this team play today without Curry. Balkman got a ton of minutes and was great to watch. The fact that Jeffries does not have a jumpshot did not hurt us on offense like it does when Curry is out there. Frye showed us another glimpse of his potential.

Overall, I would have to say the defense functions so much better without Curry. This leads to more fastbreak attempts and a more efficient offense.
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3/18/2007  5:03 PM
It's not about this player vs. another. Curry gives the Knicks the ability to dominate ina half-court offense. Lee, Frye, Balkman can all flourish in a more open system.

Marbury and Francis can play either way, they just need to execute whatever the attack dujour is properly.

It's not about having a one dimensional attack, it's about being able to go at a defense in many different ways, keep 'em guessing.

This team is coming around nicely. This off-season: Consolidate and upgrade!

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3/18/2007  5:11 PM
Another Curry bashing thread from Bonn. What a surprise!
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3/18/2007  5:12 PM
Okay, so we cut Curry. Who is going to take it to Dwight Howard? Who is going to take it to Shaq/Zo? Ben Wallace?

The kid is good, we just need to diversify more.

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3/18/2007  6:28 PM
they definitely defend better and that leads to easy buckets in transition.

But if we have to bring it up and setup a shot, much better with Curry out there.
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3/18/2007  6:29 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Another Curry bashing thread from Bonn. What a surprise!

Until lee returns, it's all he's got.

BTW...jeffries and Balkman playing much much better. As is Frye.
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3/18/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Another Curry bashing thread from Bonn. What a surprise!
What's your theory on why the Knicks' offense is better statistically with Curry off the floor?
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3/18/2007  6:34 PM
Posted by oohah:

Okay, so we cut Curry. Who is going to take it to Dwight Howard? Who is going to take it to Shaq/Zo? Ben Wallace?
Marbury, Francis, Frye, Lee, and Balkman like we saw today. We'll give up fewer points too. It's a myth that your center must score 20 PPG to be a winning team. (Obviously no one is saying to *cut* Curry, though. You don't do that with a player that has some, any, trade value.)


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-18-2007 6:35 PM]
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3/18/2007  6:36 PM
I don't understand why everyone is so critical of the people that take digs at Curry. It's not like the opinions are baseless and without any evidence. The Knicks are statistically and VISUALLY a better team when Curry is seated on the bench. There is more defense and a pace that better suits this roster.

It's not like people are saying Michael Jordan has no jumper.
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3/18/2007  6:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by oohah:

Okay, so we cut Curry. Who is going to take it to Dwight Howard? Who is going to take it to Shaq/Zo? Ben Wallace?
Marbury, Francis, Frye, Lee, and Balkman like we saw today. We'll give up fewer points too. It's a myth that your center must score 20 PPG to be a winning team. (Obviously no one is saying to *cut* Curry, though. You don't do that with a player that has some, any, trade value.)


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-18-2007 6:35 PM]

I'm not trying to perpetuate any myth, and obviously I am exaggerating a bit with cutting Curry, though it would seem that some might want to simply not play him, after all we're better without him!

He is a very useful player is what I am saying, he can be downright dominant in the half-court. He's not a franchise player, the only guys who suggest that do it in precursor to trying to cut him down in every way.

If Curry gives you 16-18 Pts at 55% and 8-9 boards, he is an asset to any team and deserves a lot of playing time.

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3/18/2007  7:03 PM
Curry sucks at hustle and defense.

it's been said many times.

The double and triple teams are wearing him down, but the fact that teams are game planning for this first and foremost (sp?) is what is making the team look more effecient.

but it's really just plain hustle that's putting them over the top.

I just don't think you can dog Curry for anything other than his defense and hustle at this point.

Anything else is coincidental at best.

The Raptors couldn't handle the pressure.
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