FOr the last few years I was ususally done with them by march 1st!

My break with them emotionally was after the 1994 series and had nothing to do with inept managemnt or players. I just had my second child and I realized the team is gonna live wheather or not I am fanatic about them.

They gonna put food on the table? Gonna help me at work? Gonna get my house in order?

Sports usually are nice distractions but to watch each game really eats a lot of time. ITs not the knick as much as perhaps the maturation process over time.

Whats fun is forums like this were we get to hang out and hash it out. I actually read less articles on line than I used to by talking it up here.

Elite, no, this team is not worth the emotions. I admire Cuban as he really sees his team as labor of love. Dolan and Cablevision see it as a "product". Look of some of Charles Dolan's quotes and he literally call them a "product". They are competing for the NY entertainment doller in the spectator sports catagory.

Intead for the last 8 years I took up golf, tennis (body can't handle hoops. Broke my neck playing ball in college)and my son for the last 8 years played on an ice hockey team that played all over the east coast. I became INVOLVED with his team. They play about 50-60 games from Sept thru April.

Perhaps its age and commitment that has detached me emotionally from the team. In reality, due to free agency we are bound to the uniform and choose to follow the team close, thus we become very familiar with the players and root for them. I think if one actually put this time and energy into another team they would be also a fan of them.

We (haters and homers) choose to stay fans but the team as its been run for some time is making it harder and harder for me. I need to respect my team even if they are not winning. Dolan and Isiah lack a certain integrity.

The gag order given to players and coaches is really making me sick. Today its been quoted that when Dave Hanners and PHil Ford were asked about Larry they had no comment. That is bullsh!t! Its one thing to just mandate these guys just say "Larry and I are friends for 30 years and we hope he lands in a situation that works for him". But instead they have to say they can't say anything!

As a fan, I want to hear what coaches have to say about the team, players and the league. A flat out gag order is crazy.

We don't get honest output from our coach or GM on anymatters. This does not endear me at all! As fan, why disconnect me from the team? If a Coach is unhappy I want to know. I realize there are internal problems that perhaps should not always be aired but this alcohalic paranoia gig by dolan is really some crazy stuff.

My loyalty runs deep but as a serious fan I find Dolan is really trying to blow me away from the team. The causual fans likley does not care about this stuff and just wants to be a part of a winning situation.

So if Dolan can't make a winner for the casual fan and has taken to treat his staff like children not allowing them any contact with the press, then should I take interest in what the nets will do with Vince and Jason and rebuild the team in the next few years and they start winning I might also take a fancy to them.

While I dont disagree with re-upping Isiah at this time its largely because at this juncture I can't see how anyone else can dig out of this hole except to do what he did which was to buy his way out of Laydens mess, I really don't have any respect for him doing it with 19 games

I watch the Knicks when I can. Not every game, but as many as I can. Work, school, dating, friends takes up a lot of time though. Besides, this team just isn't worth my emotions, like Nalod, either. They've sunken to such a low level, that they celebrate mediocrity, and I just can't take it. When Spree, Allan, KT, and Camby were in charge, they accepted no losing. The players we have now don't have crap on those guys, besides our injured Lee and Quentin.

This team flat out isn't fun anymore.

Posted by Bippity10:

I watch all the games, see all the ups and downs and still have absolutely no stress and rarely am upset 2 minutes after a game. Why? Because I looked at the roster at the beginning of the season and new an inconsistent season was going to happen. It's like putting a steak on the ground by your dog, leaving for the day and being surprised an upset when you come home and the steak is gone. In your heart you knew exactly waht was going to happen, but all day you prayed that somehow some way your dog would not eat the steak.

We Knick fans know what our roster is capable of. All of us do. Optimists and pessimists know exactly who we are. The pre-season predictions bare this out. Yet we still pray that somehow some way things will be different. Take my advice and understand that we have a mediocre team. A win is great, but a loss will follow shortly after. That way when it happens you won't be too shocked and upset

Thankyou for again being the voice of reason around here Bip.

I feel so much better since I gave up on the Knicks. The owner is a bad guy, management is made up of bad people and most of the players don't give an honest effort every night. And there's absolutely no reason to trust the current ownership and management to build a contender. I wouldn't trust those people to hold my wallet for a second.

They've built a climate where Knicks fans are used and abused. They're so paranoid that they control the media in ways that would have made Hitler proud. Their network and website are nothing but propaganda machines. It's insulting and arrogant. But that's what Dolan and Isiah are great at.

The bottom line is that it's sad what they've done to this once proud franchise. They don't deserve their fans and their fans don't deserve to be treated like this.

Posted by Bippity10:

I watch all the games, see all the ups and downs and still have absolutely no stress and rarely am upset 2 minutes after a game. Why? Because I looked at the roster at the beginning of the season and new an inconsistent season was going to happen. It's like putting a steak on the ground by your dog, leaving for the day and being surprised an upset when you come home and the steak is gone. In your heart you knew exactly waht was going to happen, but all day you prayed that somehow some way your dog would not eat the steak.

We Knick fans know what our roster is capable of. All of us do. Optimists and pessimists know exactly who we are. The pre-season predictions bare this out. Yet we still pray that somehow some way things will be different. Take my advice and understand that we have a mediocre team. A win is great, but a loss will follow shortly after. That way when it happens you won't be too shocked and upset

I knew they were going to be at least mediocre last season, and I knew they were be at least mediocre this season, from the get go. It doesn't mean I have to like it! And I don't get emotional over them either. I don't go "We're gonna win it all!!!!!" after a 3 game streak, which rarely happens, and I don't kill myself after bad losses.

Ya i think i have some sort of obsessive compulsive issue with the team.


I used to be really bad, like making trade idea, and posting everyday on RGM or K4L.


I think if we're unhappy in one area of our life, we look for an escape into something else.

Or atleast that's probly the case with me.


That, or because we have no life whatsoever.........probly also the case.



I'm probly happier when I don't know what's going on with the Knicks. I'm already too personally invested in it. It's like I'm hooked. It really is a neurological thing -- like with drugs or gambling or videogames.


If you can't keep it in perspective, best thing is to probly pick up a better hobby or some arm candy...

What makes it worse, is that my roommate is a laker fan ( and a Knick hater) and i have to hear his bitch ass everytime we lose. Lol I really gave it to him when we got that 8th seed tho

Posted by Marv:

last year was the great big bummer for me, not this year. i came into last year swigging some mad koolaid (as in predicted 50 w's - what an a-hole!). i got so thoroughly disgusted with larry, isiah and steph by the end of the season that i never wanted to see any of their faces again.

thsi year i came in swiggin' the hatorade (predicted 30 w's). the one thing that got me truly excited was going to a preseason game with nalod against nj and seeing how freaking good balkman was. but his minutes have been so erratic that that hasn't sustained me. i haven't been able to see as many tv games this year, but have have made it to the garden more often than in recent years. the hookups with the uk crew have been a total blast. win or lose we're gonna be in the bars rehashing it for hours afterward, so that by the time you get home it's out of your system

going to this board helps lighten things up when it gets too depressing. the dramas between the haters and the homers are just too much fun (the "passion of misterearl" thread, as eny put it ) and most of all, the humor on this board is just the perfect antidote to newyorkknicks blues.

Same here last yr was painful. Watching Lee and Frye getting limited minutes. Seeing Ariza and 15 million in cap room go for Francis. Curry fatt ass doing nothing for the team. Last yr definately hurt my heart