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Now that Isiah has his extension, does this mean we will see less Curry(and more at the same time)?
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3/15/2007  5:40 PM
I'd hope to think so. Obviously Curry's per game averages are up this season. This is absolutely a good thing. He flat out can stay out on the court longer. However, his per minute averages have not improved any. Now that Isiah has "shown significant progress" to Dolan, perhaps he will coach this team to be more efficient, and put them in a position to win more. THat is, if Curry is in so much better shape, why not just put him on the floor for 20-25 minutes per game, and have him perform at a higher level for the minutes that he does get.(Curry can just ride the bicycle after the game to make up for the missed conditioning.) Make it known to Curry that when he is out there he needs to jump for rebounds and try defensively in order to stop easy baskets. In fact, why not just start "coaching" Curry and start telling him how it is. Isiah needs to tell Curry he needs to be going 100% at all times(or perhaps harder than he is trying now.) Additionally, Curry should only be used when the matchups are favorable or when he is on his game. No more 40 minutes and 6 rebounds. Isiah needs to make him work for his time on the court.

Just my thoughts on how Curry can be kept on this team and help them.
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.

I disagree. Obviously we are missing David lee right now and that effects everything because he is our most effective player overall. Even in spite of this, Frye does a number of things pretty well, and I "believe" if we give him a shot(and Isiah shows him some encouragement) he will be better. His fg% is low this season but that is a factor of two things. Number one, he is stuck on the perimeter, and obviously the shot percentage on the perimeter is lower on the perimeter than close to the basket, as he was playing more last year when Curry played less. Second, his shot percentage isn't all that bad if you take out his first month of the season(when he was coming off injury) and consider factor one. He flat out has a beautiful jump shot, which is better than any other player on this team. And, second his rebounding stats reflect what I said above as well. His defensive rebounding stats have actually increased since last season by .5 per game. He is getting better. His offensive rebounding stats have fallen cause he is on the perimeter on offense(which is to be expected.)

Also, Frye has shown the ability to block shots, at least much more than Curry. If you put him in a defense, where is he playing next to a guy that knows what is going on and can react mentally, he might even get better. He has the length to be a good shot blocker, part of his problem is reaction time, but that is at least partly a function of trust and environment.

I wouldn't mind James for 5-10 minutes a game if he was motivated as well. He can block shots afterall.

There is also Cato as an option at center. He knows what he is doing, and there is no reason why he couldn't be effective for a few minutes each game playing at a high level.

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3/15/2007  8:02 PM
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.


Bonn I read this board for awhile before I was allowed to post. Overall, I respect what you had to say(albeit I read here and there and not everything). Overall, I was impressed. However, I am curious about why you think Frye wouldn't be good in the right situation?
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3/15/2007  8:10 PM
Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?
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3/15/2007  8:21 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.
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3/15/2007  9:33 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

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3/15/2007  9:39 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.
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3/15/2007  9:46 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.

You would put Frye out there really? Jeffries? You can't be serious.

You get on Curry for not playing d and not rebounding then you mention Frye? Last couple of games Frye has be running away from the ball which is the opposite of Curry.

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3/15/2007  10:01 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.

You would put Frye out there really? Jeffries? You can't be serious.

You get on Curry for not playing d and not rebounding then you mention Frye? Last couple of games Frye has be running away from the ball which is the opposite of Curry.

Frye in the absence of Curry would be so much better. As I have explained before, Frye's rebounding has increased by .5 per game in the same minutes(on the defensive level since last season). He doesn't just sit in front of the basket like fatty and get offensive rebounds. He is on the perimeter and he does not get as many rebounds there as fatty.

He is also a better shotblocker.

He is also a better help defender. Frye is not quick to figure out what is going on but he is better than fatty. Fatty has no idea what is going on as the play develops.

He is also a better passer. Frye can also pass the ball when in the post. Curry clearly cannot. Frye needs to develop his low post abilities more and needs to be put in a position to do so by the coach.
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3/15/2007  10:32 PM
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.

You would put Frye out there really? Jeffries? You can't be serious.

You get on Curry for not playing d and not rebounding then you mention Frye? Last couple of games Frye has be running away from the ball which is the opposite of Curry.

Frye in the absence of Curry would be so much better. As I have explained before, Frye's rebounding has increased by .5 per game in the same minutes(on the defensive level since last season). He doesn't just sit in front of the basket like fatty and get offensive rebounds. He is on the perimeter and he does not get as many rebounds there as fatty.

He is also a better shotblocker.

He is also a better help defender. Frye is not quick to figure out what is going on but he is better than fatty. Fatty has no idea what is going on as the play develops.

He is also a better passer. Frye can also pass the ball when in the post. Curry clearly cannot. Frye needs to develop his low post abilities more and needs to be put in a position to do so by the coach.

You think Frye rebounds are increasing? Really?

He is averaging less rebounds this year than last year and he is getting more minutes this year.

He just doesn't sit in the post like Fatty?


No he just stands by the halfcourt line and tries to shoot. And if he is too nervous that night he might throw the ball away like a spoil milkshake at Friendly's. This is the same Frye that in back to back games has thrown the ball out bounce when he has been wide open for the shot to the nearest Knick City Dancer.

The guy is a 6'11 pf/c that shoots 43% from the field. Yet you think he is a better option than someone that is shooting 58% from the field that demands a triple team.

YOu said he passes better than Eddie ,but how do you know this if Frye has yet to be double or triple teamed in the post.



[Edited by - BigC on 03-15-2007 10:37 PM]
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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.

You would put Frye out there really? Jeffries? You can't be serious.

You get on Curry for not playing d and not rebounding then you mention Frye? Last couple of games Frye has be running away from the ball which is the opposite of Curry.

Frye in the absence of Curry would be so much better. As I have explained before, Frye's rebounding has increased by .5 per game in the same minutes(on the defensive level since last season). He doesn't just sit in front of the basket like fatty and get offensive rebounds. He is on the perimeter and he does not get as many rebounds there as fatty.

He is also a better shotblocker.

He is also a better help defender. Frye is not quick to figure out what is going on but he is better than fatty. Fatty has no idea what is going on as the play develops.

He is also a better passer. Frye can also pass the ball when in the post. Curry clearly cannot. Frye needs to develop his low post abilities more and needs to be put in a position to do so by the coach.

You think Frye rebounds are increasing? Really?

He is averaging less rebounds this year than last year and he is getting more minutes this year.

He just doesn't sit in the post like Fatty?


No he just stands by the halfcourt line and tries to shoot. And if he is too nervous that night he might throw the ball away like a spoil milkshake at Friendly's. This is the same Frye that in back to back games has thrown the ball out bounce when he has been wide open for the shot to the nearest Knick City Dancer.

The guy is a 6'11 pf/c that shoots 43% from the field. Yet you think he is a better option than someone that is shooting 58% from the field that demands a triple team.

YOu said he passes better than Eddie ,but how do you know this if Frye has yet to be double or triple teamed in the post.



[Edited by - BigC on 03-15-2007 10:37 PM]
Frye is a better rebounder than Curry. I proved this on realgm awhile ago in a djsunc thread. His defensive rebounds have improved by .5 per game this season in the same minutes he had last year. I will not look it up but Frye is a better rebounder than Curry hands down. He is also also a better shotblocker. He is also a better passer. You have no grounds for an argument here.



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Why would you want to reduce Eddie's minutes when he is producing and is an offensive threat on the court?

Is he producing by per minute stats? Absolutely not. He gets 7 rebounds a game cause he is out there so long. Curry rebounds worse than a small forward(his rate is about 1 rebound per 5 minutes played.) He can absolutely be better than this. He can score in the post, however if teams have the athletic players ready to counter this, perhaps he should go to the bench. These things must be considered by a smart coach. Isiah, however dumb his moves have been in the past, he is a survivor. And, now, his move to survive even further is to make Curry effective in the time he does play. If, Isiah starts to think about surviving as opposed to justifying why he did things in the past this could be a very good team.

Your focused on rebounds of Curry yet he is producing points when he is out there. Is that being effective on the court or not. I'm wondering who do you have in mind to replace Curry since you want him to have lower minutes.

Well, no, you are being silly bigc. Curry is a terrible per minute producer. Every other player on this team produces more per minute then Curry. I would put any other knick on the floor if we are not getting the ball into Curry. I would put Frye out there. I would put balkman out there. I would put lee out there if he was not injured. I would put jeffries out there. ETC, they are all better at doing everything besides scoring then Curry.

You would put Frye out there really? Jeffries? You can't be serious.

You get on Curry for not playing d and not rebounding then you mention Frye? Last couple of games Frye has be running away from the ball which is the opposite of Curry.

Frye in the absence of Curry would be so much better. As I have explained before, Frye's rebounding has increased by .5 per game in the same minutes(on the defensive level since last season). He doesn't just sit in front of the basket like fatty and get offensive rebounds. He is on the perimeter and he does not get as many rebounds there as fatty.

He is also a better shotblocker.

He is also a better help defender. Frye is not quick to figure out what is going on but he is better than fatty. Fatty has no idea what is going on as the play develops.

He is also a better passer. Frye can also pass the ball when in the post. Curry clearly cannot. Frye needs to develop his low post abilities more and needs to be put in a position to do so by the coach.

You think Frye rebounds are increasing? Really?

He is averaging less rebounds this year than last year and he is getting more minutes this year.

He just doesn't sit in the post like Fatty?


No he just stands by the halfcourt line and tries to shoot. And if he is too nervous that night he might throw the ball away like a spoil milkshake at Friendly's. This is the same Frye that in back to back games has thrown the ball out bounce when he has been wide open for the shot to the nearest Knick City Dancer.

The guy is a 6'11 pf/c that shoots 43% from the field. Yet you think he is a better option than someone that is shooting 58% from the field that demands a triple team.

YOu said he passes better than Eddie ,but how do you know this if Frye has yet to be double or triple teamed in the post.



[Edited by - BigC on 03-15-2007 10:37 PM]
Frye is a better rebounder than Curry. I proved this on realgm awhile ago in a djsunc thread. His defensive rebounds have improved by .5 per game this season in the same minutes he had last year. I will not look it up but Frye is a better rebounder than Curry hands down. He is also also a better shotblocker. He is also a better passer. You have no grounds for an argument here.

Are you ok? Really? Now I must ask which banned memember of Realgm are you again?

You really are sounding ridiculous. First you claim that Frye's rebounds have gone up which they haven't this year. Then I guess you found out the truth and you change your little rebounds to "Defensive rebounds."

End of Story.



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3/15/2007  11:24 PM
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.


Bonn I read this board for awhile before I was allowed to post. Overall, I respect what you had to say(albeit I read here and there and not everything). Overall, I was impressed. However, I am curious about why you think Frye wouldn't be good in the right situation?

You weren't allowed to post?
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.

Well it took awhile for my account to be activated. I think I might have tried to activate accounts here before but there were prettier pictures in other places, which confused me.


Bonn I read this board for awhile before I was allowed to post. Overall, I respect what you had to say(albeit I read here and there and not everything). Overall, I was impressed. However, I am curious about why you think Frye wouldn't be good in the right situation?

You weren't allowed to post?

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3/16/2007  12:12 AM
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.


Bonn I read this board for awhile before I was allowed to post. Overall, I respect what you had to say(albeit I read here and there and not everything). Overall, I was impressed. However, I am curious about why you think Frye wouldn't be good in the right situation?
Oh I definitely think Frye would be a nice contributer in the right situation. But right now his confidence looks shot and I think it could take A LOT of time to build it back up. It took 1.5 years of Isiah doing everything he could to praise Curry and build his confidence just to get him to the point where he would finally start asking for the ball on offense. It's worth a try with Frye. It's not like there's much to lose, but I think it would be a long-term project.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-16-2007 12:13 AM]
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according to knickerblogger's numbers fryes rebounding has gone down since last season. without even looking at the numbers thats what I would have figured anyway since frye hasnt been very good this year.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-16-2007 12:22 AM]
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according to knickerblogger's numbers fryes rebounding has gone down since last season. without even looking at the numbers thats what I would have figured anyway since frye hasnt been very good this year.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-16-2007 12:22 AM]

First question, before i go out, are you the same Slimpack for realgm? His defensive rebounding numbers have gone up by .5, which is signigicant when you only play 25 minutes a game. That is what is relevant since he plays on the perimeter.

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according to knickerblogger's numbers fryes rebounding has gone down since last season. without even looking at the numbers thats what I would have figured anyway since frye hasnt been very good this year.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-16-2007 12:22 AM]

First question, before i go out, are you the same Slimpack for realgm? His defensive rebounding numbers have gone up by .5, which is signigicant when you only play 25 minutes a game. That is what is relevant since he plays on the perimeter.

yeah I am. eh maybe your right.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 03-16-2007 01:05 AM]
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The thought of Curry getting fewer minutes so that you can get more out of him is a great one...until you face the reality that it means more minutes for Frye or Jerome James.


Bonn I read this board for awhile before I was allowed to post. Overall, I respect what you had to say(albeit I read here and there and not everything). Overall, I was impressed. However, I am curious about why you think Frye wouldn't be good in the right situation?
Oh I definitely think Frye would be a nice contributer in the right situation. But right now his confidence looks shot and I think it could take A LOT of time to build it back up. It took 1.5 years of Isiah doing everything he could to praise Curry and build his confidence just to get him to the point where he would finally start asking for the ball on offense. It's worth a try with Frye. It's not like there's much to lose, but I think it would be a long-term project.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-16-2007 12:13 AM]

funny how IT insisted on starting frye for so long so he wouldn't hurt his confidence. that was the rationale, right?
Now that Isiah has his extension, does this mean we will see less Curry(and more at the same time)?

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