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3/15/2007  9:45 AM
I think we should just re-up isiah for the next 10 years, anyone that has big victories over the hawks, warriors and a miracle buzzer beater over the wizards and then says he expects to be playing till june, has to really have a plan.

I'm sorry but I think this guy is one of the worst in game coaches in the league, he had eddy trying to guards Barnagani on the three point line for about five minutes which resulted in two back to back game changing three's. His use of players is horrendous, he finally found the one position that jefferies actually can guard, power foward and then he moves him back to the three.

Balkman I am sorry this guy is awesome and does everything you want as a player and compliments curry as well as anyone. He plays 15 minutes has 6pts 5rbs 1stl......Does nothing but grab pick rebounds and keeps possesions alive and lets the franchise play 40 minutes. This guy just swallows the ball and doesn't look for anyone, not to mention he is so turn over prone its scary.

And is Isiah ever going to be critical of Eddy. He was a lose cannon out because he couldn't get the ball, but while i feel for him i have never once herd isiah say he has to do a better job of getting the ball. And if you only shoot 9times how do you turn the ball over six times. Al Jefferson is already better by the way.......

So everyone that has been elated with this season lets remember that the Pacers have mailed it in with the Magic and both have just given us the playoffs on a silver platter. And judging by the way we played last night we are going to find ourselves in the lottery.

Can we be realistic when we look at Isiah, and not judge him against Larry, because he an assistant coach that keeps the players positive and united nothing else
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3/15/2007  9:56 AM
And is Isiah ever going to be critical of Eddy. He was a lose cannon out because he couldn't get the ball, but while i feel for him i have never once herd isiah say he has to do a better job of getting the ball.

he was pretty much cursing & bawling out Curry on the floor for not getting out on Bargnani on the perimeter after he sunk a 3.

i think Curry is just completely confused as to where he should be on defense... on the 1 hand he has people telling him he needs to be up on guys on the perimeter, & then on the other he has people telling him he needs to rotate to cover the lane when guys blow past our G's... plus add to that the fact that he has very weak defensive instincts to begin with.

this is why we need to surround this guy w/defensive minded players, like Balkman (i agree w/u completely about him)... a shotblocker who can fill the lane is the essential need we need to fill before anything else.
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3/15/2007  10:00 AM
Posted by TMS:
And is Isiah ever going to be critical of Eddy. He was a lose cannon out because he couldn't get the ball, but while i feel for him i have never once herd isiah say he has to do a better job of getting the ball.

he was pretty much cursing & bawling out Curry on the floor for not getting out on Bargnani on the perimeter after he sunk a 3.

i think Curry is just completely confused as to where he should be on defense... on the 1 hand he has people telling him he needs to be up on guys on the perimeter, & then on the other he has people telling him he needs to rotate to cover the lane when guys blow past our G's... plus add to that the fact that he has very weak defensive instincts to begin with.

this is why we need to surround this guy w/defensive minded players, like Balkman (i agree w/u completely about him)... a shotblocker who can fill the lane is the essential need we need to fill before anything else.


I agree. Balkman and Q(when healthy) are key to his success. JJ2 seems to be rounding out but I still cringe when he is out there.
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3/15/2007  10:01 AM
I saw that, but yell at yourself Isiah you ****ing idiot why is he out there in the first place, i am willing to bet they never have eddy out there in practice. And if you love eddy so much put collins out there and get him the ball and not turn the ball over like franchise.

Balkman is a highly underatted passer as well, I think channing and our pick to get jeff green needs to be done we need an entire team of energy rebounding and smarts. Because the baby bulls are dumb, which rarley produce wins, but we can cover for eddy. I think Jefferies can be effective guarding the 4-5 against some teams i just don't like him at the three.

When is Isiah going to learn that Channing and Eddy is not a good combo, especially against quicker players.
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3/15/2007  10:03 AM
The sad reality is that if we didn't have francis to deal with and only used crawford for 20 minutes a night I think we would make the playoffs easily, because i think when q is healthy. You can keep yourself in games with defensive players like JJ2, Balkman, Q, Lees energy, collins and you can play to your teams strengths and use crawford, robinson in an iverson like scoring role for short periods of time while not losing much on defense
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3/15/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by MS:

The sad reality is that if we didn't have francis to deal with and only used crawford for 20 minutes a night I think we would make the playoffs easily, because i think when q is healthy. You can keep yourself in games with defensive players like JJ2, Balkman, Q, Lees energy, collins and you can play to your teams strengths and use crawford, robinson in an iverson like scoring role for short periods of time while not losing much on defense

forget playoffs for a second...it's clear as day that there's only one guard on the team that can get the ball to eddy and that's jamal. so that means we need at least two more starting caliber guards here that know how to pass.

we don't have a starting sf. quentin, for all intent and purposes, is finished.

we don't have a starting pf, unless you want to put lee there...which next to curry, probably won't work long term.

and i'm sorry, but curry needs to grow a pair. ok, you're not getting the ball, fine, DO SOMETHING ELSE MAN. play some F'N defense. scream at your guards for letting their man go right around them. just don't scream at them for not getting you the ball. you're a total one dimensional player right now and that's that jump hook.

3-4 new starters. but at least we have a decent bench.
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3/15/2007  10:09 AM
JJ2 is a complete waste... he has a game here & there where he's active on the boards, but the guy can't make a shot, he's a very overrated defender, & he's a turnover waiting to happen... i cringe when he gets the ball in his hands too.
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3/15/2007  10:12 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

forget playoffs for a second...it's clear as day that there's only one guard on the team that can get the ball to eddy and that's jamal.

that's why i want to see Jamal as our starting PG... i don't mind playing Marbury at the SG as long as he's making his shots, but Jamal plays more under control when he's asked to orchestrate.
we don't have a starting pf, unless you want to put lee there...which next to curry, probably won't work long term.

i kinda disagree... i think D Lee plays well alongside Curry... he along w/Jamal are the only guys who consistently look to get him the ball down low.
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3/15/2007  10:13 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

forget playoffs for a second...it's clear as day that there's only one guard on the team that can get the ball to eddy and that's jamal.

that's why i want to see Jamal as our starting PG... i don't mind playing Marbury at the SG as long as he's making his shots, but Jamal plays more under control when he's asked to orchestrate.
we don't have a starting pf, unless you want to put lee there...which next to curry, probably won't work long term.

i kinda disagree... i think D Lee plays well alongside Curry... he along w/Jamal are the only guys who consistently look to get him the ball down low.

those 3 provide very little in the ways of defense. if lee + curry are your starting frontcourt, which big man are they containing? which guards are they turning away from the paint? which shots are they altering?
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3/15/2007  10:17 AM
I really think in the long term it would have been beneficial to have larry still here working with jamal, who was turning into a very complete player and making more of an effort, yeah he was awful last season, but what we are seeing with this team is you can't coach them they play there own way which is sloppy, turnover prone and without any defense.

We need players that love the game and know how to set other teammates up. Not having lee is huge because he always get eddy a few easy looks, i hate when people say we don't have a power foward what more do you want from a guy someone that take 8 shots a game hits 5 of them, makes hustle plays is perhaps the leagues best rebounder and has a brain
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3/15/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by MS:

I saw that, but yell at yourself Isiah you ****ing idiot why is he out there in the first place, i am willing to bet they never have eddy out there in practice. And if you love eddy so much put collins out there and get him the ball and not turn the ball over like franchise.

Balkman is a highly underatted passer as well, I think channing and our pick to get jeff green needs to be done we need an entire team of energy rebounding and smarts. Because the baby bulls are dumb, which rarley produce wins, but we can cover for eddy. I think Jefferies can be effective guarding the 4-5 against some teams i just don't like him at the three.

When is Isiah going to learn that Channing and Eddy is not a good combo, especially against quicker players.

I wasn't able to see the game (work) and I despise Knicks in 60, but you don't have to be a genius to figure out that Curry is at a gigantic disadvantage guarding anyone that has a 3 point shot.

Problem is with the Raps, both Bargnani and Bosh are "perimeter oriented" big men. If you stick Curry on Bosh, IMO he'll pick up a quick few fouls. That being said, Bosh is probably a much better matchup for Curry because Bosh's game is more 15 feet and in and he doesn't have the 3 point shot Bargnani has.
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3/15/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by MS:

I really think in the long term it would have been beneficial to have larry still here working with jamal, who was turning into a very complete player and making more of an effort, yeah he was awful last season, but what we are seeing with this team is you can't coach them they play there own way which is sloppy, turnover prone and without any defense.

We need players that love the game and know how to set other teammates up. Not having lee is huge because he always get eddy a few easy looks, i hate when people say we don't have a power foward what more do you want from a guy someone that take 8 shots a game hits 5 of them, makes hustle plays is perhaps the leagues best rebounder and has a brain

it's not about lee individually, it ain't about curry individually. it's about the pairing of the two.
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3/15/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by TMS:

JJ2 is a complete waste... he has a game here & there where he's active on the boards, but the guy can't make a shot, he's a very overrated defender, & he's a turnover waiting to happen... i cringe when he gets the ball in his hands too.

i dunno, i'm definitely coming around on JJ2

i thought he played excellent first half defense on bosh- who had 4 points at the break. JJ created or contributed to multiple steals i don't think he got credit for. he ran bosh down the court on O and kept him from making any help defense plays. second half was weird, especially the few minutes where he guarded TJ ford with not particularly good results.

i'd love to see more balkman, but i think JJ2 get a raw deal from people on this site for his slow start and lack of *statistical* production. he's an interesting player to keep an eye on in games.
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3/15/2007  11:10 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:

forget playoffs for a second...it's clear as day that there's only one guard on the team that can get the ball to eddy and that's jamal.

that's why i want to see Jamal as our starting PG... i don't mind playing Marbury at the SG as long as he's making his shots, but Jamal plays more under control when he's asked to orchestrate.
we don't have a starting pf, unless you want to put lee there...which next to curry, probably won't work long term.

i kinda disagree... i think D Lee plays well alongside Curry... he along w/Jamal are the only guys who consistently look to get him the ball down low.

those 3 provide very little in the ways of defense. if lee + curry are your starting frontcourt, which big man are they containing? which guards are they turning away from the paint? which shots are they altering?


In order for Lee and Curry to work, it would help tremendously if the Knicks can land a SF in the molds of G Wallace, Josh Smith or Kirilenko. These are unique SF who are great help defenders who can block shots at the rate of a center and all three are good rebounders.

G Wallace is a free agent this summer and he would be my number one target. Question is, do have anything to offer up in a sign and trade to get him?
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3/15/2007  11:17 AM
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In order for Lee and Curry to work, it would help tremendously if the Knicks can land a SF in the molds of G Wallace, Josh Smith or Kirilenko. These are unique SF who are great help defenders who can block shots at the rate of a center and all three are good rebounders.

G Wallace is a free agent this summer and he would be my number one target. Question is, do have anything to offer up in a sign and trade to get him?

what the heck is up with kirilenko? i don't trust a guy who wilts this badly under sloan's direction. i never thought this would happen with ak.
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3/15/2007  11:20 AM
Posted by MS:

I saw that, but yell at yourself Isiah you ****ing idiot why is he out there in the first place, i am willing to bet they never have eddy out there in practice. And if you love eddy so much put collins out there and get him the ball and not turn the ball over like franchise.

Balkman is a highly underatted passer as well, I think channing and our pick to get jeff green needs to be done we need an entire team of energy rebounding and smarts. Because the baby bulls are dumb, which rarley produce wins, but we can cover for eddy. I think Jefferies can be effective guarding the 4-5 against some teams i just don't like him at the three.

When is Isiah going to learn that Channing and Eddy is not a good combo, especially against quicker players.

Well, he is out there because he has to guard someone and Barganani is 7' tall. Moreover, Clyde said that guarding Barganani is something the Kincks worked on and Curry just did not do a good job. The problem was all the Toronto big men could shoot. So regardless of whether you put Curry on Bosh or Grabosa (?) you were going to have him on a big man that could shoot. So the logical thing to do is to put him on the 21 year old rookie and try to tell Curry what to do.

Now I will agree that IT should have pulled Francis. I was screaming to get that guy out of there because he is terrible on defense and a turnover waiting to happen on offense. Plus he was passing up open shots all game. I have rarely seen someone so careless with the ball in the 4th quarter. Let Collins get those minutes. He is less turnover prone and plays solid defense, which we needed last night. Francis's game is just too undisciplined to remain on this team.
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3/15/2007  11:39 AM
did you read the amechi stuff saying what an ******* sloan is, and that malone thought so as well, you never know but if we can dumb crawford and frye or someone and frye perhaps, maybe we can get charlotte to sign and trade him for frye and cash who knows, love wallace
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3/15/2007  12:17 PM
The man has spent a couple of hundred million dollars and all he has to show for it is really david lee and balkman

eddy can't do anything when he isn't being force fed and he is a turnover machine, its great to root for a franchise that extends failure
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3/15/2007  12:42 PM
MS they're not trading Crawford. Did you ever see the difference between his starter and bench numbers?

JC starter:

20.8 ppg
5.0 apg
3.6 rpg
1.1 spg
41.2 FG%
35% 3-FG


Major. Obviously, you will just have to accept the fact that Jamal brings something to the team. You let your personal hatred for him get in the way of the things he does. Its not all about FG% damn it.

Also, CURRY needs a GUARD or GUARDS to get him the ball. marbury is playing the scorer role but it is both good and bad. francis is absolutely a disgusting player and it makes me wonder how in God's name he was ever given a max contract.

How in the name of the Lord do we have two max paid guards that scored over 20 pts per night with 5 and 8 assists a piece career-wise that really CANNOT get him the ball. Its hard to blame Steph because he is carrying the load but once those 3's stop falling for him, we will lose by double digits every game. YOU ARE MISSING THE GUARD THAT GETS A VERY HIGH percentage shooter (crawford to Curry) the ball.

Crawford's value is being shown easily with Curry and all. Just get over it already.

Let's examine:

6 GAMES w/o JC

15.6 ppg
44.4% FG
4.2 topg

57 GAMES with Jamal (he missed JC's 52 point game)

19.6 ppg
59.3% fg
3.5 topg

Evidently Jamal has something to do with Curry!





[Edited by - queeniepop on 03-15-2007 12:44 PM]
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3/15/2007  12:55 PM
Toronto is terrible matchup for Curry defensively, but this goes both ways. If Marbury and/or Francis was feeding Curry the correct way at the beginning of the game then you get those 7' shooting fools in foul trouble. Also, this gives Curry the added incentive to play better on D. A sad state of affairs to entice a player to work but is needed with Big Eddy.
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