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MS
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3/14/2007  10:10 AM
Just a healthy debate, since we are going to be playing till June and with the way "We" are playing especially if we had Jamal and Lee there is no telling what would have happend (From the guy that saw fit to fire Norman Scott and replace him with a doctor that didn't locate Crawford stress fracture or diagnosed Lee missing only two games)

Ty Thomas (huge project turnover machine right now needs at least two years)
23pts 9rbs 1blk (5to's)
March numbers (5 games)7.8pts 5.6rbs 1.6blks 0.4ass 1.4stls 3.4tos 20minutes
-60blks on the season averages 12 minutes a night

Aldridge
24pts 17rbs 4blks
March Numbers (5 games) 15.6pts 9.2rbs 1.6blks 0.7stls 1.0tos 28minutes
-57blks on the season

Roy
16pts 6ass 6rbs 4stls last night (Season 15.9pts 4ass 4rbs 1.26stls 1.86tos)
March Numbers (5 games) 18pts 6.6ass 4.8rbs 1.4stl 2.4 tos 27 minutes

Curry
March Numbers (only 4 games, january averaged 20pts 7.5rbs 3.3tos 0.5blk 0.6stls)
16.3pts 7.0rbs 1.8ass 3.8tos 0.3stls 0.3
-34blks on the season

Injuries are unfortunate, but with Lee sidelined, Crawford Out, and Q hurting its not out of the question with a tough schedule remaining that we could slip back into the lottery. Although Orlando, and the Pacers are doing everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen, it should be brought up right now.

The Hawks have 26wins (Smith is turning into a superstar i know no one wanted to try to send frye down there for smith except TMS and a few others like myself but he is turning into a star), Philly has 25wins, and the conference is really moving in the right direction and we need a little luck to stay in the playoff race and need portland and memphis to take the top two picks.

The knicks have to be very careful, i think Isiah is really inflating these players, and i think they already think they are better than they are, if we fall out of the race we are in severe trouble, we need to just lock the 8th spot to keep the bulls out of the lottery picture
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3/14/2007  10:24 AM
For a rebuilding team, there's not many players in the league I'd give up 4 draft picks for, including a #2 pick and another that may be in the lottery. And Curry sure aint one of them.
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3/14/2007  10:43 AM
Posted by MS:

Just a healthy debate, since we are going to be playing till June and with the way "We" are playing especially if we had Jamal and Lee there is no telling what would have happend (From the guy that saw fit to fire Norman Scott and replace him with a doctor that didn't locate Crawford stress fracture or diagnosed Lee missing only two games)

Ty Thomas (huge project turnover machine right now needs at least two years)
23pts 9rbs 1blk (5to's)
March numbers (5 games)7.8pts 5.6rbs 1.6blks 0.4ass 1.4stls 3.4tos 20minutes
-60blks on the season averages 12 minutes a night

Aldridge
24pts 17rbs 4blks
March Numbers (5 games) 15.6pts 9.2rbs 1.6blks 0.7stls 1.0tos 28minutes
-57blks on the season

Roy
16pts 6ass 6rbs 4stls last night (Season 15.9pts 4ass 4rbs 1.26stls 1.86tos)
March Numbers (5 games) 18pts 6.6ass 4.8rbs 1.4stl 2.4 tos 27 minutes

Curry
March Numbers (only 4 games, january averaged 20pts 7.5rbs 3.3tos 0.5blk 0.6stls)
16.3pts 7.0rbs 1.8ass 3.8tos 0.3stls 0.3
-34blks on the season

Injuries are unfortunate, but with Lee sidelined, Crawford Out, and Q hurting its not out of the question with a tough schedule remaining that we could slip back into the lottery. Although Orlando, and the Pacers are doing everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen, it should be brought up right now.

The Hawks have 26wins (Smith is turning into a superstar i know no one wanted to try to send frye down there for smith except TMS and a few others like myself but he is turning into a star), Philly has 25wins, and the conference is really moving in the right direction and we need a little luck to stay in the playoff race and need portland and memphis to take the top two picks.

The knicks have to be very careful, i think Isiah is really inflating these players, and i think they already think they are better than they are, if we fall out of the race we are in severe trouble, we need to just lock the 8th spot to keep the bulls out of the lottery picture


why do you throw that "superstar" word around. I notice a lot of people do that. Smith is turning into a good player, superstar? Just stop it. If we are going to have a logical debate, you must stop with the ridiculous overrating of players, and calling everyone who put up good numbers in short stretches, superstars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Howard is turning into a superstar, Carmelo is turning into a superstar, chris bosh is turning into a superstar. Josh smith is turning into a good player!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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3/14/2007  10:47 AM
This looks like Deja-wu for me.
Same story was with Rangers when they have Lindros, Bure, and other damaged goods.
At some point this will just fall apart and they will need to start from scratch. Obviously not with the guys like IT…
But Hay... You never know...
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3/14/2007  10:47 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by MS:

Just a healthy debate, since we are going to be playing till June and with the way "We" are playing especially if we had Jamal and Lee there is no telling what would have happend (From the guy that saw fit to fire Norman Scott and replace him with a doctor that didn't locate Crawford stress fracture or diagnosed Lee missing only two games)

Ty Thomas (huge project turnover machine right now needs at least two years)
23pts 9rbs 1blk (5to's)
March numbers (5 games)7.8pts 5.6rbs 1.6blks 0.4ass 1.4stls 3.4tos 20minutes
-60blks on the season averages 12 minutes a night

Aldridge
24pts 17rbs 4blks
March Numbers (5 games) 15.6pts 9.2rbs 1.6blks 0.7stls 1.0tos 28minutes
-57blks on the season

Roy
16pts 6ass 6rbs 4stls last night (Season 15.9pts 4ass 4rbs 1.26stls 1.86tos)
March Numbers (5 games) 18pts 6.6ass 4.8rbs 1.4stl 2.4 tos 27 minutes

Curry
March Numbers (only 4 games, january averaged 20pts 7.5rbs 3.3tos 0.5blk 0.6stls)
16.3pts 7.0rbs 1.8ass 3.8tos 0.3stls 0.3
-34blks on the season

Injuries are unfortunate, but with Lee sidelined, Crawford Out, and Q hurting its not out of the question with a tough schedule remaining that we could slip back into the lottery. Although Orlando, and the Pacers are doing everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen, it should be brought up right now.

The Hawks have 26wins (Smith is turning into a superstar i know no one wanted to try to send frye down there for smith except TMS and a few others like myself but he is turning into a star), Philly has 25wins, and the conference is really moving in the right direction and we need a little luck to stay in the playoff race and need portland and memphis to take the top two picks.

The knicks have to be very careful, i think Isiah is really inflating these players, and i think they already think they are better than they are, if we fall out of the race we are in severe trouble, we need to just lock the 8th spot to keep the bulls out of the lottery picture


why do you throw that "superstar" word around. I notice a lot of people do that. Smith is turning into a good player, superstar? Just stop it. If we are going to have a logical debate, you must stop with the ridiculous overrating of players, and calling everyone who put up good numbers in short stretches, superstars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Howard is turning into a superstar, Carmelo is turning into a superstar, chris bosh is turning into a superstar. Josh smith is turning into a good player!!

Stole the words right off my keyboard.....

March numbers? Yeah never mind the previous 4 months....and its always good to post numbers right after each have career games.

"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
MS
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3/14/2007  11:24 AM
Ok Whatever.....But lets just compare some stats and look at upside, all those players you mentioned are great players, superstars in fact, but i am willing to bet if smith shot the ball 11 times more a game, he would hit at least four so he would be averaging 23pts in that event would you call him a superstar? Its a lot closer than you would think, and lets just for one second say he had a pg feeding him the ball. You put him on the Suns, Jazz, Hornets, Nets the kid is averaging 20 plus without taking another shot.

The kid is 21 years old, and i don't think its unfair to say
15.4pts 8.3rbs 3.2ass 2.8blks 1.4stls (12.5shots attempted)

Melo is 22
29.8pts 6.1rbs 4.0ass 0.4blks 1.1stls (23.5shots attempted)

Bosh at 22
22.8pts 10.rbs 2.4ass 1.4blks 0.5stls (15.8shots attempted)

Howard at 21
18pts 12rbs 1.8ass 1.9blks 0.9stls (10.9 shots attempted)

My point is this the Hawks have 26 wins and cap space, they could easily sign billups over market and then we are behind them, Eddy Curry is this franchise talent but we have 29 wins, he is 24 years old and we could have easily had another great big or a good guard for the future, where are we in this conference in the next couple of years?
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3/14/2007  11:35 AM
We have 29 wins, but it's safe to say that next year by this time we'll probably have more wins than that. Just remember how poorly we started 5-11. How we had all those issues at home. Stuff like that won't happen next year.

When it comes to Centers, you can't really compare what they mean to a team with other positions. They can set the tone for a teams entire offense or defense. In Curry's case his contributions are on offense. However he gives us what few other young teams have. A dominant inside presence. We don't have to have superstars everywhere else, but if we can add just the right mix around him, we'll be a contender.

I like all of the players you mentioned, but I like them better WITH Curry. You add a serious perimeter SG/SF to this team and you'll see just how much having Curry really means. I think we're in great position as a franchise, to add that player that can put us over the top. In the next few years.
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3/14/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by nixluva:

I think we're in great position as a franchise, to add that player that can put us over the top. In the next few years.

i was surprised to read this comment.

we're just one player and a few years away?

how do you see us getting a star player? who do we trade?
MS
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3/14/2007  11:44 AM
I just don't see our position as a franchise that everyone keeps mentioning, including our owner, we are so ****ed cap wise and really have to depend on frye having balls, balkman and jefferies getting a jumper and isiah not overvaluing another players worth which he has done big time, francis, malik, jj's, etc locking in terrible deals.....

Next year I expect a 43-39 season, and i don't think you can expect much more than that.....

Curry does three things very well and then his games a disaster, command a double, score down low and get players into foul trouble, if he works to improve his game and we add someone like pietrus and move crawford and frye in a package to get an asset i think we have a bright future...
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3/14/2007  12:06 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nixluva:

I think we're in great position as a franchise, to add that player that can put us over the top. In the next few years.

i was surprised to read this comment.

we're just one player and a few years away?

how do you see us getting a star player? who do we trade?

Who said it had to be a star in the sense that most people mean it. How about a VERY good swingman? There are LOTS of players that come out of the draft every year that perform at a high level, tho just below that of the superstars. Imagine a Kevin Martin type. We have a chance to draft someone like that. What i'm saying is that too often we think that the team is stuck and that's not true. How many GM's would like a David Lee right about now. People weren't saying that during the draft. Many wanted someone else with that pick. I also didn't mean to imply that we only need one player, but it would help to get the right guy to fill that need. I like Q, but he's not dynamic enough and his health is a problem.

We have a very nice C/F contingent. Curry, Lee, Frye, Jared and Balkman should develop as a group quite nicely. We have some good guards. But we're missing that SF who has that game teams fear. With that player, this team is a VERY potent inside/out team. Isiah is going to have to make some hard decisions this off season. Right now we still have some balance issues.

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3/14/2007  12:11 PM
I like Curry, Lee, Balkman

But Frye and Jefferies are not very good players, Q can't be moved, he won't move Crawford, can't move james and rose, so where is this player going to come from, we have to hit a homerun in the draft which seems unlikely, and isiah has proven that he can't make a great move, curry is the closest thing to a nice move he made.....

Mo and Malik awful, Francis awful, Van Horn awful for chemistry, Crawford terrible
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3/14/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by MS:

I like Curry, Lee, Balkman

But Frye and Jefferies are not very good players, Q can't be moved, he won't move Crawford, can't move james and rose, so where is this player going to come from, we have to hit a homerun in the draft which seems unlikely, and isiah has proven that he can't make a great move, curry is the closest thing to a nice move he made.....

Mo and Malik awful, Francis awful, Van Horn awful for chemistry, Crawford terrible

The way you make it sound. You'd think we only had 3 players. I also wouldn't call it a homerun in the draft. Isiah seems to always find someone with a good level of talent. Frye and Jeffries are capable of playing better than we've seen for much of this season. They are still a work in progress, but Isiah seems to have them working on their games and they have been making solid contributions of late. I mean really, how many teams have a group of young big guys like we have in Curry, Lee, Jared and Frye? I can tell you not a lot. Just remember that these guys haven't even reached their peak yet!!!

We have a tendency not to appreciate the players we have for some reason. Deals can be made and i'm sure that somehow Isiah will find a way to get the player(S) we need. That in addition to the team growing from within a bit too.
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3/14/2007  12:30 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by nixluva:

I think we're in great position as a franchise, to add that player that can put us over the top. In the next few years.

i was surprised to read this comment.

we're just one player and a few years away?

how do you see us getting a star player? who do we trade?

We have the fewest assets and are in the worst position in the league to add a franchise player. We're gonna have to do it with a draft pick in the 20s or with the MLE or with our tiny trade assets! Jeez

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-14-2007 12:31 PM]
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3/14/2007  12:33 PM
Posted by MS:

Ok Whatever.....But lets just compare some stats and look at upside, all those players you mentioned are great players, superstars in fact, but i am willing to bet if smith shot the ball 11 times more a game, he would hit at least four so he would be averaging 23pts in that event would you call him a superstar? Its a lot closer than you would think, and lets just for one second say he had a pg feeding him the ball. You put him on the Suns, Jazz, Hornets, Nets the kid is averaging 20 plus without taking another shot.

The kid is 21 years old, and i don't think its unfair to say
15.4pts 8.3rbs 3.2ass 2.8blks 1.4stls (12.5shots attempted)

Melo is 22
29.8pts 6.1rbs 4.0ass 0.4blks 1.1stls (23.5shots attempted)

Bosh at 22
22.8pts 10.rbs 2.4ass 1.4blks 0.5stls (15.8shots attempted)

Howard at 21
18pts 12rbs 1.8ass 1.9blks 0.9stls (10.9 shots attempted)

My point is this the Hawks have 26 wins and cap space, they could easily sign billups over market and then we are behind them, Eddy Curry is this franchise talent but we have 29 wins, he is 24 years old and we could have easily had another great big or a good guard for the future, where are we in this conference in the next couple of years?


come on man, 11 more shots a game? first of all, josh will never get to take 11 more shots a game, just isn't happenning, but to play your game, are you saying that if lee take 11 more shots a game, shooting his league leding 60+% from the field, that means he would hit almost 7 more shots, and 14 more PPG, so that would put lee at 25/10.... Hell lee would be among the leagues best players..... Hell yea..... Lets Do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3/14/2007  12:57 PM
i would trade Frye, Balkman, Nate AND CHI's pick right now for Josh Smith, & i love Balkman... i'm sure there are those of you who think that's way too much, but trust me, that kid is going to be a star.
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3/14/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by TMS:

i would trade Frye, Balkman, Nate AND CHI's pick right now for Josh Smith, & i love Balkman... i'm sure there are those of you who think that's way too much, but trust me, that kid is going to be a star.

last season i proposed a frye + nate for josh smith deal.

we'd be lucky to get josh childress for that deal.
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3/14/2007  1:29 PM
Josh Smith is going nowhere, have you seen the way he's been playing with Joe Johnson out?
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3/14/2007  1:29 PM
"My point is this the Hawks have 26 wins and cap space, they could easily sign billups over market and then we are behind them"

And at that point, I hope everyone comes on this forum and moan about how the Hawks have just established their ceiling at 45 wins for the next 4-5 years by blowing their money on an aging star.
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3/14/2007  1:31 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Josh Smith is going nowhere, have you seen the way he's been playing with Joe Johnson out?

yup, they'd be crazy to trade him for anything short of a bonafide stud player now.

[Edited by - TMS on 03-14-2007 1:32 PM]
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3/14/2007  1:33 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:

i would trade Frye, Balkman, Nate AND CHI's pick right now for Josh Smith, & i love Balkman... i'm sure there are those of you who think that's way too much, but trust me, that kid is going to be a star.

last season i proposed a frye + nate for josh smith deal.

we'd be lucky to get josh childress for that deal.

no way would i want Josh Childress for that package... Balkman will be a better player IMO.
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