i care i want them to show progress, you cant win every year but getting better is the first step to winning it all

With that said, I think I'll venture to MCI Center to cheer the Knicks in person.

I plays 'em one game at a time

Posted by BRIGGS:

i know we wont win it--watching more games is cool--but if I cant win the whole darn thing--the only thing i truly look forward to is transactions to improve the team. i dont see how the team *as is* is going to get to that goal--anyone else??? I see other teams just in our division who have superior youth and more assets to acquire even more talent--i keep getting the feeling IT thinks this is it or close to it and he is OVERRATING frye jefferies and not taking into account that at some point marbury is going to slow down a tad. there are some things there and if we want to be a player within marburys window 2 more years imo--they better come up with one helluva plan. i dont think making the playoffs UNLESS you are .500 is an accomplishment--it's more for entertainment--but there is no bottom line hit there--we went to the playoffs 3 years ago--what did that yield?

People have been saying(myself included) this for awhile now, it's nothing new.

We surpassed last year's win total. We made evident progress. Stop HATING!

Posted by OasisBU:

I care about the Knicks no matter what - sure the season doesnt have the excitement of a championship run but its still good to see some improvement over last season. No matter what I will always care - we have been to the bottom and hopefully will ride to the top - so why not?

Of course I care--but I'm not convinced in any fashion that the talent that we have assembled is CLOSE to a team that can win it all--really the only thing I care about. SO what I have to look forward to IS IF the management can IMPROVE the team to a level where there is a viability to get there. I don't know if we are in position to make the moves possible to do this?

And point 2--is Steve Francis part of the championship equation? If not--why spend the 20mm[yeah i know its not my loot]it makes NO sense--the ONLY sense that I can make out of it is a desperation to MAKE the playoffs--just to raise ticket $$$$--I mean Ive been around the block:) they want to make that money back by making the playoffs--grabbing that revenue and increasing tickets--it was a BUSINESS decision--not a forward-thinking championship decision--because Francis wont behere at that point IF we even get there--I'm very scared and have been that we are in for a 15-20 year drought at the big time.

Posted by chislic:

I'd really like to see us make the playoffs. So yeah, I care. It would really boost the team's confidence, but most importantly it will give our young guys playoff experience.

If I truly believed the players *here* wer part of a team that could get it done someday--maybe Id be with you. I think with Marbury with a small window--Curry--I think if I had a chance at a Gasol to put next to Curry and then vet the team up--I might do that.

Posted by JrZyHuStLa:

Player transactions aren't the only thing that make teams better. It's apparently one of the biggest reasons for improvement, but you can't discount the value of a team like the Knicks making the playoffs. No matter what the situation, as a coach you always want your players to get that playoff experience, and I think that will help big time for the future. Making blockbuster trades and acquisitions in the offseason alone will not get you a championship right away. There's always that learning phase all teams go through, and for the Knicks the current learning phase requires them to make the playoffs, so you can't say this season is pointless. MJ had suffered several playoff losses to the Pistons before his reigning years. Kobe airballed a game winner against the Jazz before the Lakers championship years. Its all about the learning phase.

So what I'm saying is that its pretty much impossible for a new look team to directly win a ring.

yeah but this team isn't all that young. plus we don't have a franchise player, or many trade assets, and the draft situation isn't very good either. it's just very hard seeing this team going very far. of course they'll get better though.

There are many factors that determine how well a team does on a year by year basis. People shouldn't assume that this team will simply win more and more games until eventually they are championship contenders. the bucks made the playoffs last season but they won't this season, and they are an even younger team than us. if the Knicks have a chance of being contenders in the upcoming years than so do the wizards, who are just as young as we are plus better. But I personally don't see how it will happen for either team.

and also I still don't know what this team plans to do 3 seasons from now when marbury's contract has expired. he's the best player on our team, so I don't see how the knicks will become alot better team than they are now when he's gone.

OF all the teams in the East, the KNICKS are one of only two teams with a LEGIT bigman to fashion a team around. He doesn't have to be perfect. How much has Howard and all of his GREAT defense, blocks and rebounding helped the Magic? There's more to it than that. When it comes to building a team, you have to deal with your top players strengths and fill in the rest. That's what is happening here, but as usual FEW are really interested in allowing time for that to happen.

I'm really getting tired of people saying we don't have Franchise players. That's really not the point. We have Curry and we have Lee. Those 2 are going to be a big part of this thing going forward. We have Steph right now and he's obviously STILL CAPABLE of getting it done. He JUST turned 30 and there are guards that are much older than him still able to make solid contributions to a team. Steph isn't going to have to carry the team when it's fully healthy. He can settle back into a role of being a facilitator and pick his spots. Down the line the younger players will improve and we'll add some additional help i'm sure. The way some of you talk, you'd think we won't get better in any way.

We also have a lot of useful role players. I still think Frye will be better than he's shown this year. It could just be one of those Sophmore jinx type of things. You know he's gonna work hard in the off season. I really like Balkman and Collins off the bench. As they develop I can see them being very useful. I don't even think we've seen the best of Jared either. He's had some moments where you could see how he can be very helpful, but he hasn't been able to do that consistently. This is a decent team in the process of developing and I don't think we're any worse off than any other emerging young team.

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Posted by nixluva:

OF all the teams in the East, the KNICKS are one of only two teams with a LEGIT bigman


Al Jefferson
Jermaine Oneal
Dwight Howard
Andrew Bogut
Chris Bosh
Emeka Okafor
Possibly Greg Oden
Nenad Krstic
Samuel Dalembart