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BigC
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3/4/2007  9:52 PM
Or should the Knicks find someone else to coach next year?
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3/4/2007  9:54 PM
I still question Isiah as GM, but I say Isiah is okay as coach, especially with this particular group he's put together.
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3/4/2007  9:57 PM
No, it means that the conference was really weak this year with 2 teams hit hard by injuries and underachievement. If those teams had done anything remotely close to what they should have done the Knicks would be 5 games out of the playoffs.

The Knicks are still as bad as they have been the past 7 years. It's the competition that has come back to them.

If Isiah is doing a good coaching job then so were others who were fired for their performance. Some by Isiah.
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3/4/2007  10:04 PM
I would rather Isiah is gone all together but if he stays as coach, I wouldn't mind all to much, he's a decent coach. You know Rick Adelman is still out there and I think he'd be the perfect coach for the team. I think its imperative that Isiah the GM is replaced.
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3/4/2007  10:05 PM
Posted by islesfan:

No, it means that the conference was really weak this year with 2 teams hit hard by injuries and underachievement. If those teams had done anything remotely close to what they should have done the Knicks would be 5 games out of the playoffs.

The Knicks are still as bad as they have been the past 7 years. It's the competition that has come back to them.

If Isiah is doing a good coaching job then so were others who were fired for their performance. Some by Isiah.

um, no, the Eastern conference was just as bad last year, with the exception of Miami, and the Knicks were nowhere near playoff consideration.

give me a break. the rest of the league has "come back to them"? it's called parity, and for the Knicks after Larry Brown's sad pants-wetting of a coaching job, being part of the pack is a major improvement.

the Knicks are 19-16 in their last 35 games. the Bulls are 20-15 in the their 35 games. Cleveland is 19-16 in their 35 games. Washington is 21-14 in their last 35 games.

since washing off the stink of Larry Brown and learning how to play as a team they are on pace with the good young teams in the Eastern Conference, despite some pretty big injuries. Deal with it.
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3/4/2007  10:06 PM
Posted by BigC:

Or should the Knicks find someone else to coach next year?

I think Thomas coaching has made this team less in-fighting, which is resulting in the kind of record they were capable of last year. He's an upgrade, but I still think we need a better coach and I think it's time we get a better GM also. I think Zeke did everything that he could do and I don't think he can do much more.
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

No, it means that the conference was really weak this year with 2 teams hit hard by injuries and underachievement. If those teams had done anything remotely close to what they should have done the Knicks would be 5 games out of the playoffs.

The Knicks are still as bad as they have been the past 7 years. It's the competition that has come back to them.

If Isiah is doing a good coaching job then so were others who were fired for their performance. Some by Isiah.

um, no, the Eastern conference was just as bad last year, with the exception of Miami, and the Knicks were nowhere near playoff consideration.

give me a break. the rest of the league has "come back to them"? it's called parity, and for the Knicks after Larry Brown's sad pants-wetting of a coaching job, being part of the pack is a major improvement.

the Knicks are 19-16 in their last 35 games. the Bulls are 20-15 in the their 35 games. Cleveland is 19-16 in their 35 games. Washington is 21-14 in their last 35 games.

since washing off the stink of Larry Brown and learning how to play as a team they are on pace with the good young teams in the Eastern Conference, despite some pretty big injuries. Deal with it.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!!!!!!!!


You want to make a friendly wager right now that 8 teams in the LEASTERN CONFERENCE will win 40 or more games?


You want to make a friendly wager 3 teams in the LEASTERN CONFERENCE will win 49gms or more games?


That's what happened last yr my friend. The Conf is far worst than last yr for many reasons.
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3/4/2007  10:54 PM
4949 - who do you have in mind?
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3/4/2007  11:03 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

No, it means that the conference was really weak this year with 2 teams hit hard by injuries and underachievement. If those teams had done anything remotely close to what they should have done the Knicks would be 5 games out of the playoffs.

The Knicks are still as bad as they have been the past 7 years. It's the competition that has come back to them.

If Isiah is doing a good coaching job then so were others who were fired for their performance. Some by Isiah.

um, no, the Eastern conference was just as bad last year, with the exception of Miami, and the Knicks were nowhere near playoff consideration.

give me a break. the rest of the league has "come back to them"? it's called parity, and for the Knicks after Larry Brown's sad pants-wetting of a coaching job, being part of the pack is a major improvement.

the Knicks are 19-16 in their last 35 games. the Bulls are 20-15 in the their 35 games. Cleveland is 19-16 in their 35 games. Washington is 21-14 in their last 35 games.

since washing off the stink of Larry Brown and learning how to play as a team they are on pace with the good young teams in the Eastern Conference, despite some pretty big injuries. Deal with it.

Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong!!!!!!!!!


You want to make a friendly wager right now that 8 teams in the LEASTERN CONFERENCE will win 40 or more games?


You want to make a friendly wager 3 teams in the LEASTERN CONFERENCE will win 49gms or more games?


That's what happened last yr my friend. The Conf is far worst than last yr for many reasons.

I'm wrong about Chicago, Cleveland and Washington's records? Feel free to double check.

Wait, are you saying injuries are an excuse for other teams, but not for the Knicks? Because the only difference between the confs. this year and last has been injuries. Miami's record is far worse, New Jersey's is too, both due to injuries, but what else is different?
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3/4/2007  11:10 PM
Who is the better coach...

Isiah Thomas or Lawrence Frank?
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3/4/2007  11:15 PM
Who is the better GM...

Isiah Thomas or Rod Thorn?
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3/5/2007  12:15 AM
Right now i'd give Isiah the nod over both Frank and Thorn. Isiah's team is much more set for the future than the Nets. Isiah's team fights harder right now than the Nets. I like Frank as a coach. His team has the look of a well coached team. Rod is one fo the best GM's out there, but he hasn't really gotten much done since the Finals teams. Those teams weren't good enough to win it all and I don't see them getting that close again.

If Isiah can get a shooter in here like a Kyle Korver, just imagine how potent this team will be. He seems to have filled many of our other needs so far. Curry, Frye, Lee and Nate last year. Jared, Balkman and Collins this year. These players are the core of this teams present and future and all are here due to Isiah. There's no doubt that he's been able to get this group to play as a team and to believe in each other. You have to give him credit for that. How often have we seen this team fight back from large deficits to either win or get back into games?
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3/5/2007  12:20 AM
Thorn's the better GM no doubt. Isiah has made some nice draft choices but Thorn got Marcus Williams which is a good fit for the team. He got Vince Carter for pennies on the dollar and the team is still afloat with RJ and Kristic out. Isiah got Lee, Frye, Balkman and Nate are decent picks. But otherwise it hasn't been pretty. Jury's out on the Curry trade, but JJ1 & 2, Francis annd Taylor are pretty bad trades/signings.

Posted by nixluva:

Right now i'd give Isiah the nod over both Frank and Thorn. Isiah's team is much more set for the future than the Nets. Isiah's team fights harder right now than the Nets. I like Frank as a coach. His team has the look of a well coached team. Rod is one fo the best GM's out there, but he hasn't really gotten much done since the Finals teams. Those teams weren't good enough to win it all and I don't see them getting that close again.

If Isiah can get a shooter in here like a Kyle Korver, just imagine how potent this team will be. He seems to have filled many of our other needs so far. Curry, Frye, Lee and Nate last year. Jared, Balkman and Collins this year. These players are the core of this teams present and future and all are here due to Isiah. There's no doubt that he's been able to get this group to play as a team and to believe in each other. You have to give him credit for that. How often have we seen this team fight back from large deficits to either win or get back into games?
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3/5/2007  1:21 AM
Posted by misterearl:

4949 - who do you have in mind?

Hmmmm, honest truth? I really don't know at this time. But I know that Thomas has not done anything really significant in the several years he's been here, so it's just one of those things. We need a couple of changes here.
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3/5/2007  12:36 PM
i'd be OK w/Isiah coaching this team if they could get in a new GM to handle all the personnel decisions... i just think too much water has gone under the bridge & Isiah has now developed a negative stigma in the eyes of the fans, media & his peers for him not to get fleeced in other deals he makes w/NBA GM's now.

a guy like Jerry Colangelo who wouldn't be afraid to bring in some Euro talent would be my ideal to replace him.
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3/5/2007  12:51 PM
4949 - it's one thing to suggest change, for whatever eason

Quite another to back it up with an alternative backed by a thoughtful rationale

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3/5/2007  1:24 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Who is the better GM...

Isiah Thomas or Rod Thorn?

Isiah for coach, Thorn for GM
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3/5/2007  1:45 PM
To put some thoughts in the line of opinions:

IT is player mentality coach.
Look how he approaching games.
He has no plan; he is not changing the strategy based on the opponent.
He just watches the game for 6-12 minutes.
If the team is good match-up for us and IT style we will break even but mostly sink in big hole of 10-16 points.
Then Isiah will do lineup and other adjustments and we will start claiming up the hole. Looks familiar?

We need a coach with coach mentality - professional who approaching the game with the knowledge of the opponent. The coach who is developing players and not just letting them do only what they can do well already.

Who is improved his game under IT? Nobody… We have some players like Jamal, Nete, Fry are all regressed from last year.
Eddy and even lee and Balk with all their desire are stuck with their weaknesses.

IT is soo bad as a coach and GM - get him out or use him like motivational speaker. We can use his strong side too (to bad he is not a player any more)


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3/5/2007  1:45 PM
JW44 - you think Isiah and Thorn inherited similar franchises?
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3/5/2007  1:53 PM
I hope that gm question was a joke......

The nets and magic are collapsing, we are still under .500 he has done an ok job as a coach nothing mind blowing
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