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If Marbury has "changed his approach" why are his Assists down?
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Elite
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2/27/2007  12:48 PM
I actually think Steph has played well this year. But just putting it out there.. you would think he would be averaging 9 assists per game since he is not looking to score as much.

Any opinions on why his assists are down so much? Last night he only had 2
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2/27/2007  12:52 PM
He has changed somewhat in that he isn't a ball stopper/hogger. In ISAYUGH's push/halfcourt offense he doesn't require 1 main point gaurd to be the ball distibutor, in terms of assist. Any ball handler can get assist as long as the ball moves. He's still garbage in my eyes because he picks and chooses, he isn't consistent with his point gaurd responsibilities and his BB IQ is still very low. One last thing the Curry affect. When the ball enters the post Curry normally takes a few dribbles before he scores and probably takes away a few assist and even Crawford to a degree always has to put the ball on the floor before he chucks.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-27-2007 11:54 AM]
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2/27/2007  12:56 PM
Problem is there are large portions of the game when he's not looking to do anything.
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2/27/2007  1:03 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Problem is there are large portions of the game when he's not looking to do anything.

I sense that too. He doesent understand that you can be involved and agressive JUST passing. He should watch the rookie sophmore game and see how Deron Williams/Chris Paul played. Sure it was a rookie game but thats the attitude he should have.

Dont mean to bash Steph, he played well last night but we are towards the bottom of the league in assists and i think we need to up it in that area
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Posted by Elite:

I actually think Steph has played well this year. But just putting it out there.. you would think he would be averaging 9 assists per game since he is not looking to score as much.

Any opinions on why his assists are down so much? Last night he only had 2

He's not dominating the ball anymore and is giving it up earlier. Nash dominates the ball, and usually makes direct passes that lead to assists.
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2/27/2007  1:23 PM
You know it's funny but Steph is the floor general of one of the better offensive teams in the league and yet he's often the most criticized PG I can think of. If he was jacking up shots like Arenas or Bibby that wouldn't help us one bit. This year the scoring is spread around much better and that is a testament to how Steph is playing. You can't have it both ways. Allow him to continue to gain a sense of this style of play which is not his natural tendency.

If we had a deadeye shooter like Kapono, do you realize how much better this offense would be? It's NOT STEPH! Jamal shoots 40% and Q 41% and those are our main perimeter shooters!!! That's why we have to focus on the Post and Eddy. The team FG% is 46% because of Eddy and Lee. So Steph has been doing the right thing even if it doesn't seem like it. YES he still has to improve on judging when to be aggressive, but overall he's been good this year.

Steph has picked up his D tremendously as this season has gone along. He's much tougher now than he ever was. That i'm sure has taken something out of him too. The leg problems have also forced him to have to pace himself.
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2/27/2007  2:02 PM
a lot of his passes don't necessarily result in a made shot, so he might not get the assist, but i think it's fair to say he's been playing a lot better team oriented style of ball this season than ever before in his career.
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2/27/2007  2:34 PM
Because he's logged a lot of miles and is in the downside of his career.

Just the most blatant example of how Isiah has no plan. Marbury was never going to be a part of this "youth movement" that was supposedly Isiah's master plan. So why give up so much to get him? Why not draft Marcus Williams?
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2/27/2007  3:21 PM

He is passing the ball earlier in possessions..He no longer holds on to the ball as long and creates as frequently...The first option is Curry, so passing the ball in the post then Curry bouncing the ball to create his shot does not equal an assist..We don't have high percentage shooters either...The ball moves more freely on the perimeter...
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2/27/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by holfresh:


He is passing the ball earlier in possessions..He no longer holds on to the ball as long and creates as frequently...The first option is Curry, so passing the ball in the post then Curry bouncing the ball to create his shot does not equal an assist..We don't have high percentage shooters either...The ball moves more freely on the perimeter...

Passing the ball into the post to Curry does equal an assist if Curry makes the shot. What are you talking about?

The ball moves freely? If they can't get it into Curry it becomes a game of hot potato.
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2/27/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:


He is passing the ball earlier in possessions..He no longer holds on to the ball as long and creates as frequently...The first option is Curry, so passing the ball in the post then Curry bouncing the ball to create his shot does not equal an assist..We don't have high percentage shooters either...The ball moves more freely on the perimeter...

Passing the ball into the post to Curry does equal an assist if Curry makes the shot. What are you talking about?
It depends on whether the pass directly leads to the assist. If Curry takes a dribble and then scores or if he holds onto the ball for a while and then makes his move or if he throws a few fakes and then scores, I think it wouldn't count as an assist. I think the final call on whether it counts as an assist is the subjective decision of an official score-keeper, but I'm not certain.
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2/27/2007  5:44 PM
because we're a post up team now and teams with guys who get the ball on the post on most possessions don't usually have one guy with a lot of assists. see any team Shaq, Ewing, Duncan, etc ever played with - usually their leader is at about 6apg.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:


He is passing the ball earlier in possessions..He no longer holds on to the ball as long and creates as frequently...The first option is Curry, so passing the ball in the post then Curry bouncing the ball to create his shot does not equal an assist..We don't have high percentage shooters either...The ball moves more freely on the perimeter...

Passing the ball into the post to Curry does equal an assist if Curry makes the shot. What are you talking about?
It depends on whether the pass directly leads to the assist. If Curry takes a dribble and then scores or if he holds onto the ball for a while and then makes his move or if he throws a few fakes and then scores, I think it wouldn't count as an assist. I think the final call on whether it counts as an assist is the subjective decision of an official score-keeper, but I'm not certain.

Maybe but I go back to Kareem's basket to become the NBA's all time leading scorer. Kareem got the ball in the post from Magic. He held onto the ball for awhile and dribbled before going up for the skyhook over Mark Eaton. Magic got the assist.
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2/27/2007  5:53 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

because we're a post up team now and teams with guys who get the ball on the post on most possessions don't usually have one guy with a lot of assists. see any team Shaq, Ewing, Duncan, etc ever played with - usually their leader is at about 6apg.

What about Stockton and Malone?
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2/27/2007  6:06 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:


He is passing the ball earlier in possessions..He no longer holds on to the ball as long and creates as frequently...The first option is Curry, so passing the ball in the post then Curry bouncing the ball to create his shot does not equal an assist..We don't have high percentage shooters either...The ball moves more freely on the perimeter...

Passing the ball into the post to Curry does equal an assist if Curry makes the shot. What are you talking about?
It depends on whether the pass directly leads to the assist. If Curry takes a dribble and then scores or if he holds onto the ball for a while and then makes his move or if he throws a few fakes and then scores, I think it wouldn't count as an assist. I think the final call on whether it counts as an assist is the subjective decision of an official score-keeper, but I'm not certain.

Maybe but I go back to Kareem's basket to become the NBA's all time leading scorer. Kareem got the ball in the post from Magic. He held onto the ball for awhile and dribbled before going up for the skyhook over Mark Eaton. Magic got the assist.
I don't remember that very well but I thought Kareem would often catch the ball and then right away shoot the hook shot. I didn't think he'd hold onto the ball for four seconds and then make his move.
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2/27/2007  6:27 PM
you don't get an assist if you lob the ball in & the guy sets himself, takes a few dribbles & scores... you only get it if he takes the shot w/o a dribble, or if the pass directly results in you getting the open look for the basket.
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2/27/2007  6:38 PM
Posted by TMS:

you don't get an assist if you lob the ball in & the guy sets himself, takes a few dribbles & scores... you only get it if he takes the shot w/o a dribble, or if the pass directly results in you getting the open look for the basket.

Yeah, the way assists are judged are plain awful (not comprehensive enough). That's one reason why I don't put so much into that statistic.
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2/27/2007  6:56 PM
The NBA should count assists like Hockey does.
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2/27/2007  7:03 PM
Posted by TMS:

you don't get an assist if you lob the ball in & the guy sets himself, takes a few dribbles & scores... you only get it if he takes the shot w/o a dribble, or if the pass directly results in you getting the open look for the basket.

What you said:

An assist is simply when you "assist" or help some one in scoring the basket..You can dribble if that person catches the pass in stride towards the basket and get the assist..But if he "sets" himself as you said, much like Curry does and dribble, the passer does not assist on that type of play...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-27-2007 7:04 PM]
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2/27/2007  7:54 PM
Posted by kam77:

The NBA should count assists like Hockey does.

You mean where there can be two assists on a single play?
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