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misterearl
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2/23/2007  9:51 AM
>>The Knicks' payroll next year will drop from a league-high $123 million to about $85M, as the contracts of Jalen Rose, Maurice Taylor, Shandon Anderson and Allan Houston will go off the books. In two years, the pacts of Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis and Malik Rose will be shed. The payroll structure then will look normal.

Next year also will be the first time since the 1980s the Knicks' payroll will decrease.

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misterearl
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2/23/2007  9:51 AM
The operative phrase being, "the 1980's"

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Solace
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2/23/2007  9:53 AM
Yay. $85M is only what? $30M over the cap? Great. I'm sure the NBA will allow us to sign max players since we decreased salary, even though we haven't gotten close to getting under the cap.
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2/23/2007  9:55 AM
Solace - you gotta start someplace.

Besides, the NBA will adjust the cap accordingly. Max players ain't the answer for the Knicks. Drafting intelligently is.

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2/23/2007  9:57 AM
It's a start. At least then if we can unload somebody for an expiring we can get within striking distance.

The three ridiculous moves that were completely unnecessary contributing $25M to the cap:
Francis
JJ1
JJ2

Again: why, oh why, was it necessary to sign the JJ bros for 5 years each?!! Wouldn't 3 years of their lame asses been enough?!
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2/23/2007  9:59 AM
MoT and Malik were bad too, but at least we can see the light at the end of the tunnel on those trades.

HOWEVER, I doubt Isiah or whoever else will be handcuffed from making a big deal indefinitely, so I don't see us actually approaching the cap.
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2/23/2007  9:59 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - you gotta start someplace.

Besides, the NBA will adjust the cap accordingly. Max players ain't the answer for the Knicks. Drafting intelligently is.

What if Lebron was available? Wouldn't you want to be under the cap to sign him? Don't you think that LeBron might do really well next to a core of, say, Curry and Lee?
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2/23/2007  10:01 AM
Lebron ain't available. Cleveland ain't stoopid.
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2/23/2007  10:02 AM
Posted by Panos:

It's a start. At least then if we can unload somebody for an expiring we can get within striking distance.

The three ridiculous moves that were completely unnecessary contributing $25M to the cap:
Francis
JJ1
JJ2

Again: why, oh why, was it necessary to sign the JJ bros for 5 years each?!! Wouldn't 3 years of their lame asses been enough?!

Absolutely no reason on JJ1. JJ2, I guess we were afraid that the Wizards would match, so we overpaid and then let Isiah convince (some of) us that he was worth it. I have to give Isiah credit for that. Not many GMs could buy a used Volvo for three-four times it's value and convince people it's a Corvette... even if the ruse only lasts a short time.
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2/23/2007  10:03 AM
Lebron ain't available.

Solace - you really think Cleveland is stoopid enough to give away the entire personality, marketability, profit-center and talent core of the franchise?

c'mon...
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2/23/2007  10:03 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Lebron ain't available. Cleveland ain't stoopid.

LeBron has an opt out after three years of his contract. LeBron can go to whoever will pay him. Why not NY? Cleveland has no control over that. LeBron is also playing like he doesn't want to be in Cleveland this year.

The "pipe dream" of getting a star like LeBron is only a pipe dream because we've never put ourselves in a position where it was possible.
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2/23/2007  10:06 AM
if the knicks never signed Jerome/Jeffries and never traded Ariza for Francis we would be in a completely different situation all together. We might actually be able to get under the cap AND our team would be better

Curry/Cato
Lee/Frye
QRich/Balkman
Jamal/Ariza
Stephon/Nate

sighhh.. how sweet it could have been
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2/23/2007  10:06 AM
Besides solace, if you are the general manager of any franchise, do you really want to base your entire salary strategy, and need to compete for the playoffs, on the prayer that Lebron will be available three years?
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2/23/2007  10:08 AM
Elite - I miss Trevor Ariza as well.

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2/23/2007  10:18 AM
What's done is done, but why do we have to KEEP DOING IT? JJ2 (aka "the Scarecrow") was just signed this past summer. Isiah has brought on some stupid contract at a rate of about 2-3 per year.
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2/23/2007  10:32 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - you gotta start someplace.

Besides, the NBA will adjust the cap accordingly. Max players ain't the answer for the Knicks. Drafting intelligently is.

this is true...but we need higher picks.
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2/23/2007  10:40 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Besides solace, if you are the general manager of any franchise, do you really want to base your entire salary strategy, and need to compete for the playoffs, on the prayer that Lebron will be available three years?

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2/23/2007  10:50 AM
Posted by Panos:

It's a start. At least then if we can unload somebody for an expiring we can get within striking distance.

The three ridiculous moves that were completely unnecessary contributing $25M to the cap:
Francis
JJ1
JJ2

Again: why, oh why, was it necessary to sign the JJ bros for 5 years each?!! Wouldn't 3 years of their lame asses been enough?!
i don't think any of those guys are tradeable at this point, but if we can somehow unload Malik or Marbury, we might start seeing a light at the end of this tunnel.
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2/23/2007  11:46 AM
To bad we couldn't have maybe got Crawford, Malik, and Frye to the Nets for Kidd and then turned around and traded him to the lakers or someone to improve the future cap plans....

Something Isiah doesn't understand because he is dumb is you don't need to always use the midlevel exception. You make small deals for hungry players and you fill them around your guys....

Anthony Johnson, Steve Blake, Darrel Armstrong, someone steady to play 15 minutes a night and take care of the ball....

You don't have to make a move right away, players are being bought out all the time and a player can fall into your lap.....

Mutumbo that was a great move, to bring in Crawford here we are three years later and don't have a good backup center that plays defense, he is not making 5 million and doesn't have a five year contract.....Diop cost nothing but he plays defense and rebounds, you don't make impulsive moves.


Being a GM isn't brain surgery its a waiting game, you don't gamble, and you don't sign paycheck players...Look at things logically


Ask yourself is a 40% shooter that plays 30 good games 10 great games and 44 mediocore games worth a 7 year deal at 55 million when no one else is intered, and has never been to the playoffs with 1 year of college......No
-am i going to take on bad contract to get him? no
-do i need to sign vin baker as a favor when i have already giving out a crazy deal? no
Would you sign a center with a history of weight problems and underperformance to for 25 million over 5, when he average 5pts 4rbs? No

Would you trade for a pg, that demanded a draft day trade, had serious problems with coaches and doesn't play defense, team ball, have any skills that don't already mirror our starting guard, and complains like a child, not to mention give up a young kid who may become a good defender and has a contract under 2 million, gambling to make a marriage work with 48 million left on his deal......no way

Do I sign a player with career average of 6pts 5rbs and not 1blk a game and no offensive skills to speak of to a five year deal and give him a trade kicker making him untradable because i think he can be a good defender at 6'11......I don't think so

If i have no one that can get teammates involved on a consisten basis to i take the one pg in the draft that is a pure passing pg from a good college program? Most likely

Preaching here, but i think its not out of the question to say that most people with a knowledge of the game would have not made those deals...
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2/23/2007  12:05 PM
Posted by MS:

To bad we couldn't have maybe got Crawford, Malik, and Frye to the Nets for Kidd and then turned around and traded him to the lakers or someone to improve the future cap plans....

Something Isiah doesn't understand because he is dumb is you don't need to always use the midlevel exception. You make small deals for hungry players and you fill them around your guys....

Anthony Johnson, Steve Blake, Darrel Armstrong, someone steady to play 15 minutes a night and take care of the ball....

You don't have to make a move right away, players are being bought out all the time and a player can fall into your lap.....

Mutumbo that was a great move, to bring in Crawford here we are three years later and don't have a good backup center that plays defense, he is not making 5 million and doesn't have a five year contract.....Diop cost nothing but he plays defense and rebounds, you don't make impulsive moves.


Being a GM isn't brain surgery its a waiting game, you don't gamble, and you don't sign paycheck players...Look at things logically


Ask yourself is a 40% shooter that plays 30 good games 10 great games and 44 mediocore games worth a 7 year deal at 55 million when no one else is intered, and has never been to the playoffs with 1 year of college......No
-am i going to take on bad contract to get him? no
-do i need to sign vin baker as a favor when i have already giving out a crazy deal? no
Would you sign a center with a history of weight problems and underperformance to for 25 million over 5, when he average 5pts 4rbs? No

Would you trade for a pg, that demanded a draft day trade, had serious problems with coaches and doesn't play defense, team ball, have any skills that don't already mirror our starting guard, and complains like a child, not to mention give up a young kid who may become a good defender and has a contract under 2 million, gambling to make a marriage work with 48 million left on his deal......no way

Do I sign a player with career average of 6pts 5rbs and not 1blk a game and no offensive skills to speak of to a five year deal and give him a trade kicker making him untradable because i think he can be a good defender at 6'11......I don't think so

If i have no one that can get teammates involved on a consisten basis to i take the one pg in the draft that is a pure passing pg from a good college program? Most likely

Preaching here, but i think its not out of the question to say that most people with a knowledge of the game would have not made those deals...

So - IT has no knowledge of the game? I doubt it. He was around for a while.
Conspiracy…? It’s too fascinated to be true.
I think just different agenda of the organization.

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