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2/19/2007  2:53 PM
Almost Traded
Feb 18 - The Knicks and Trail Blazers had a deal in place that would've sent David Lee, Penny Hardaway and his expiring contract, plus a first-round pick to Portland for Ruben Patterson and Theo Ratliff, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions.

The stumbling block that ultimately caused Thomas to nix the deal was that Portland wanted the pick the Knicks got from Denver via Toronto in the Antonio Davis trade. That pick wound up being the 20th overall, which the Knicks used to select Renaldo Balkman. Thomas took a pass and instead traded Hardaway and Trevor Ariza to Orlando for Steve Francis. -- Newsday

Wow!!!!!

I can't believe he even proposed this deal, thank god for the draft pick otherwise we would have zero future this season, there was also another report that a DMILES deal for Q was rejected by the blazers, I just can't trust this man, he proposes some of the worst trades and sign and trades in NBA History
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2/19/2007  2:56 PM

Nothing new..That was out there last year...One of the things LB wanted...
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2/19/2007  3:01 PM
wow, what a bad deal that would have been!
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2/19/2007  3:05 PM
Ah so it appears Mr Isiah Thomas had the power to nix that deal, although LB wanted it. I wonder why he didnt nix the Magic deal even though LB "wanted it"
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2/19/2007  3:06 PM
I remember that. I also remember guys here saying that would be a good deal.

At the time I think all of us wouldn't have mind if lee was traded. Frye was playing way better than he was this year and you kinda had to chose and frye was the one.

Oh how things have changed! Right now Lee is the guy that should stick around forever. Frye is the puss that should go to hell.
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2/19/2007  3:28 PM
typical Isiah type move
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2/19/2007  3:34 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

I remember that. I also remember guys here saying that would be a good deal.

At the time I think all of us wouldn't have mind if lee was traded. Frye was playing way better than he was this year and you kinda had to chose and frye was the one.

Oh how things have changed! Right now Lee is the guy that should stick around forever. Frye is the puss that should go to hell.

I think many people were still mad that Lee was not included in the Curry deal instead of the swap and or last year pick. True and for whatever reason Lee was in Brown's doghouse early last season. But yeah, I do recall many people thought that D Miles would make sense since the Knicks had no option at the 3. But timing is always funny. Thomas was called out for drafting Lee over Taft and Blantche. Called out for not including Lee in the Curry trade. But he gets press for not pulling deals that should not have been pulled. Now talk about having to walk a straight line on your tippy toes.
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2/19/2007  3:41 PM
the deal was done if not for the pick so he thought it was a good deal to give a ton of cap relief to the blazers and lee for patterson and ratliff....

I don't think anyone was mad at Lee for not being included, also if thomas top 3 protected it Paxson would not have had a problem, no one thought the knicks would be that bad last year, regardless of what paxson said or did, he would have accepted the deal.......
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2/19/2007  3:59 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by EnySpree:

I remember that. I also remember guys here saying that would be a good deal.

At the time I think all of us wouldn't have mind if lee was traded. Frye was playing way better than he was this year and you kinda had to chose and frye was the one.

Oh how things have changed! Right now Lee is the guy that should stick around forever. Frye is the puss that should go to hell.

I think many people were still mad that Lee was not included in the Curry deal instead of the swap and or last year pick. True and for whatever reason Lee was in Brown's doghouse early last season. But yeah, I do recall many people thought that D Miles would make sense since the Knicks had no option at the 3. But timing is always funny. Thomas was called out for drafting Lee over Taft and Blantche. Called out for not including Lee in the Curry trade. But he gets press for not pulling deals that should not have been pulled. Now talk about having to walk a straight line on your tippy toes.


This is so true because alot of people, including people on this board, were berating IT for drafting Lee and now, instead of giving him the credit he is due for have a good draft last year, they want to talk about why we did not get Bynum instead of Frye or someone else instead of Nate. Drafting is not an exact science and anybody with the benefit of hindsight can identify people that a team should have drafted. IMO all you can expect from your GM is that he gets you quality players every year that add to the team. Bynum looks good, but he could have just as easily turned into another Benoit Benjamin and if that had happended and IT had drafted him, the same people that criticize IT for not drafting Bynum would probably be criticizing him for not taking Frye (saying things like "why take a project like Bynum when you could have had a proven college player in Frye; IT is so stupid.").
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2/19/2007  4:13 PM
I don't think its stupid, I would have taken any of the three, to be honest and I didn't see enough of lee or watch enough tape, if i had then i may have been a different story.

But the Frye thing was the safest pick of the bunch in Isiahs eyes, I don't and will never like bigs from the pac10 and channing doesn't have a mean streak and can't average more than 7.5 rebounds in a guard orientated conference should send up red flags.....Kyle Lowry at six feet grabbed 10 reboudns against the knicks in his first nba game, frye is yet to grab 10 in a game all season, that is very alarming....

I didn't know anything about Bynum but from what i read i thought he was worth the gamble especially the position we were in. And Granger and Greene had a ton more upside than frye......

i thought jack would have been good because he had nice size, played defense and was a leader at gt, and was very intrigued by blacthe who i think will be good in a couple of years....

I just like what I see a lot more from Bynum than i do from curry call me crazy.....
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2/19/2007  4:15 PM
isiah valued nate over lee.

we traded for two of the spurs picks without knowing where they would be (although one could guesstimate them being >27).

were one of those to target david lee? not likely. he gets credit for drafting him but if he wanted lee, and he was high on his draft chart, then he could've taken him at #21 instead of nate. but he had nate ranked higher on his depth chart - a 5'8 shooting guard with some attitude questions. and we know isiah doesn't care about popular opinion based on his drafting of balkman last season over marcus.

and any deal or signing that happens on this team is 100% isiah. it does not happen unless isiah makes the deal. i don't care who wants who, final word is with isiah.
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2/19/2007  4:18 PM
LOL, OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!


THat's who ya'll wanted running the show, LB with his Francis, Patterson, Rose, Ratlif, ADivs line up!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by djsunyc:

isiah valued nate over lee.

we traded for two of the spurs picks without knowing where they would be (although one could guesstimate them being >27).

were one of those to target david lee? not likely. he gets credit for drafting him but if he wanted lee, and he was high on his draft chart, then he could've taken him at #21 instead of nate. but he had nate ranked higher on his depth chart - a 5'8 shooting guard with some attitude questions. and we know isiah doesn't care about popular opinion based on his drafting of balkman last season over marcus.

and any deal or signing that happens on this team is 100% isiah. it does not happen unless isiah makes the deal. i don't care who wants who, final word is with isiah.

DJ not to beat a dead horse but if you remember, Nate Robinson was a favorite by most draft "experts" When the pick went down everyone was screaming what a great pick for the Suns. It was so funny because the second that it was announce that the Suns were picking for the Knicks people stop giving quick praises to the pick instead they were like saying good pick not sure if NY needs another pg. Lee was working hard to get into the first round. Now we fault Thomas because he drafted him after Robinson?? That's what I am referring to as having to walk a straight line with your tippy toes.
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2/19/2007  4:29 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah valued nate over lee.

we traded for two of the spurs picks without knowing where they would be (although one could guesstimate them being >27).

were one of those to target david lee? not likely. he gets credit for drafting him but if he wanted lee, and he was high on his draft chart, then he could've taken him at #21 instead of nate. but he had nate ranked higher on his depth chart - a 5'8 shooting guard with some attitude questions. and we know isiah doesn't care about popular opinion based on his drafting of balkman last season over marcus.

and any deal or signing that happens on this team is 100% isiah. it does not happen unless isiah makes the deal. i don't care who wants who, final word is with isiah.

DJ not to beat a dead horse but if you remember, Nate Robinson was a favorite by most draft "experts" When the pick went down everyone was screaming what a great pick for the Suns. It was so funny because the second that it was announce that the Suns were picking for the Knicks people stop giving quick praises to the pick instead they were like saying good pick not sure if NY needs another pg. Lee was working hard to get into the first round. Now we fault Thomas because he drafted him after Robinson?? That's what I am referring to as having to walk a straight line with your tippy toes.

all i'm saying is that nate ranked higher on isiah's depth chart. isiah's the guy making millions to make decisions. he had all these players in. he worked them all out. he gave them big time psych evaluations. and at the end of the day, his #21 pick was nate, and #30 was lee.
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2/19/2007  4:39 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah valued nate over lee.

we traded for two of the spurs picks without knowing where they would be (although one could guesstimate them being >27).

were one of those to target david lee? not likely. he gets credit for drafting him but if he wanted lee, and he was high on his draft chart, then he could've taken him at #21 instead of nate. but he had nate ranked higher on his depth chart - a 5'8 shooting guard with some attitude questions. and we know isiah doesn't care about popular opinion based on his drafting of balkman last season over marcus.

and any deal or signing that happens on this team is 100% isiah. it does not happen unless isiah makes the deal. i don't care who wants who, final word is with isiah.

DJ not to beat a dead horse but if you remember, Nate Robinson was a favorite by most draft "experts" When the pick went down everyone was screaming what a great pick for the Suns. It was so funny because the second that it was announce that the Suns were picking for the Knicks people stop giving quick praises to the pick instead they were like saying good pick not sure if NY needs another pg. Lee was working hard to get into the first round. Now we fault Thomas because he drafted him after Robinson?? That's what I am referring to as having to walk a straight line with your tippy toes.

all i'm saying is that nate ranked higher on isiah's depth chart. isiah's the guy making millions to make decisions. he had all these players in. he worked them all out. he gave them big time psych evaluations. and at the end of the day, his #21 pick was nate, and #30 was lee.

To be fair, Nate was a better prospect than Lee. Lee is a tweener that had little offensive game and had a solid but not spectacular college career. Nate was the number 1 players on his team, a dynamic scorer, and clutch player. If we gave Nate 25 consistent minutes a game, he would be averaging probably 15-17 points a game. He is a great scorer; he just is not a great PG. Lee has turned into a better pro but his game is based on things that are harder to quantify, such as heart and hustle and understanding of the game. So I don't think it was a mistake to have Nate rated higher last year (in fact just about everyone had Nate rated higher, with Lee being a borderline first rounder).
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2/19/2007  4:48 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Ah so it appears Mr Isiah Thomas had the power to nix that deal, although LB wanted it. I wonder why he didnt nix the Magic deal even though LB "wanted it"
The article says Portland, not Isiah, nixed the deal. Who knows if this story is true? I got the impression last year that Isiah was very high on the three 1st rd picks. This article doesn't even mention a source.
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2/19/2007  4:54 PM
I think if you compare lee and nate and nate is ranked higher on your draft board you have problems for a number of reasons, at 5'7 lets be realistic, your calling lee a tweener what does that make nate.

And of course you can say the suns picking robinson would have been great for their team, and not as solid a selection for the knicks.....Isiah is not a good judge of winning talent for the most part every single player he has brought in has had issues with professionalism, James, Francis, Marbury, Francis, Nate, Jalen Rose, Quentel Woods, Curry, etc....
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2/19/2007  5:03 PM
That trade would have been HORRIBLE.

I don't get though how Isiah would refuse to trade Lee to get Eddie Curry. But then turn around and almost trade him for Ruben Patterson & Theo Ratliff. And also almost give up a draft pick as well. I could understand if we were giving up 2 of our ugly contracts. But Lee and a draft pick with Hardaway for Ruben Patterson & Ratliff. They aren't allstars & Ratliff is shot. That trade has Browns name all over it, he has the track record for giving up on youth for defensive vets. But the fact that Isiah was willing to do it if not just for the pick situation is crazy. They should be giving US picks for that deal.
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2/19/2007  5:18 PM
Lee was the last pick in the first rd. So apparently there were a lot more players that were rated higher than Lee. Imagine if Rockets would have taken him over head though. That Yao & Lee frontcourt would be very hard to get a rebound from.

Gilbert Arenas was the #32 pick in the 2001 draft. Okur was #38 in the same draft. They both made the allstar team this yr.

It happends.
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2/19/2007  5:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by djsunyc:

isiah valued nate over lee.

we traded for two of the spurs picks without knowing where they would be (although one could guesstimate them being >27).

were one of those to target david lee? not likely. he gets credit for drafting him but if he wanted lee, and he was high on his draft chart, then he could've taken him at #21 instead of nate. but he had nate ranked higher on his depth chart - a 5'8 shooting guard with some attitude questions. and we know isiah doesn't care about popular opinion based on his drafting of balkman last season over marcus.

and any deal or signing that happens on this team is 100% isiah. it does not happen unless isiah makes the deal. i don't care who wants who, final word is with isiah.

DJ not to beat a dead horse but if you remember, Nate Robinson was a favorite by most draft "experts" When the pick went down everyone was screaming what a great pick for the Suns. It was so funny because the second that it was announce that the Suns were picking for the Knicks people stop giving quick praises to the pick instead they were like saying good pick not sure if NY needs another pg. Lee was working hard to get into the first round. Now we fault Thomas because he drafted him after Robinson?? That's what I am referring to as having to walk a straight line with your tippy toes.

all i'm saying is that nate ranked higher on isiah's depth chart. isiah's the guy making millions to make decisions. he had all these players in. he worked them all out. he gave them big time psych evaluations. and at the end of the day, his #21 pick was nate, and #30 was lee.

29 other teams had other players ranked ahead of Lee and didn't draft him, but Isiah gets the knock for not drafting him earlier...



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-19-2007 6:22 PM]
Lee almost Traded Last Seaon!!

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