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Sophomore slump? Not for these second-year studsBy John Hollinger
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ISIAH WAS SO CLOSE LAST YEAR, BUT HE HAD TO SELECT A FRENCH FRYE, HE GETS THE THIRD BEST ROOKIE IN THE CLASS AT 30!


Last season's Rookie of the Year chase was pretty much over after the first week of play. That's how far Chris Paul was ahead of the pack.


Hollinger's Rookie Review
The rookie class hasn't been spectacular, but there are a few standouts. Check out John Hollinger's top newbies. Top 10
But this season, the top sophomores have pulled into a much tighter bunch. Surprisingly, not one of them made the All-Star team, but several have had breakout sophomore campaigns to establish themselves among the game's rising stars.

As I've done with the rookies, I'm going to rate the top 10 members of the sophomore class on this season's play. The same rules apply as with the rookies -- recent play counts more, and we're not worrying about long-term potential.

So let's see if anyone's caught Paul:


10. (tie) Ike Diogu, Indiana; Hakim Warrick, Memphis; Jason Maxiell, Detroit; Ronny Turiaf, Lakers; and Sean May, Charlotte
Call it the "I'm a talented young power forward but I can't get on the court" club.

Each of these five has shown tremendous promise, but is boxed in by equally talented frontcourt players on his team. Thus, despite the eye-popping numbers they've all put up in limited minutes they've had trouble earning more playing time.

Each also has side issues as well that have kept him off the floor: May can't stay healthy, Diogu struggles on defense, Warrick lacks muscle, and Turiaf and Maxiell are slightly undersized and have too much competition for playing time.

But all five of these guys are going to be quality players, and it's just a question of when and where they get an opportunity to get some more minutes.

9. Monta Ellis, Golden State
In his second year out of high school, Ellis has blossomed into one of the league's better young scoring guards.

Granted, the enthusiasm is tempered a bit since he stayed in high school longer than the characters in "That 70s Show," but Ellis' rate of 20.3 points per 40 minutes is the second best among all sophomores. (At No. 1, believe it or not, is his former teammate Diogu, at 21.7 points per minutes.)

The question going forward is whether his best long-term position is point guard or shooting guard. As the game evolves toward smaller lineups, the latter answer seems more likely.

8. Jarrett Jack, Portland THOUGHT THIS WAS THE WAY TO GO OVER NATE
As if Portland's phenomenal rookie class didn't give teams enough to worry about in coming years, the Trail Blazers also have a strong sophomore in Jack.

The point man isn't likely to become a scoring machine, but at a solidly built 6-3 with good feet, he could become one of the league's better backcourt defenders over the next few years.

That size also gives him an advantage in the lane, where he overpowers smaller guards and earns frequent freebies at the line (88.2 percent).

Now he just needs a 3-point shot (30.0 percent for his career) and he's all set.

7. Danny Granger, Indiana WHY FRYE
Granger is one of those guys I subjectively like more than his stats show (yes, this happens to me, too), because he can do a little bit of everything.

He's developed a reliable 3-point shot (40.0 percent), he can defend both forward positions and he's picked up his scoring to a healthy 16.4 points per 40 minutes.

One gets the impression he might be capable of bigger numbers if Indy called his number more often, but we won't really know that until it happens.

Meanwhile, the sudden dip in his rebound rate this season is cause for concern.

6. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
Bogut has proven to be a reasonably solid NBA center, but we can't help but feel slightly disappointed in his sophomore campaign.

The hope in Milwaukee was that he'd use the move to his natural center spot to take a step toward stardom. Instead, it seems he put on too much weight and has been slower than a season ago.

Bogut supporters point out he's not getting many touches, but that doesn't excuse the soft approach at the other end for the league's worst defensive team.

So instead, let's focus on the big picture -- he's 22, he can shoot and pass, and he holds his own on the boards.

5. Andrew Bynum, Lakers SHOULD HAVE BEEN A KNICK
A big reason the Lakers have been so competitive has been the surprising emergence of Bynum in the middle, which has allowed them to weather the loss of Kwame Brown and Chris Mihm without skipping a beat.

This is amazing if you think about it. Most teams that lost their top two centers would either be frantically scanning the D-League or spending nights on the phone trying to talk Felton Spencer out of retirement, but the Lakers just plugged Bynum in and chugged along like nothing happened.

He is shooting 54.3 percent and has established himself as one of the game's best-passing big men, but the boss still isn't impressed -- Lakers coach Phil Jackson shocked me and the other reporters present when he went on a lengthy monologue about Bynum's poor work habits before a recent game in Atlanta.

4. Jose Calderon, Toronto
Apparently the criteria for choosing voters for the sophomore team included "didn't watch any Raptors games." Or give me a better reason why Luther Head is on the team and Calderon isn't.

(I actually do think Head should be in Vegas, by the way -- but in the 3-point competition, not suiting up as one of the nine best sophomores.)

Calderon showed he could run the team while commanding the second unit at the start of the season and then, when T.J. Ford went out with an injury, took over the controls and maneuvered the Raptors into first place.

The improvement from his rookie season is shocking -- he's nearly doubled his points per 40 minutes from 9.4 to 16.8, his rate of 9.5 assists per 40 minutes is among the league's best and he's shooting 52.7 percent from the field.

3. David Lee, New York
The no-brainer choice for this year's Sixth Man award, Lee's magnet-like offensive rebounding skills have made him an instant energizer for the Knicks.

Lee averages an astounding 13.8 boards per 40 minutes, giving him the league's fourth-best rebound rate, behind Dwight Howard, Reggie Evans and Dikembe Mutombo.

But that's only half the story with Lee -- the other part is his phenomenal shot-making skill. Shooting a league-leading 61.2 percent from the floor while converging 80.9 percent from the line, Lee's 66.1 true shooting percentage ranks second, behind only Steve Nash's.

Lee would rate second on my list of sophomores if he were a better defender, but he struggles sometimes in strength matchups.


2. Deron Williams, Utah
One of the most improved players in the league, Williams appears notably quicker than a season ago and has helped lead the Jazz to a surprising perch atop the Northwest Division.

He's second in the league in assists, and appears to be only gaining steam -- on Wednesday, he single-handedly led the Jazz to a crucial win over Cleveland in their final game before the break.

Oddly, Williams has put up his banner season while slumping badly on 3-pointers -- he shot 41.6 percent as a rookie but is down to 31.8 percent this season.

But he's made up for it with a vast improvement on two-point shots, one created by his getting far more layup chances than a season ago.

1. Chris Paul, New Orleans/Oklahoma City
A year ago he was in first by a mile. Now his lead is much smaller, as he's missed time with injuries and has failed to take another step forward from his shockingly successful rookie season. Paul edges Williams for No. 1 thanks primarily to his ballhawking defense -- his 1.86 steals per game will crack the top 10 once he gets enough games. However, he also boasts a higher per-minute scoring rate (19.4 to 18.6) and an edge on the boards, advantages that become larger once you allow for the Hornets' slower pace.

And of course, Paul remains as slippery as any guard in the league off the dribble. If he ever masters the 3-point shot (28.2 percent), he'll be well nigh unguardable, and even without that weapon opponents have a great deal of difficulty staying in front of him.

Best of the rest
By now some of you have probably noted that the name Raymond Felton didn't appear anywhere on the above list. There's a reason for that -- he hasn't improved. Folks could forgive his shooting 39.0 percent as a rookie because they saw the talented package that came with, but now that he's shooting 38.9 percent as a soph, we have to consider the horrifying possibility that he's just a mason.

It's not like his scoring numbers are that great either -- just 15.1 points per 40 minutes -- and he still makes too many turnovers, so players like Jack and Ellis have surpassed him.

And let's throw a nod toward Milwaukee's Charlie Villanueva, who would almost certainly have made the list if he hadn't been hurt nearly the entire season.

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2/16/2007  3:16 PM
So Isiah was right when he said he drafted the best big man in 2005!
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2/16/2007  3:24 PM
Honestly, I think Frye can be just as good, if not better, than Ike Diogu, Hakim Warrick, Jason Maxiell, Ronny Turiaf; and Sean May. Offensively, he is better than most of these guys and he is taller than all of them. I think if he was switched to center full-time and added some more upper body strength, he would be an above-average scorer. He would be lacking as a rebounder and defender, but I have seen some improvement since the beginning of the year.
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2/16/2007  3:33 PM
Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.
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2/16/2007  3:36 PM
Well..Zeke finding 1 player out of 3 is phenomenal and the other 2 aren't exactly chopped liver.
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2/16/2007  3:44 PM
I wouldn't say phenomenal when he missed on two possible all-stars one that was highly scouted, and if he knew he was going to make the curry trade, granger would have been the much better pick
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2/16/2007  5:37 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.
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2/16/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.

LOL. It is hilarious. I guess that's what happens when you hang your ass out or whatever.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/16/2007  5:52 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.

As God as my witness, it will never be lived down.

After wasting my time like that, he deserves every second of it.
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2/18/2007  6:06 AM
i funny last year every1 liked frye saying he is our franchise player.....Now he is on a slump he sucks.....funny.... i think frye just lacks a kille instinct......i really liked our drafting last year
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2/18/2007  10:10 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.

LOL. It is hilarious. I guess that's what happens when you hang your ass out or whatever.

There is nothing to live down. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.

And I know I'm making a lot of my shots when I am constantly reminded about the one that I missed, by dudes who are a-scared to say anything! Got anything else? I didn't think so.

Somebody should ask vile-fan how his vehement predictions about how David Lee would never be a good player worked out. How did that pan out anyway?

I guess I could constantly remind bile-fan how he went on (and on) about how good David Lee was not going to be, but I have a...what do you call it again? Oh that's right, a life! I would be trying to out-loser him, and that is simply not possible, it just isn't.

I got Isles so good more than once, I just left him stammering. He knows it. Unable to come back at me when the time was ripe, all he has now is to relenlessly come after me about one thing. It's all he's got, poor little fella.

I am always on his mind, so I now own him, like a puppy. Now that I have almost made contact with him, it's like a scoobie-snack...oh dear, he wet his seat with excitement. Bad Isles!

How much am I on his mind? I even had him rooting for the Knicks for a little while there trying to prove me wrong, that is how much!

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2/18/2007  12:37 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.

LOL. It is hilarious. I guess that's what happens when you hang your ass out or whatever.

There is nothing to live down. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.

And I know I'm making a lot of my shots when I am constantly reminded about the one that I missed, by dudes who are a-scared to say anything! Got anything else? I didn't think so.

Somebody should ask vile-fan how his vehement predictions about how David Lee would never be a good player worked out. How did that pan out anyway?

I guess I could constantly remind bile-fan how he went on (and on) about how good David Lee was not going to be, but I have a...what do you call it again? Oh that's right, a life! I would be trying to out-loser him, and that is simply not possible, it just isn't.

I got Isles so good more than once, I just left him stammering. He knows it. Unable to come back at me when the time was ripe, all he has now is to relenlessly come after me about one thing. It's all he's got, poor little fella.

I am always on his mind, so I now own him, like a puppy. Now that I have almost made contact with him, it's like a scoobie-snack...oh dear, he wet his seat with excitement. Bad Isles!

How much am I on his mind? I even had him rooting for the Knicks for a little while there trying to prove me wrong, that is how much!

oohah

No need to be so defensive. It's all in good fun. I think Frye does deserve to be teased, though, as he made such a bold prediction, and he didn't even threaten to make the sophmore team, let alone the all-star team.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/18/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by islesfan:

Wow, Frye didn't even threaten to make honorable mentions.

ROFL.
That "threatening" thing will never be lived down.

LOL. It is hilarious. I guess that's what happens when you hang your ass out or whatever.

There is nothing to live down. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss.

And I know I'm making a lot of my shots when I am constantly reminded about the one that I missed, by dudes who are a-scared to say anything! Got anything else? I didn't think so.

Somebody should ask vile-fan how his vehement predictions about how David Lee would never be a good player worked out. How did that pan out anyway?

I guess I could constantly remind bile-fan how he went on (and on) about how good David Lee was not going to be, but I have a...what do you call it again? Oh that's right, a life! I would be trying to out-loser him, and that is simply not possible, it just isn't.

I got Isles so good more than once, I just left him stammering. He knows it. Unable to come back at me when the time was ripe, all he has now is to relenlessly come after me about one thing. It's all he's got, poor little fella.

I am always on his mind, so I now own him, like a puppy. Now that I have almost made contact with him, it's like a scoobie-snack...oh dear, he wet his seat with excitement. Bad Isles!

How much am I on his mind? I even had him rooting for the Knicks for a little while there trying to prove me wrong, that is how much!

oohah

Yup, that nerve is still exposed and extremely sensitive to the touch.

The best part is the idiot that loves to talk about how he's going to shove things in other people's faces when he's right, is now all bent out of shape about the fact that we all find it extrememly funny that he was so incredibly wrong about Frye. Oh and I was so incredibly right which bothers him to untold heights.

I can't tell you how much joy I take into knowing that I have this jackass on his best behavior now. Notice how after I called him out, with everybody else joining in, he's been less argumentative and toned down on the obnoxiousness. No doubt as an affront to me but nevertheless an improvement for the board as a whole. You're all very welcome.

Oh and as for David Lee, I've admitted long ago that I was wrong about him and have done nothing but praise him since and given Isiah credit for drafting him. Good try though with your misrepresentations.

It's just too easy at this point. Now excuse me while I throw the stupid fishy back into the water and rebait.


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2/18/2007  4:37 PM
My puppy was so wrong about David Lee. So very wrong.^^^^



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2/18/2007  4:59 PM
Posted by oohah:

My puppy was so wrong about David Lee. So very wrong.^^^^



oohah

Oh c'mon oohah. You can forgive him now.

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2/18/2007  5:29 PM
Just in case anybody wanted to reminisce about how wrong oohah was about Frye. So very wrong.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=17350&page=1

Note how obnoxious and arrogant he was, as if it were utterly impossible for him to be wrong about this. Of course that was before I neutered him.
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Posted by Ira:
Posted by oohah:

My puppy was so wrong about David Lee. So very wrong.^^^^



oohah

Oh c'mon oohah. You can forgive him now.

Hey Ira, How are you?

Forgive? There is no need, I don't even interact with the dude, I really am only here to jabber with Knicks fans so I don't have anything to say to him. I mean the dude is so one-dimensional with his hateful nature, he makes Eddy Curry look like Magic Johnson. That is why he is fixated on me, so I guess Isiah and I co-own him.

Just my recognizing that he exists makes his little tail wag so, its a real treat for him! He follows me around all the time barking at me, trying to get my attention, so I am giving him a little scratch behind the ears is all.

I just wonder how he could be so wrong about David Lee? I mean look how good David Lee is, and he really went on about how bad he was going to be! I mean he was so wrong!! How could he be so wrong!!? Maybe he had no clue but was just trying to rant against Isiah Thomas? Hmmmm....could be, could be....

Here he is posting his reply right now:



oohah

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Wow, he has the thread saved! Ultimate proof of losership and my ownership of him! It's official, he has no life and he calls out my name in the throes of (self-inflicted)passion!

I wonder if he saved the threads of how wrong he was about David Lee, where we could see how arrogant he was like he could not possibly be wrong.

oohah

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2/18/2007  5:46 PM
LOL I think oohah is a little upset. He doesn't like to be proven completely wrong.

Most obnoxiously arrogant people don't.

Excuse me while I go find the thread where everybody tells him what a jackass he is. I don't want people to take my word for it.
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oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Sophomore slump? Not for these second-year studsBy John Hollinger

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