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2/16/2007  1:03 AM

If only the Knicks could refashion themselves as a big-budget film, their season might be considered a big-time hit. Box-office sales are strong. They provide countless thrills and gripping plot twists. And they have won praise from the nation’s leading critics.


Phil Jackson and Pat Riley, two coaching legends with Knicks ties, have praised the team’s direction and newfound competitiveness. Don Nelson, a former Knicks coach, joined the thumbs-up chorus Wednesday.

“I think Isiah has done a really good job,” Nelson, the Golden State Warriors’ coach, said of Isiah Thomas, the Knicks’ coach and president. “They seem to know who they are and the direction they want to go.”

A night earlier, in Los Angeles, Jackson was equally effusive.

“This team is playing every game and competing in games, and that’s what you want,” Jackson, the Lakers’ coach, said. “They’re young and they’re inexperienced, so they’re going to lose some of those games.”

Jackson proved prescient. The Knicks beat his team, 107-106, then were routed the next night by Nelson’s squad, 120-101. Unfortunately for the Knicks, the reviews remain much brighter than the results on the court.

They reached the All-Star Game break with a 23-30 record — six games behind the Toronto Raptors (29-24) for first place in the Atlantic Division, and three and a half games out of a playoff berth in the Eastern Conference.

For all of their apparent progress, the Knicks remain maddeningly inconsistent. Perhaps, as Jackson said, it is to be expected of a young team that went through “a despondency” last season under Coach Larry Brown. But the win-one, lose-one pattern does little to inspire confidence, even if it might be enough to save Thomas’s job.

At their best, the Knicks have been suitably impressive. They have beaten the Lakers (30-23) twice, and have victories over Detroit (32-19), Utah (35-17), Cleveland (30-22) and Washington (29-21). The Knicks have gone 10-13 against winning teams. They have beaten seven of the top eight teams in the Eastern Conference, going 8-10 against that group.

The good feelings never last long. The Knicks followed their two victories over the Lakers with losses to losing teams, Charlotte and Golden State. They followed a rout of Miami with a loss to Milwaukee. They have won consecutive games just once in the last five weeks.

“You learn from these experiences,” Thomas said after the Knicks were thumped by the Warriors, “and unfortunately, we have to go through this to get to the next level. You just don’t jump up in this league and all of a sudden be consistent.”

“We’ll get to the next level,” Thomas added, “but unfortunately it’s not today.”

This begs the questions of when, and will it be soon enough. Stephon Marbury said, “I think we’re a playoff team,” but the results suggest otherwise.

The All-Star Game this weekend will be the sixth consecutive one without a Knicks player. Eddy Curry, for all of his progress, was passed over by fans and coaches. The Knicks’ lone participants this weekend will be David Lee (in the sophomores-rookies game) and Nate Robinson (in the slam-dunk contest).

After the break, the Knicks will have just 29 games left — 15 at home — to make a run at the playoffs. They will have to go 18-11 just to reach .500 — the current record of the No. 8-seeded Miami Heat. But the heavy travel is over, and their 14 road games include two against the Nets.

There is time to catch the Atlantic Division leaders, Toronto, with three games left against the Raptors. The Knicks have 16 games against teams with losing records. They have just eight games left against upper-echelon teams — Dallas (twice), Detroit, Cleveland (twice), Washington, Chicago and Miami.

Yet the schedule and the opponent never seem to matter as much as the Knicks’ personality. They are just as likely to be routed by a lottery-bound team as they are to beat a championship contender. It is, for better and worse, who they are.

Malik Rose, a veteran of two championship teams in San Antonio, said the most critical lesson for the Knicks “is how to handle success.”

“It’s a mental thing, as far as focus and concentration are concerned, a maturity thing, handling your emotions,” Rose said. The implication is that the Knicks get a little too self-satisfied after beating the Lakers or the Pistons. “It’s that whole Napoleon thing,” he said.

Thomas has decisions to make when the season resumes Tuesday night against the Orlando Magic. He has started Jerome James — with visibly poor results — for the last five games. He is reaching for ways to maximize the skills of Channing Frye, whose growth seems stagnant. He will have to proceed cautiously with his two sore-kneed point guards, Marbury and Steve Francis. And he must decide whether there is a logical trade to make — one that ensures a playoff berth without sacrificing the future — before Thursday’s deadline.

Thomas brushed off Wednesday night’s collapse as the product of fatigue and the travel schedule. He has yet to concede even an ounce of worry, noting there is plenty of schedule left.

Rose, for one, said just hearing praise from around the league is not enough to declare the season a success.

“To think that we’ve made some type of improvement, it would have to be measured in wins and losses and in playoff possibilities,” Rose said. “Just like it didn’t matter when everybody in the beginning of the season were saying, ‘They’re terrible, they stink,’ it’s not going to matter now that they’re all saying we’re great.”
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2/16/2007  1:09 AM
Coaches praising Isiah?

So much for the conspiracy theory that Larry Brown owns the soul of every coach and they're all out to screw the Isiah, the knicks and Eddy Curry.
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2/16/2007  1:13 AM

LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..
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2/16/2007  1:19 AM
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?
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2/16/2007  1:26 AM
Knicks = Ishtar
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2/16/2007  1:41 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??

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2/16/2007  1:46 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??


That's a Detroit Piston's call.

You didn't mention that Howard "Johnny Ola" Beck wrote that article.
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2/16/2007  2:13 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??



First off, let's not compare Patrick's managerial charisma with Isiah's. Patrick was never a vocal leader and I doubt he's a real x/o type guy either. He's probably a career assistant coach at best, while Isiah's had multiple opportunities to GM, coach and even own a minor league. Isiah has also been available to Detroit for a lot longer than Patrick has to NY. Isiah retired in '94 while Patrick retired in 2002.

When you speak of the love, or lack thereof, that "we" are showing Patrick, you really mean the love "Isiah" is showing Patrick, as Isiah took over the season following Patrick's retirement.

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2/16/2007  2:33 AM
I really don't know how Ewing came into this conversation. In terms of being a Knick, Isiah ain't got shizat on Ewing.
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2/16/2007  2:35 AM
Pat distanced himself from the franchise and he has said that. He also said that he regrets it. MSG obviously wants to have him involved cuz he's been popping up as a guest at games. Just like someone already said eluded too, Ewing has no experience in anything other than being JVG's boy.

I wouldn't mind having ewing do what Jabbar was doing with the knicks for that hot second. Be a scout/special assistant to the team. Whatever. Starks has a cool little gig with MSG. You can make up a spot for Pat easy.

As far as the knicks? Knicks need some more experience. Some pieces work, some don't. Time to get maaco.
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2/16/2007  2:40 AM
Good article by the way. Phil, JVG, and Nelson dance to their own tunes so they are some of the few with enough respect and power of their own to make their own observation.
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2/16/2007  10:06 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??



First off, let's not compare Patrick's managerial charisma with Isiah's. Patrick was never a vocal leader and I doubt he's a real x/o type guy either. He's probably a career assistant coach at best, while Isiah's had multiple opportunities to GM, coach and even own a minor league. Isiah has also been available to Detroit for a lot longer than Patrick has to NY. Isiah retired in '94 while Patrick retired in 2002.

When you speak of the love, or lack thereof, that "we" are showing Patrick, you really mean the love "Isiah" is showing Patrick, as Isiah took over the season following Patrick's retirement.

I know you are not keeping track but the leading candidate to replace Flip is Isiah...

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2/16/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

Pat distanced himself from the franchise and he has said that. He also said that he regrets it. MSG obviously wants to have him involved cuz he's been popping up as a guest at games. Just like someone already said eluded too, Ewing has no experience in anything other than being JVG's boy.

I wouldn't mind having ewing do what Jabbar was doing with the knicks for that hot second. Be a scout/special assistant to the team. Whatever. Starks has a cool little gig with MSG. You can make up a spot for Pat easy.

As far as the knicks? Knicks need some more experience. Some pieces work, some don't. Time to get maaco.

The Franchise has distanced itself away from Pat bro...Make no mistakes about it...
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2/16/2007  10:16 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??



First off, let's not compare Patrick's managerial charisma with Isiah's. Patrick was never a vocal leader and I doubt he's a real x/o type guy either. He's probably a career assistant coach at best, while Isiah's had multiple opportunities to GM, coach and even own a minor league. Isiah has also been available to Detroit for a lot longer than Patrick has to NY. Isiah retired in '94 while Patrick retired in 2002.

When you speak of the love, or lack thereof, that "we" are showing Patrick, you really mean the love "Isiah" is showing Patrick, as Isiah took over the season following Patrick's retirement.

I know you are not keeping track but the leading candidate to replace Flip is Isiah...



1. And just 14 years and 5 or 6 jobs after he left. Whatever wounds, or distrusts, there were sure seem to be taking some time to heal.

2. According to what sources? Simply because Isiah' has been, ala Larry Brown, ostentatiously schmoozing them through the press while working here?

3. We should be so lucky, but we're probably stuck with Isiah for a while.

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2/16/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??



First off, let's not compare Patrick's managerial charisma with Isiah's. Patrick was never a vocal leader and I doubt he's a real x/o type guy either. He's probably a career assistant coach at best, while Isiah's had multiple opportunities to GM, coach and even own a minor league. Isiah has also been available to Detroit for a lot longer than Patrick has to NY. Isiah retired in '94 while Patrick retired in 2002.

When you speak of the love, or lack thereof, that "we" are showing Patrick, you really mean the love "Isiah" is showing Patrick, as Isiah took over the season following Patrick's retirement.

I know you are not keeping track but the leading candidate to replace Flip is Isiah...



1. And just 14 years and 5 or 6 jobs after he left. Whatever wounds, or distrusts, there were sure seem to be taking some time to heal.

2. According to what sources? Simply because Isiah' has been, ala Larry Brown, ostentatiously schmoozing them through the press while working here?

3. We should be so lucky, but we're probably stuck with Isiah for a while.

I hope we are stuck with Isiah...But the talk is if Flip gets fired, they want Isiah...I hope thats not the case....you guys forget the Knicks was mismanaged the last 30 years...They couldn't get another player next to Patrick...
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2/16/2007  10:26 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:


LB owns the minds and the souls of those coaches from the UNC frat houses..



Every coach has a fraternal friend or two in the league.

Except Isiah.

Not only do his opponents loath him, but even the franchise that hangs his jersey from their rafters wants little to nothing to do with him.

Odd, no?

You mean like how we are showing our love for Patrick??



First off, let's not compare Patrick's managerial charisma with Isiah's. Patrick was never a vocal leader and I doubt he's a real x/o type guy either. He's probably a career assistant coach at best, while Isiah's had multiple opportunities to GM, coach and even own a minor league. Isiah has also been available to Detroit for a lot longer than Patrick has to NY. Isiah retired in '94 while Patrick retired in 2002.

When you speak of the love, or lack thereof, that "we" are showing Patrick, you really mean the love "Isiah" is showing Patrick, as Isiah took over the season following Patrick's retirement.

I know you are not keeping track but the leading candidate to replace Flip is Isiah...



1. And just 14 years and 5 or 6 jobs after he left. Whatever wounds, or distrusts, there were sure seem to be taking some time to heal.

2. According to what sources? Simply because Isiah' has been, ala Larry Brown, ostentatiously schmoozing them through the press while working here?

3. We should be so lucky, but we're probably stuck with Isiah for a while.

I hope we are stuck with Isiah...But the talk is if Flip gets fired, they want Isiah...I hope thats not the case....you guys forget the Knicks was mismanaged the last 30 years...They couldn't get another player next to Patrick...



Yeah, but I'm willing to suffer the anguish of being "mismanaged" to the tune of perennially deep playoff contention and two trips to the finals.

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2/16/2007  10:36 AM

Right...All the Knicks GM need to do was find an offensive playe to put next to Patrick and they couldn't do that...Two trips to the Finals..One was a fluke during the shortened season...Rest you hat on that if you will...The best the other GM's could of was get old and tired players next to Patrick...Kiki,Ro Blackman,X, Cheeks,and D. Harper...Not one player to compliment Pat in 13 years of his prime...
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2/16/2007  10:42 AM
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Right...All the Knicks GM need to do was find an offensive playe to put next to Patrick and they couldn't do that...Two trips to the Finals..One was a fluke during the shortened season...Rest you hat on that if you will...The best the other GM's could of was get old and tired players next to Patrick...Kiki,Ro Blackman,X, Cheeks,and D. Harper...Not one player to compliment Pat in 13 years of his prime...


Yes, they were all so horrible. That's why we pine today for players with half the heart of Rivers, Harper, Starks, Oakley, X-Man, Mason, Houston, Camby, Sprewell, etc.

All hail the demi-god "Zeke" who bestows us with real warriors, like Fugazy, Big Snacks, Massagebury, and Eddy Chubby.


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-16-2007 10:47 AM]
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2/16/2007  10:57 AM
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Posted by holfresh:


Right...All the Knicks GM need to do was find an offensive playe to put next to Patrick and they couldn't do that...Two trips to the Finals..One was a fluke during the shortened season...Rest you hat on that if you will...The best the other GM's could of was get old and tired players next to Patrick...Kiki,Ro Blackman,X, Cheeks,and D. Harper...Not one player to compliment Pat in 13 years of his prime...


Yes, they were all so horrible. That's why we pine today for players with half the heart of Rivers, Harper, Starks, Oakley, X-Man, Mason, Houston, Camby, Sprewell, etc.

All hail the demi-god "Zeke" who bestows us with real warriors, like Fugazy, Big Snacks, Massagebury, and Eddy Chubby.


[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-16-2007 10:47 AM]

Listen Blue, Ilove you and what you bring to the board...As a fan that has watch the Knicks for the last 35 years of mismanagement..This might be difficult but Isiah is one of the better GM the Knicks has ever had in that period...I'm not kidding...I not sure if we were cursed after we traded Clyde..but we have not have one competent GM here outside of Grenfeld...JVG got him fired in a tussle of wills...Isiah took and old team over the cap and turned it into a team of hope..If we do nothing we will be under the cap in two years..Seriously, I think it a miracle..The young players and the cap...Any Knick fan who has watch this over the last 40 years would be encouraged today...
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2/16/2007  11:05 AM
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Knicks = Ishtar


You are too old to be posting here if you remember Ishtar.
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