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Trade idea w/the Cavs... would you do it?


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http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1171517716267770.xml&coll=1
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While Thomas dashed any expectations the Knicks would make a trade, the Daily News reported the team is exploring the idea of acquiring Drew Gooden from the Cavaliers, which is not inconsistent with Thomas' recent statements. Thomas didn't say he wasn't trying to make a deal, just that he didn't necessarily see one materializing. A deal with the Cavaliers would be complicated because of the contracts involved, and it might mean the Knicks would have to take back someone like Larry Hughes ($13 million), or the Cavaliers taking back someone like Jerome James or Steve Francis. But it can't be ruled out.
Francis, Malik, Frye, Nate, CHI's 1st rd pick for Larry Hughes & Drew Gooden seems a little lopsided in the Knicks' favor in terms of talent, but it does take a full year of max salary off their cap in 2009, which the Cavs could then commit to Lebron if he ever decides to opt out of his contract after the '08/'09 season... Steve Francis has played a little better than expected the past 2 games, but his health will always be a concern. Good trade? Yes or No?
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2/15/2007  6:54 PM
oops, forgot the add a "Bad trade from either perspective" option.
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2/15/2007  6:56 PM
not a bad roster:

C - Curry / Cato / Turd
PF - Gooden / Lee / Jefferies
SF - Q Rich / Balkman
SG - Hughes / Crawford
PG - Marbury / Collins


the new Cavs team:

C - Big Z / Frye / Pollard
PF - Varejao / Malik
SF - Marshall / Pavlovic
SG - Newble / Jones
PG - Francis / Snow / Nate
IA - Brown / Wesley / Gibson

more cap room in '09 & 2 1st round picks in '07

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 7:35 PM]
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2/15/2007  7:08 PM
I think thats a good trade for both teams.

While Hughes has a HUGE contract, he's a good player and I think he would be a good player for us. I still think that Gooden and Lee is pretty redundant but oh well. We would be getting more talent but the guys that the Cavs got would fit their team pretty well.

Good trade.
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2/15/2007  7:21 PM
Good trade for the Knicks--if and only if Isiah promises to play Lee ahead of Gooden.
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2/15/2007  7:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I think thats a good trade for both teams.

While Hughes has a HUGE contract, he's a good player and I think he would be a good player for us. I still think that Gooden and Lee is pretty redundant but oh well. We would be getting more talent but the guys that the Cavs got would fit their team pretty well.

Good trade.


i figure having 2 good rebounding F's like Gooden & Lee can only help us when Curry isn't exactly known for his rebounding skills... the perimeter shooting we'd lose from Frye we'd more than make up for in Hughes... & Hughes is a good perimeter defender, which we need desperately at the 2G spot... a 4 some of Gooden, Q Rich, Hughes & Marbury can help to offset the defensive deficiencies in Curry's game, & that would allow Eddy to focus on getting his points in the paint... leave the dirty work to guys like Gooden, D Lee & Q to grab the boards & defend down low... & having Hughes on the perimeter would also help to lighten the load on Marbury as well to guard bigger players all the time & focus more on the orchestrating part of his job as a PG... that's my reasoning anyway.
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2/15/2007  8:03 PM
Hughes has that big contract, & has durability concerns. I wish gooden was more of a shotblocker and taller so he could play center.

But Hughes plays great defense, and is a very good ball handler. He would give us strong perimeter defense. The team would be more balanced. Francis has no place on this team and Hughes also wouldn't really effect our cap situation since he ends the same time as Crawford & Richardson.

should follow that up with a reroute a Gooden for a stud Shotblocker who could play F/C.
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2/15/2007  8:05 PM
Larry is a better perimeter player then craw ( cant see it), that guy is a set shooter if i ever seen one. You listen to some of the commentators on for the opposing teams, and they rave about curry, lee, and craw.
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2/15/2007  8:05 PM
I wouldn't add rights to Chi's first rd pick though. Frye & Nate should be enough.
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2/15/2007  8:06 PM

Nope not worth the added salary...I like Craw better than Hughs...

I'll make a trade to help us get to the next level..This doesn't do that..
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2/15/2007  8:08 PM
Trade would not be smart for Cleveland. Why would they trade their best rebounder in Gooden?

Also they need a bonifide PG, Francis isn't the answer. Hughes and Crawford are pretty much the same type of player so we wouldn't need him.

Fyre's stock has dropped so Cleveland would prefer to have Gooden.
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2/15/2007  8:15 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Nope not worth the added salary...I like Craw better than Hughs...

I'll make a trade to help us get to the next level..This doesn't do that..

it's about adding pieces & building up for a bigger deal later... what form of impact deal do you realistically think we can make w/Francis, Frye, Nate & CHI's pick at this point that would bring this team to the next level?

newyork, i like the idea of moving Gooden for a shotblocker in another trade, but what bigmen are realistically available that could help this team? Erick Dampier? Adonal Foyle? there aren't that many viable options at the C/PF position in terms of shotblockers right now... if MIA would trade us Alonzo, Posey & their 2nd rounder for Gooden, i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... maybe Tyson Chandler for Gooden & Cato? i don't think the Hornets would pull the trigger on that one.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 8:17 PM]
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2/15/2007  8:20 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:


Nope not worth the added salary...I like Craw better than Hughs...

I'll make a trade to help us get to the next level..This doesn't do that..

it's about adding pieces & building up for a bigger deal later... what form of impact deal do you realistically think we can make w/Francis, Frye, Nate & CHI's pick at this point that would bring this team to the next level?

newyork, i like the idea of moving Gooden for a shotblocker in another trade, but what bigmen are realistically available that could help this team? Erick Dampier? Adonal Foyle? there aren't that many viable options at the C/PF position in terms of shotblockers right now... if MIA would trade us Alonzo & Posey for Gooden, i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... maybe Tyson Chandler for Gooden & Cato? i don't think the Hornets would pull the trigger on that one.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 8:16 PM]

You are trading for guys with their ceilings already locked in...Gooden is a 12 and 8 guy....Frye can do that and much better in two years...Hughs is a injury waiting to happen..Craw is more reliable..They are currently playiug with Lebron and are far away from contenders...I really don't see how this helps the Knicks...

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2/15/2007  8:54 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by holfresh:


Nope not worth the added salary...I like Craw better than Hughs...

I'll make a trade to help us get to the next level..This doesn't do that..

it's about adding pieces & building up for a bigger deal later... what form of impact deal do you realistically think we can make w/Francis, Frye, Nate & CHI's pick at this point that would bring this team to the next level?

newyork, i like the idea of moving Gooden for a shotblocker in another trade, but what bigmen are realistically available that could help this team? Erick Dampier? Adonal Foyle? there aren't that many viable options at the C/PF position in terms of shotblockers right now... if MIA would trade us Alonzo & Posey for Gooden, i'd make that deal in a heartbeat... maybe Tyson Chandler for Gooden & Cato? i don't think the Hornets would pull the trigger on that one.

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 8:16 PM]

You are trading for guys with their ceilings already locked in...Gooden is a 12 and 8 guy.
Gooden plays only 27 mpg. Play him 35 mpg and his #s will look better than Curry's.
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2/15/2007  9:17 PM

Gooden will be 15.5 pts and 10.8 rebs over 35 mins, Curry would be 20 pts 7.1 rebs..Frye 13.8pts 7.3 rebs...Lee 12.7 pts 12.0 rebs...

How does adding Gooden and Hughs help us...still...

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2/15/2007  9:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Gooden will be 15.5 pts and 10.8 rebs over 35 mins, Curry would be 20 pts 7.1 rebs..Frye 13.8pts 7.3 rebs...Lee 12.7 pts 12.0 rebs...

How does adding Gooden and Hughs help us...still...


Holfresh, adding those guys right this very moment might help a little bit.

But you are correct that it would be short-sighted to do so, and f they were so good they would be rocking and rolling with LeBron right now.

I bet LeBron wouldn't mind having Frye to pitch it out to when he is triple-teamed.

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2/15/2007  9:29 PM
I actually wouldnt do this trade. Im not convinced hughes and marbury will be a good backcourt pair, and I think there must be an easier way to get a rugged defending PF than this.
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2/15/2007  9:46 PM
I'd look to see if we could find a better deal for a package of Frye/Nate/1st round pick.
Not that I wouldn't necessarily do this deal, it just wouldn't be my first choice.
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2/15/2007  10:05 PM
appreciate the feedback fellas... it's not a slam knock em down trade by any means... just trying to see what types of realistic deals we can make at this point.
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2/15/2007  10:52 PM
I like the trade only because we keep Crawford. Hughes is solid but he is not a great 3pt shooter and I think Crawford is a better individual scorer when he is on. You start Hughes and then bring Crawford off the bench. Gooden and Lee are redundant, as others have said, but in getting rid of Francis and Rose's contracts, it would be worth it. I, however, think that Cleveland would not do it because they would not really have a shooting guard other than that rookie (who's name escapes me at the moment). Plus, I would be a little concerned about Hughes health. The guy misses 20 games every year.
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2/15/2007  11:40 PM
yeah, but Francis isn't exactly a durable backup for Steph either... it's a trade off of bad contracts in essence... what doesn't work in 1 place might work in another, as we all saw when Rasheed went to Detroit... a trade like this might yield some good dividends... the risk reward factor isn't that great for either team in this instance... the Knicks take on 1 extra year of salary & the Cavs take on a contract that's probably harder to move in Francis (considering the stage of his career & his diminishing production)

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 11:42 PM]
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