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King1
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2/11/2007  10:38 AM
There is no way in the world Lee should have been in the game late last night. He couldnt guard Okur, he had no energy and the refs were in his head. Isiah has to try JJ or Frye in that spot. A good coach will adjust when things arent working. A good coach take Crawford out after the 3rd time he tries to make an entry pass 25 feet away. If you arent going to play frye or JJ when Lee is playing like a donkey then trade them for a defensive player.
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2/11/2007  10:41 AM
thats why we signed the 6-11 jj for?
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2/11/2007  10:47 AM
Not to mention he was playing safe with 5 fouls at the end.
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2/11/2007  11:59 AM
I gotta agree with you guys. Lee was definitely playing with the 5 fouls on his mind on the play that Okur tied it up. JJ2 would have been perfect in that situation. As much as the refs went against us, this is where we actually lost the game.
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2/11/2007  12:22 PM
Last night was just one of those games jeffries should have been involved in.. even tho he has not played well.... He puts guys in positions to fail. Lee gaurding Okur.. Francis in at clutch time after a 3 month layoff.. Come on zeke
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2/11/2007  12:23 PM
Leewas not the problem last night. I take that game we just played for the rest of the season because I know that game is good enough to win 60 percent of the games we have left.

Improve the turnovers and get more then 18 points out of Frye/Q/Marbury and we never lose that game. I'd rather do that then blame the players for game they got jobbed in.

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2/11/2007  12:32 PM
I've thought and said for a while, that there is a reason the Indiana Pacers lost in the 1st round 3 straight times with Isiah at the helm; Isiah is a BAD in game coach when it comes to making adjustments. He's a great motivator but he constantly gets outcoached by the opposing coach.
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2/11/2007  12:36 PM
Is JJ healthy? I didn't see him in the game at all last night?
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2/11/2007  12:41 PM
I don't blame Thomas, it was a team loss, they made mistakes and failed to execute down the stretch. They played good "D" in the 3rd quarter and forgot how to play defense when it really mattered......like they have so many times.
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2/11/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

I've thought and said for a while, that there is a reason the Indiana Pacers lost in the 1st round 3 straight times with Isiah at the helm; Isiah is a BAD in game coach when it comes to making adjustments. He's a great motivator but he constantly gets outcoached by the opposing coach.

Is that so? Then why until last night the Knicks were 18-0 after leading in the 3rd. We lost that game because Okur mades some big shots and Lee could not guard him. Plus, Curry missed an easy putback in the last minute that lost us our cushion.
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2/11/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I've thought and said for a while, that there is a reason the Indiana Pacers lost in the 1st round 3 straight times with Isiah at the helm; Isiah is a BAD in game coach when it comes to making adjustments. He's a great motivator but he constantly gets outcoached by the opposing coach.

Is that so? Then why until last night the Knicks were 18-0 after leading in the 3rd.

This isn't the first time I made that statement, so it's not based on last nights game.

What does that stat mean that you're bringing to my attention? How does that prove that Isiah Thomas makes in-game adjustments? In-game adjustments usually take place in the first late 1st and also in the 2nd quarter... most of the time by the 4th quarter, the adjustments have taken place.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-11-2007 12:45 PM]
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2/11/2007  12:50 PM
Isiah had too many moving parts in yesterday's game...Can't blame Lee for everything, many had a part in that loss...Isiah played a 3 guard offense that baffled Utah and got the 10 pt lead...He switched that offense when Curry got back in the game and the Knicks could not readjust at critical spots..He also pulled Marbs for Francis and no one out there could run the team thus many turnovers at critical times in the game...He should have known this from the Indiana game when Craw and others could not even get the ball up court at critical time in the game...Big Snacks got more touches (2) than Frye in the post...The Knicks didn't execute down the stretch but Isiah play a huge role in that loss as well...



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[Edited by - holfresh on 02-11-2007 12:51 PM]
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2/11/2007  12:53 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by nyk4ever:

I've thought and said for a while, that there is a reason the Indiana Pacers lost in the 1st round 3 straight times with Isiah at the helm; Isiah is a BAD in game coach when it comes to making adjustments. He's a great motivator but he constantly gets outcoached by the opposing coach.

Is that so? Then why until last night the Knicks were 18-0 after leading in the 3rd.

This isn't the first time I made that statement, so it's not based on last nights game.

What does that stat mean that you're bringing to my attention? How does that prove that Isiah Thomas makes in-game adjustments? In-game adjustments usually take place in the first late 1st and also in the 2nd quarter... most of the time by the 4th quarter, the adjustments have taken place.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-11-2007 12:45 PM]

It would seem to me that if IT was constantly getting outcoached, we would have lost alot more games in the fourth quarter. Adjustments are made throughout the game, not just in the 1st quarter and halftime. I have seen IT makes some good adjustments and some bad adjustments and I certainly am not saying that he is a brillant in-game coach, but your statement that he is a BAD in game coach, IMHO is over the top. We did not lose that game because of IT's coaching. Lee should have been able to guard Okur. He is far more athletic. He needs to work on his defensive technique and recognition. Our players thought the game was over and failed to realize that a team like Utah is going to fight to the end, especially at home.
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2/11/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by TheGame:



It would seem to me that if IT was constantly getting outcoached, we would have lost alot more games in the fourth quarter. Adjustments are made throughout the game, not just in the 1st quarter and halftime. I have seen IT makes some good adjustments and some bad adjustments and I certainly am not saying that he is a brillant in-game coach, but your statement that he is a BAD in game coach, IMHO is over the top. We did not lose that game because of IT's coaching. Lee should have been able to guard Okur. He is far more athletic. He needs to work on his defensive technique and recognition. Our players thought the game was over and failed to realize that a team like Utah is going to fight to the end, especially at home.

Woah, woah, woah. I never said once last night that we lost because of Isiah. Not once. We lost because the Jazz played better and are a better team, who were also at home. Although I agree a bit with King, that there were some moves that could have been made by Isiah, in no way did I say I was holding him accountable for last nights loss.
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2/11/2007  1:30 PM
Balkman could have played better defense than Lee last night. It was ridiculous for Isiah to even try to put Lee on Okur.
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2/11/2007  1:32 PM
The trend with Lee is that he plays AVERAGE defense. He plays pretty decent defense inside but against 3's and Jumpshooting big men, Lee does not play good defense. It was a bad move by Isiah to stick with Lee on Okur.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

The trend with Lee is that he plays AVERAGE defense. He plays pretty decent defense inside but against 3's and Jumpshooting big men, Lee does not play good defense. It was a bad move by Isiah to stick with Lee on Okur.

Average defense, really...What trend??...He is simple a poor defender inside and out...Okur is not a post presence...He is basically a jump shooting center...If Lee can't guard Okur, who should he guard then??
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2/11/2007  1:46 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Average defense, really...What trend??...He is simple a poor defender inside and out...Okur is not a post presence...He is basically a jump shooting center...If Lee can't guard Okur, who should he guard then??


Lee plays some pretty decent defense downlow. It's not great or anything but it's decent. He does NOT play good defense on anyone on the perimeter.

It's funny Holfresh, you talk and talk talk about how poorly Lees defense is but you NEVER mention how poorly Frye and Currys defense are. Their defense is on par or worse than Lees, yet never a peep.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Average defense, really...What trend??...He is simple a poor defender inside and out...Okur is not a post presence...He is basically a jump shooting center...If Lee can't guard Okur, who should he guard then??


Lee plays some pretty decent defense downlow. It's not great or anything but it's decent. He does NOT play good defense on anyone on the perimeter.

It's funny Holfresh, you talk and talk talk about how poorly Lees defense is but you NEVER mention how poorly Frye and Currys defense are. Their defense is on par or worse than Lees, yet never a peep.

I agree that Frye's and Curry's defense is poor...If anyone here talks about their good defense, I will then say they are wrong too...But to be fair, Frye's defense is better than Lee's...I don't understand how you can look at last night game and say it decent...Then you are always saying the people who Lee should not be guarding...Another guy was telling me Lee should not be expected to guard anyone on the perimeter...Come on...
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2/11/2007  2:05 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I agree that Frye's and Curry's defense is poor...If anyone here talks about their good defense, I will then say they are wrong too...But to be fair, Frye's defense is better than Lee's...I don't understand how you can look at last night game and say it decent...Then you are always saying the people who Lee should not be guarding...Another guy was telling me Lee should not be expected to guard anyone on the perimeter...Come on...


Listen man, I'm not absolving Lee. Im saying if hes in the game what do you want him to do? Isiah SHOULD not have had him guarding Okur, because Lees defense isn't good, ESPECIALLY on guys that play outside like Okur does. I think Lee is a decent defender when he defends on the inside where he can bang. I'm not calling him great, I'm not calling him above average. I'm calling him average. Last night, Balkman or someone else shoulda been in the game hounding Okur. What else do you want me to say? I've already said Lee's defense isn't good. I do NOT think Frye is a better defender, I think they are both average to below-average.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-11-2007 2:07 PM]
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