Posted by Silverfuel:

wow! I can't believe you had the time on your hands to make a post like that. Honestly, every forum requires people on both extremes and people in the middle. Who do you think will say "please shut up". Most of the guys have just learned to ignore one or two of the posters that annoy them. I think I live somewhere between the optimists and the middle.

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Silverfuel:

wow! I can't believe you had the time on your hands to make a post like that. Honestly, every forum requires people on both extremes and people in the middle. Who do you think will say "please shut up". Most of the guys have just learned to ignore one or two of the posters that annoy them. I think I live somewhere between the optimists and the middle.

Well, so far 50% of the voters want us to just shut up, so clearly I wasn't off when I posted this. I'm not going to name names, but that's my general impression, reading some of the responses to certain known "haters" lately. We all like to be right, but why have a discussion if people can't talk calmly and logically without it breaking down into an insult fest or a series of "you said this" when that poster never said such a thing. I find that behavior frustrating/abusive.

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bippity10:

as long as we are losing there will be more negative things than positive things to say. When we are winning there will be more positive things to say than negative. Number 2: fans always want to find ways to fix their teams. Guys sitting around watching a .400 team and talking about how great the team is, really aren't any better fans than guys that are trying to figure out how we can get better.

I guess I just don't understand why some are so sensitive to a negative opinion that they won't disccuss what they actually disagree with. They just attack the negativity, only to restat the exact same thing later on in a more "positive light". Get over it. If you disagree with an opinion, don't attack, say what you think is unfair and discuss. Some have such a hard time with that.

Who sits around thinking that a .400 team is great? Mediocre yes, but not great. You might be exaggerating unless you want to name a particular poster who said we're great. And who is to say that the ones who think this .400 team is mediocre and can get better aren't also hoping and trying to figure out ways that we can get better? This is not a finished product out there, I think everyone can agree on that. Some are willing to totally blow up the front office, some are willing to blow up the entire team, others are tired of getting blown up and want to stay the course.

My opinion today is fire isiah or not, i dont really want the new GM to trade away guys just to make his stamp on the team. We needed a shake-up 4 years ago. Now we have had the soil turned-over completely and we're barely starting to grow again. I think we have the ingredients in the soil and just need some careful weeding done. Isiah or not, I want to see guys like David Lee and Channing Frye and Eddy Curry grow up together. I don't care who starts, those three cats are fun to root for and all have distinct NBA talent. Would I trade two of em for Garnett and a short window at a title rather than years of development? Hmmmmm... no, not really. Keep the kids. Grow the Knicks.

It was an exaggeration to make a point.

Posted by izybx:

Obviously if there wasnt any "haters" on the board than there would be nothing to talk about. There are a couple people on here that are pretty obnoxious tho...i think im pretty middle ground, but there are some people on here that im convinced hate the knicks, they make excuses for why they win, nitpick everything, and are just in general crybabies. But whatever i guess they do serve a role. I dont think that not being all excited about a .400 team makes you a hater or whatever, but theres a couple people on here who bitch and moan so much I do just wish they would shut the **** up.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bippity10:

as long as we are losing there will be more negative things than positive things to say. When we are winning there will be more positive things to say than negative. Number 2: fans always want to find ways to fix their teams. Guys sitting around watching a .400 team and talking about how great the team is, really aren't any better fans than guys that are trying to figure out how we can get better.

I guess I just don't understand why some are so sensitive to a negative opinion that they won't disccuss what they actually disagree with. They just attack the negativity, only to restat the exact same thing later on in a more "positive light". Get over it. If you disagree with an opinion, don't attack, say what you think is unfair and discuss. Some have such a hard time with that.

Who sits around thinking that a .400 team is great? Mediocre yes, but not great. You might be exaggerating unless you want to name a particular poster who said we're great. And who is to say that the ones who think this .400 team is mediocre and can get better aren't also hoping and trying to figure out ways that we can get better? This is not a finished product out there, I think everyone can agree on that. Some are willing to totally blow up the front office, some are willing to blow up the entire team, others are tired of getting blown up and want to stay the course.

My opinion today is fire isiah or not, i dont really want the new GM to trade away guys just to make his stamp on the team. We needed a shake-up 4 years ago. Now we have had the soil turned-over completely and we're barely starting to grow again. I think we have the ingredients in the soil and just need some careful weeding done. Isiah or not, I want to see guys like David Lee and Channing Frye and Eddy Curry grow up together. I don't care who starts, those three cats are fun to root for and all have distinct NBA talent. Would I trade two of em for Garnett and a short window at a title rather than years of development? Hmmmmm... no, not really. Keep the kids. Grow the Knicks.

what if you trade some of them for other kids?

Yes, but don't parents see their own kids in a more critical light than the kids of others? That grass isn't always greener, going back to my plant analogy. I like our frontcourt in general more than i like the other positions. Were tops in rebounds. We just lack shotblocking at the moment unless JJ1 emerges as a force outta nowhere.