Isiah's Plan for Eddy Post All-Star
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oohah
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 4/7/2005 Member: #887 |
2/1/2007 3:33 PM
you left this part out:I've bee reading X-Men for a long time, but I missed you on that one. Funny though, because even though I want Lee starting, it is very hard to complain when a guy is doing so well with the way he has been played. Another thing, Lee has improved, but I don't think he has improved that much. He was damn good last year. He could have been a rebounding phenomenon as a rookie. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Queeniepop
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2/1/2007 3:46 PM
Posted by oohah:Now that we are aware that Lee is being kept out of the SL to be the 6th man, deliberately by Zeke, "Accolades and awards are coming in. Can you give me credit?" Operative word is ME. Remember this season isnt about Larry Brown attempting to coach and magically turn around these players. THIS SEASON IS ABOUT ISIAH and HIS players...can these players maintain ISIAH'S JOB? Can these players play and win FOR ISIAH. Why not credit Lee? Why not start Lee- he is clearly outplaying Frye...he plays the majority of the game. Curry obviously needs help on the rebounding end...Frye and Jeffries are oft-benched. He keeps him on the bench so that ISIAH can say "accolades and awards are coming in...credit ME." Credit you! Cool we may have the best BENCH player in the league...how bout making Lee a starter...who the F gets a double-double off the bench??? EVERY NITE. Isiah the Genious & his award-winning "sixth man" David Lee. SWEEEEEET. (and this is nothing towards David but towards Isiah's flawed thinking). All through the day I me mine, I me mine, I me mine All through the night I me mine, I me mine, I me mine Now they're frightened of leaving it Ev'ryone's weaving it Coming on strong all the time All through the day I me mine - George Harrison |
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oohah
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2/1/2007 4:05 PM
Why not credit Lee? Why not start Lee- he is clearly outplaying Frye...he plays the majority of the game. I always give the player 98% of the credit. I am not a believer in coaches magically making silk purse out of sow's ear. However, you have to give the coach the 2% of credit of putting a player in a role where he is excelling. There may be a hundred thing aboput Isiah's coaching to get mad about, but Lee is not one of them. And I really don't see what IT said that was so bad. Really I don't. He has given Lee plenty of credit throughout the season. I am for Lee starting too, but I think it is Jeffries that should go to the bench. That way the front line has shooting, rebounding, and inside scoring. No defense, but Jeffries is no Rodman, I just don't feel he makes that difference. In fact I like JJ better off the bench. oohah Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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Allanfan20
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2/1/2007 4:21 PM
It's all how you interpret it. I personally think Lee has already won the starting job and it sounds like Isiah is trying to put Lee in a position to either not be in foul trouble by not starting him, or for him to get the 6th man of the year award. Does Isiah get credit for that? I really can't say yes. David Lee is the one putting the work in, and he could probably excel even more as a starter. Most other coaches would be riding on Lee's jockstrap right now while begging to get Curry and/or Frye to be traded.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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BlueSeats
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2/1/2007 4:54 PM
It's interesting that our best stretch of the last two seasons came with AD at powerforward and Lee at SF.
Kinda speaks to the deficiencies, then and now, at those positions. I think Isiah's afraid to start Lee on the basis that Frye or Skinny would have such a hard time being productive off the bench. The extra minutes Lee might get as a starter wouldn't be sufficient to translate to significant additional wins, but then, nor would Isiah have trophy players to point to. In the end though, I have a feeling there were significant disagreements between Isiah and LB last year regarding the viability of a Curry and Frye pairing, and Isiah is working hard to prove himself right. |
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newyorknewyork
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2/1/2007 5:04 PM
Whats Marburys rating since the brawl? Whats the knicks record with Marbury out of the lineup? Marbury played absolutly horrible in the beginning of the yr. Im sure thats a big reason why his 82games.com stats aren't looking so good.
That said I would move Marbury since he doesn't consistantly impact games the way he should. Like vs Bucks & Bobcats, he should have easily been the best player on the court and took over. Making him way overpayed. But the team isn't better without him. We are better with an upgrade over him. I would also say that Isiah making Marbury & Francis allstars & the motion offense was scrapped when Eddie Curry showed that he could be a beast down low on offense. Last season a ton of people(especially the ones who diss like Marbury) begged for Marbury & Francis & everyone to take a secondary role to Eddie Curry. So it has now happend and its not working the way that everyone who blamed Marbury for last season thought it would. So now the heat is on Curry. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Vmart
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2/1/2007 6:26 PM
Isiah should tell Curry to take it all out on the League for not being in the all star game. Make them pay by performing at even a higher level.
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4949
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2/1/2007 6:26 PM
I have a feeling none of our Knicks will make it to the all-star game. Not even Nate as a slam dunker.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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BlueSeats
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2/1/2007 6:30 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork: Amazing... you're still feeling sorry for Marbury... People were down on him last year because he had sooo much trouble to buy into his role as a PG. It was all about "freedom" for him. He'd have rather played SG than play as he's doing now. Ironically though, sometime in January '06 he started to "get it" and we went on a 6 game win streak. All this proved was that we could have won a lot more if he'd gotten with the program sooner, but alas... Few people criticized his floor play then, though we did express a lack of faith in him on many levels over the long haul. In stereotypical fashion, to prove his haters once again right, when he got injured he chose to express his "leadership" by challenging Brown through the media. I'm sure you remember comments like "he seems insecure" and "I think we should run NO set plays." On top of that he never regained his strength. Of course few could have faith in him as a leader. Additionally, last season saw Crawford as a less confident but more controlled PG. Some got the sense that if Isiah were bedding down with him in any capacity close to what he's done with Marbury he could reap a better return. Why? Better health, more coachable, more clutch, AND better chemistry with our new franchise player (as defined not by us but by Isiah): Eddy Curry. Now things have changed for Crawford. Isiah rarely plays him at PG, and he's letting him get drunk on "freedom", and I no longer trust that Crawford is capable of what I thought he might be last year. There's such a lack of consistency around here. Sure, some like yourself wish it were so simple as to believe that Isiah is always scapegoated first, followed by Marbury and then whoever else is in the eye of the storm, but I contend that when you have a perennially flawed roster and fans are in the same position as coaches in trying to figure out how to draw blood from a stone (otherwise known as trying to eek wins from a dysfunctional roster) one needs to get down to the nitty gritty of mental toughness, reliability, character, potential, leadership, likeability, chemstry, durability, etc. Unfortunately, Marbury often comes up short on close inspection, as do far too many on this team. But go ahead, weep another tear for Marbury and blame the fans. [Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-01-2007 6:32 PM] |
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fishmike
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2/1/2007 6:37 PM
Posted by kam77:well you said MSG and Dolan's mandate are partially responsible which is a reoccuring theme around here. Its something used as a constant excuse. You did say its Isiah's doing which obviously it is. I chose a poor tone in my response to your post though.. sorry about that. Didnt mean to come off like an ass (happens naturally for me) Posted by Queeniepop:its not misleading at all when there's a large body of work to draw on. When a guy only plays sporatic minutes those numbers are skewed. When your sampling a large body of work like 40+ games and looking at core players that are playing over 60% of the teams minutes those numbers paint a pretty clear picture. One thing hurting those numbers has been the play of the starters and Frye, who's been awfull playing out of position at the 4. Those first 8-10 minutes have obviously hurt the other starter's ratings, but you cant ignore the rest and Lee's impact is just in your face. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Isiah's Plan for Eddy Post All-Star