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TheGame
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1/31/2007  6:39 AM
Last night:

Min FG 3p FT O TR A T STL B PF PT
Bynum, C 23 4-9 0-0 1-2 1 4 1 0 0 1 5 9
Curry, C 42 9-18 0-0 9-12 4 9 1 7 1 1 3 27


Curry pretty much dominated Bynum in every statistical category. In watching the game, it is clear Bynum has some offensive potential and will become a solid defensive player. However, he was no match for Curry's offensive game and could not stay out of foul trouble. It will be interesting to see how he does when Curry comes to his town.

Curry had a great offensive game, but had another lackluster defensive game. He made a few plays, but overall, he once again was late on defensive rotations, did not jump to contest all the shots he could have, and failed to go after several rebounds. I think I saw a post where someone stated that Curry is afraid to get fouls. I agree and think that he is too concerned about fouling out of games and plays tentatively on defense. I think he can play better defense. He is agile and has good arm length and can jump when he actually decides to, but he has to bring that focus and intensity. The coaching staff is really going to have to work with him over the next year to improve his defense.

Overall, I think it is too soon to tell whether Bynum will surpass Curry as a center. Bynum has the edge as a defensive player and is younger but Curry is vastly superior as an offensive threat. It really will come down to how much Curry improves as a defensive player compared to how much Bynum improves on offense. Bynum though is clearly a solid center prospect and will likely be L.A.'s center for the next 10 years.

[Edited by - TheGame on 01-31-2007 06:44 AM]

[Edited by - TheGame on 01-31-2007 06:47 AM]
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1/31/2007  7:28 AM
Without Kobe demanding attention, we didn't see the real bynum that has been ballin pretty good .
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1/31/2007  7:56 AM
I thought Bynum was pretty good. He passed out of the post quite often not willing to force anything. He got called for some tough fouls but thems the breaks. He's huge and very athletic. I'm pretty amazed we passed on him for Channing.
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1/31/2007  8:43 AM
I'm a Curry guy right now and I took some heat on the Curry for Bynum thread but I think its an unfair comparison. Only because Bynum is so young. He needs a few more years before he can really establish an identity for himself. I watched him last night and he seems to have good defensive instincts some nice offensive moves. He seems to want to play hard which is half the battle.

There is a very good chance Curry does nothing against Bynum in LA when they play again on Friday. We'll see what happens then but lemme say this as a Curry guy, lets give his defense a year.
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1/31/2007  9:00 AM
i thought bynum was very good also. the guy's footwork is pretty darn good and even tho he missed some of his moves, they looked VERY good. he was over aggressive on that channing dunk attempt when he got that 3rd foul and i'm not sure why phil left him in the game after he picked up his 2nd so we didn't get to see him that much until the 2nd half. anyways, i thought it was a good performance. he's already a better rebounder, defender, and passer than eddy or channing...and that's the scary thing.
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1/31/2007  9:12 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Curry had a great offensive game, but had another lackluster defensive game. He made a few plays, but overall, he once again was late on defensive rotations, did not jump to contest all the shots he could have, and failed to go after several rebounds. I think I saw a post where someone stated that Curry is afraid to get fouls. I agree and think that he is too concerned about fouling out of games and plays tentatively on defense. I think he can play better defense. He is agile and has good arm length and can jump when he actually decides to, but he has to bring that focus and intensity. The coaching staff is really going to have to work with him over the next year to improve his defense.

complete agreement here.
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1/31/2007  9:21 AM
bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.
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1/31/2007  9:22 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:

bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.

i don't know if he'll ever get to curry level on offense. curry right now is in a zone offensively where he feels he can score every time he touches it.
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1/31/2007  9:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.

i don't know if he'll ever get to curry level on offense. curry right now is in a zone offensively where he feels he can score every time he touches it.

yeah, I agree, sometimes everyone here values defense so much more at times.
I think it's cool that isiah got frye and lee in the same draft (he wanted bynum and frye)
not bad.

Bynum looked good. I was impressed with his play.
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1/31/2007  9:39 AM
when curry jumps to contest a shot he moves his body in a way that makes it impossible for him to block a shot, he does this i believe to avoid contact....... but he has to learn to manage his fouls and know when to contest a shot and when not to....Also how to position him self to block a shot and avoid contact... If i were on the Knicks staff I would put together some video of him poorly contesting a shot and someone like Zo or Garnett in the same situation doing it well so he can study it
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1/31/2007  9:49 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.

i don't know if he'll ever get to curry level on offense. curry right now is in a zone offensively where he feels he can score every time he touches it.

probably because no one short of Shaq or Yao Ming can really stop him when he really wants to put the ball in the basket... Bynum & the Lakers look like they have some good young talent, but how about some props for our own young talent? Curry, Lee, Balkman... these guys are our core for the future & i think some of us tend to fall way too much in love w/young players on other teams & take for granted what we have on our own team.

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1/31/2007  9:52 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
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bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.

i don't know if he'll ever get to curry level on offense. curry right now is in a zone offensively where he feels he can score every time he touches it.

probably because no one short of Shaq or Yao Ming can really stop him when he really wants to put the ball in the basket... Bynum & the Lakers look like they have some good young talent, but how about some props for our own young talent? Curry, Lee, Balkman... these guys are our core for the future & i think some of us tend to fall way too much in love w/young players on other teams & take for granted what we have on our own team.

OK, I figured out why I'm so suprised by your posts, I thought you were MS, not TMS. OK...now it's making sense.

I think our young core really showed where we are headed...anyone that says they should have blown them out should look at the knicks after the brawl, the cavs last night without lebron, etc.

That first game, undermanned teams play better and we still stood strong.

Also, you guys are right, frye's defense is horrible, but it's all mental, once he figures it out (he's a smart player) he'll be even much much better.
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1/31/2007  9:55 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by babyKnicks:

bynum looked good, but he's not going to be able to check Curry one on one.

It'll be nice to see him, lee and frye grow.

i don't know if he'll ever get to curry level on offense. curry right now is in a zone offensively where he feels he can score every time he touches it.

probably because no one short of Shaq or Yao Ming can really stop him when he really wants to put the ball in the basket... Bynum & the Lakers look like they have some good young talent, but how about some props for our own young talent? Curry, Lee, Balkman... these guys are our core for the future & i think some of us tend to fall way too much in love w/young players on other teams & take for granted what we have on our own team.

the young talent on both teams don't mean anything without a franchise guy. lakers ain't jack with kobe. and we ain't jack b/c we never had kobe.

why are people higher on teams like charlotte, memphis, or chicago when it comes to their youth? it's b/c those teams have a better shot at getting the franchise guy. and in this league, you need the franchise guy.

our youth is very talented and very comparable to the other youth in the league...but again, how do we improve upon it?

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-31-2007 09:56 AM]
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1/31/2007  10:00 AM
Curry is a great offensive player, he also had 7 turnovers and let the Lakers pretty much go right up the middle. You don't judge on one game, Curry should be dominating out there he is a massive force and has 60 pounds on the kid and knows how to use his body.

You look for progression from a player, and Curry finally progressed offesively in his 7th seaon.

Bynum already has nice moves around the basket, up and unders, drop steps, and a good defensive presence. He dropped a ton of weight, has fight and is working to get better...

Jay Greenberg wrote a great articles which basically summed up the Knicks future with this team, which is limited. Curry is always going to be bad on defense is always going to be lazy and overweight and will dominate the game on offense while doing nothing on defense.
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how does a team like Chicago have a better shot at getting a franchise guy over the Knicks? unless they're getting Oden this year, i don't see any other player w/more upside potential than Curry in the draft... how is Curry, D Lee, Channing & Balkman a less likely young core to get us a franchise player than Deng, TT, Gordon & Hinrich?

Charlotte has Okafor... ok, that's 1... Morrison? sorry, no... i'll take D Lee or Curry over him in a heartbeat... who does Memphis have? they're looking to trade Gasol at this point & he hasn't been healthy all year... how are Warrick & Gay any better than what we have? i'll take Curry or D Lee over any of their young players.
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1/31/2007  10:04 AM
Bynum looks like a slightly smoother version of Brenden Haywood.
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1/31/2007  10:04 AM
Posted by TMS:

how does a team like Chicago have a better shot at getting a franchise guy over the Knicks? unless they're getting Oden this year, i don't see any other player w/more upside potential than Curry in the draft... how is Curry, D Lee, Channing & Balkman a less likely young core to get us a franchise player than Deng, TT, Gordon & Hinrich?

Charlotte has Okafor... ok, that's 1... Morrison? sorry, no... i'll take D Lee or Curry over him in a heartbeat... who does Memphis have? they're looking to trade Gasol at this point & he hasn't been healthy all year... how are Warrick & Gay any better than what we have? i'll take Curry or D Lee over any of their young players.

chicago is under the cap next year and can afford to trade 3 of their younger players. they're a winning team. young players on winning teams have higher value than young players on losing teams. they have MORE options than we do.

memphis has a great shot at oden or durant. they also have a group of young talent with a boat load of cap room coming up. they have MORE options than we do.

you're trying to compare youth vs. youth...i'm talking about ADDING to the youth and getting the franchise guy.
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OK, I figured out why I'm so suprised by your posts, I thought you were MS, not TMS. OK...now it's making sense.

I used to do that too.......................
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TMS are you kidding me right now Deng is on the cusp of being an allstar, gordon is far better than any guard on this team and is clutch, thomas is going to be a great shotblocker and rebounder, the other kid they got in the draft is going to be a great player....Hinirich actually plays defense we don't have one guard that does. The knicks young core sucks to be honest three guys that don't play defense, I love dlee and i think he is the most valuable player on this team by far, because he has a brain and can get people involved

If you don't think Durant has more upside potential your on drugs he is one of the most talented players in college ball in the last decagde, and oden is putting up big numbers with one hand....

Curry is not really a big positive because with his turnovers and lack of defense his offense is basically a wash for what he gives up, and allows in penetration, when was the last time he commited a hard foul.......

Channing sucks watch the games, he is slow and unathletic and doesn't know how to use his body and can't rebound. He is soft and hangs on out looking for jumpers, never goes to the glass and unless he is wide open he isn't nailing jumpers.....
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1/31/2007  10:29 AM
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TMS are you kidding me right now Deng is on the cusp of being an allstar

& Curry & D Lee aren't i guess... nice analogy.

gordon is far better than any guard on this team and is clutch

please, i'll put up Jamal against him any day of the week

thomas is going to be a great shotblocker and rebounder

& what, D Lee & Curry are nothing but future role players?


the other kid they got in the draft is going to be a great player

Sefolosha??? how does he have any bigger upside than Balkman?


Hinirich actually plays defense we don't have one guard that does.

& how does that mean he'll net them a franchise calibre player? would you trade D Lee for him? i wouldn't.


The knicks young core sucks to be honest three guys that don't play defense

most young players don't play good defense... i guess it doesn't matter that we have our best young low post offensive player in a long time in Curry, the best rebounding young F in the game in D Lee, a promising F w/a nice shooting touch in Channing, a proven impact hustle player when given minutes in Balkman, & a guy who can be a nice x-factor type energy sparkplug off the bench in Nate (when he's got his head screwed on straight obviously)... let's trade all those guys for 4 D-leaguers who play D since it's all about defense with some of you.

If you don't think Durant has more upside potential your on drugs

then i guess i'm freakin' high cuz i do think that Curry has the bigger upside... i've seen Durant play & sorry, he is not the next Kevin Garnett... he may have a similar style game, but i don't see the same type of explosiveness or the same raw athleticism as Garnett had coming into the NBA.

Curry is not really a big positive because with his turnovers and lack of defense his offense is basically a wash for what he gives up, and allows in penetration, when was the last time he commited a hard foul...

so committing a hard foul would qualify him as a positive... wonderful... let's draft the next Chris Dudley & hope that he turns into our foundation for the future.

Channing sucks watch the games, he is slow and unathletic and doesn't know how to use his body and can't rebound. He is soft and hangs on out looking for jumpers, never goes to the glass and unless he is wide open he isn't nailing jumpers.....

dude, i watch every game & i'm well aware of his weaknesses... who the hell ever said he could play defense or that he was quick on his feet? i said he has a nice shooting touch for a bigman... i guess you completely forgot about the 30 pt games he was putting up last season... maybe you didn't watch those games.
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