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holfresh
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1/27/2007  2:21 AM

Call me crazy but if Isiah adds no salary and develops the team for the next two years...The New York Knickerbockers will be sporting a tidy 41.2 mil team salary for the year 2009...Coincidently, Bron Bron will opt out of his final year with Cleveland in 2008/09, I guarantee it...The salary cap for 2006/07 is now set at 53.135 mil...It could be at 55 mil in 2009/10...

Why bring this up now....Watching a Cavalier game this week...The announcers was wondering what is wrong with LeBron this year...They said he seemed disinterested this year...Could Lebron be tired of Cleveland...If he is, there is no better Arena on the planet to display his dazzling array of skills..

A move like that would be just what the NBA needs...This automatically makes the Knicks a contender in the east if all things remain the same...Maybe I'm dreaming but I can really see this happening...Any thoughts???
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1/27/2007  2:28 AM
1) Did you figure in built in salary increases to Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman?

2) If you're right, and Isiah (or his successor) continues to spend profligately, fire them.
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1/27/2007  2:33 AM
Posted by Rich:

1) Did you figure in built in salary increases to Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, Balkman?

2) If you're right, and Isiah (or his successor) continues to spend profligately, fire them.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Look for yourself....

The Knicks have an option on Fyre, Nate, Balk and Lee in 2008/09...



[Edited by - holfresh on 01-27-2007 02:34 AM]
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1/27/2007  4:57 AM
First off, you better pray Isiah isn't around here for another 2 years. Second off, never look that deep into the future when it comes to salary and the Knicks. They can be on the hook for $0 and find a way to get over the cap in 5 minutes.
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1/27/2007  5:09 AM

Well it's interesting that Isiah hasn't pulled a trade all year and isn't looking for one...If we can see the salary picture two years from now, don't you think Isiah knows what the Knicks will look like in two years as well...
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1/27/2007  7:47 AM
this is the only way for the knicks to become a championship contender. What has to happen, though, is that this squad, as assembled, develops into a solid foundation of role players and bit players that a lebron or wade or other star can look at, and think- I'm the missing piece, they have enough parts to complement me- I'm there.

Curry has an opt out also, at some point-
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1/27/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by holfresh:


Call me crazy but if Isiah adds no salary and develops the team for the next two years...The New York Knickerbockers will be sporting a tidy 41.2 mil team salary for the year 2009...Coincidently, Bron Bron will opt out of his final year with Cleveland in 2008/09, I guarantee it...The salary cap for 2006/07 is now set at 53.135 mil...It could be at 55 mil in 2009/10...

Why bring this up now....Watching a Cavalier game this week...The announcers was wondering what is wrong with LeBron this year...They said he seemed disinterested this year...Could Lebron be tired of Cleveland...If he is, there is no better Arena on the planet to display his dazzling array of skills..

A move like that would be just what the NBA needs...This automatically makes the Knicks a contender in the east if all things remain the same...Maybe I'm dreaming but I can really see this happening...Any thoughts???


Obviously being under the cap is one way of operating and it would be great for the Knicks to get under the cap. I just don't see any chance of that happening. The idea is great, the likelihood is slim to none though.
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1/27/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by franco12:

this is the only way for the knicks to become a championship contender. What has to happen, though, is that this squad, as assembled, develops into a solid foundation of role players and bit players that a lebron or wade or other star can look at, and think- I'm the missing piece, they have enough parts to complement me- I'm there.

Curry has an opt out also, at some point-

I agree with your comments, this has to be the big picture plan. outside of the Pistons, history shows you need a bonafide superstar to win the title, in most cases you need 2. If he just stays put and find away to get rid of those stupid mid level along with bringing the team up to a respectable franchise around the league, we could definately lure someone in. It's NYC, no other place to play, they all say its special playing in the garden so lets hope someone signs or demands a trade.

I also think Curry will be loyal to NY, they took a chance on him and paid him the big bucks when the rest of the league pretty much was unwilling to take the risk. In that he has managed to revitalize his career and if he continues to improve then all he will get more love from the crowd and fans and he will fill the void left by Ewing
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1/27/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks have an option on Fyre, Nate, Balk and Lee in 2008/09...

So the question becomes, do you want to let ALL of those players go in free agency to get LeBron? Hey it's not a bad strategy, but all that leaves us with is Curry, LeBron, Mardy Collins, Craw, Q, Jeffries. Lee will probably get $10 MM a year somewhere, Frye maybe $5 MM a year, Nate maybe $5 MM a year and Balk who knows. We won't be able to afford to resign any of those guys. That's four *great* picks down the drain. At the same time, though, I would trade ALL four for LeBron. I just don't see how any Knicks GM would let them get away to free agency like that, considering that this franchise has a history of having the forsight of about one month into the future.
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1/27/2007  11:05 AM
The Knicks will be under the cap when...
Dolan sells the franchise (i.e., never)
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1/27/2007  11:09 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks will be under the cap when...
Dolan sells the franchise (i.e., never)

Of course. It's an unrealistic scenario. But just to entertain the thought... it would require us taking on only one year contracts. If we were the Nets, I'd say it's possible, because that's what a fiscally responsible team does. They don't pay $6 MM for good roleplayers when they can get decent ones for $1 MM. Isiah as the GM under the idea of making no long term roster moves... AND under the premise that he's going to have to let Frye, Lee, Nate, etc... walk just to be far enough under the cap to get LeBron. It sounds very unlikely.
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1/27/2007  11:11 AM
Although, if this were the plan, I would consider trading Frye, Nate, Collins, etc... for cap relief for Jeffries and James, so we could be far enough under the cap to sign LeBron AND resign Lee.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 27 2007 11:12 AM]
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1/27/2007  11:18 AM

C-Curry
PF-Lee
SF-Balkman
SG-LeBron (ideally SF)
PG-Crawford (ideally SG?)

is a good start. We'd have to fill in the remaining slots with veteran's minimum type players and rookies for the first season... but that's fine. Because then we could use the MLE year after year and our draft picks to fill in the missing slots. Our core would be in tact, which is the important part.
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1/27/2007  11:24 AM
Doesn't Curry have a player option after 2008?

Does anyone actually believe that Isiah won't be adding any salary from now until then?

We're not getting under the cap as long as Isiah is here.
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1/27/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks have an option on Fyre, Nate, Balk and Lee in 2008/09...

So the question becomes, do you want to let ALL of those players go in free agency to get LeBron? Hey it's not a bad strategy, but all that leaves us with is Curry, LeBron, Mardy Collins, Craw, Q, Jeffries. Lee will probably get $10 MM a year somewhere, Frye maybe $5 MM a year, Nate maybe $5 MM a year and Balk who knows. We won't be able to afford to resign any of those guys. That's four *great* picks down the drain. At the same time, though, I would trade ALL four for LeBron. I just don't see how any Knicks GM would let them get away to free agency like that, considering that this franchise has a history of having the forsight of about one month into the future.

Lee will only be qualified to make 2.6 mil that year...Frye 4.2 and Nate 2.9...They would still be under contract if their options are picked up the year before and their numbers are figured into the 41.2 team salary already...In other words, the only contract for the Knicks to worry about will be Marbury and if they want to bring him back...Curry can opt out as well but he will be leaving 10.5 and 11 mil the following year...He isn't that kind of player yet....





[Edited by - holfresh on 01-27-2007 11:29 AM]
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1/27/2007  11:54 AM
Posted by holfresh:

Lee will only be qualified to make 2.6 mil that year...Frye 4.2 and Nate 2.9...They would still be under contract if their options are picked up the year before and their numbers are figured into the 41.2 team salary already...In other words, the only contract for the Knicks to worry about will be Marbury and if they want to bring him back...Curry can opt out as well but he will be leaving 10.5 and 11 mil the following year...He isn't that kind of player yet....

I'm sorry, but do you honestly believe that all of our kids are taking qualifying offers? I don't. It's VERY rare when a player takes a qualifying offer and then resigns with him team a year later. The player feels that if the team *really* wanted him, they would've given him his big payday that year, not make him wait a year. I can't think of a single instance where a player accepted a qualifying offer and then stayed with that team after the qualifying offer was up. Can you? And you expect us to have not one, but THREE players take qualifying offers? That's a pipe dream; it's just not going to happen. Not a chance. It's likely that two of those guys won't even be starting; if another team comes up with a better offer for those guys or a position in the starting lineup, they're leaving. NBA players care about three things, in order: 1) money, 2) money, 3) personal betterment. Somewhere around #7 or #8 comes the team. There's no way these guys stay under that condition. Please stop fooling yourself.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 27 2007 11:56 AM]
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1/27/2007  12:22 PM

I really don't understand how this works in terms of salary...The rules have changed capping how much a young player makes when he first signs a contract...In Lebron 4th year in the league he is making 5.8 mil per as the number one pick...Do you really think Lee is a 10 mil per year player in his 4th year...But I just wanted to highlight the position the Knicks will be in at that time...Also, if you are asking me would I rather have Lebron or the package of Lee, Frye and Nate, well this to me is a no brainer...I know lots of people here are crzy about DLee but come on....
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1/27/2007  12:39 PM
Qualifying offers are offers that make a player a restricted free agent. Very few if any players accept the qualifying offer (1 year deal). Most end up getting bigger ones. I also believe that the amount of money counts against the teams cap space until the player is resigned for a different amount, accepts the 1 year qualifying offer or signs with another team.

If a player is worth anything I would doubt that any GM would fail to offer the qualifying offer to the player.
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1/27/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by holfresh:


I really don't understand how this works in terms of salary...The rules have changed capping how much a young player makes when he first signs a contract...In Lebron 4th year in the league he is making 5.8 mil per as the number one pick...Do you really think Lee is a 10 mil per year player in his 4th year...But I just wanted to highlight the position the Knicks will be in at that time...Also, if you are asking me would I rather have Lebron or the package of Lee, Frye and Nate, well this to me is a no brainer...I know lots of people here are crzy about DLee but come on....

That will be Lee going on his fifth year, not his fourth. Lee, Nate and Frye will all be up for qualifying offers. Qualifying offer is one year. The five possibilities are: 1) Player signs qualifying offer. The contract is only for a year, but at the rates you were talking about earlier. This only happens when player is going to leave the team the next year. 2) Player signs an offer sheet with another team, and his team doesn't match. The player goes to team 2. 3) Player signs an offer sheet with another team, and his team does match. Player stays with team 1 at the rate the other team offered. 4) Player signs multi-year deal with current team. 5) Team doesn't offer qualifying offer by deadline, player becomes unrestricted free agent.

That's it. Has to be one of those. Expecting three qualifying offers is unlikely.

Sure, I'd take LeBron over those three, unquestionably. I think most here would. But, do you think our GM is going to feel the same way?

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 27 2007 1:01 PM]
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1/27/2007  1:04 PM
this is kinda like we were supposed to use Jalen Rose and Mo Taylor to trade for Garnett this year. Hows that working out?
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