We have too many role/one deminsional players as it is. To put it simple, if were serious about competing for a championship in the near or distant future, we need to add an allstar player to this roster, preferably on the wing. If you take a look at the major teams in this league competing for the championship, they all have at least 1 perennial allstar, and at least another boarderline allstar if not 2 legit allstars.

On the offensive end, Curry is a legit allstar, but his defensive and rebounding shortcommings are below allstar status which kind of evens itself out in the middle making him boarderline. If you look at Shaq, he needed Kobe and Wade which are other allstars to help him win his titles while the rest of the squad around him were mainly role players. Similar to Shaq, Curry needs an allstar on the perimeter as well, to relieve some of the pressure and is capable of comming up big down the stretch of games because Curry is a low % freethrow shhooter, and may need to get lifted from the games down the stretch due to his lack of defensive prowess. But unlike Shaq, you need specific role players to play with Curry. You need a rebounder, a shotblocker (which Shaq can do all by his lonesome so there is no need to highlight these particular role players for Shaqs team) and an above average defender on the perimeter to keep players from darting into the lane at will. The only players that fit the bill on this current roster is Lee (strong rebounder) Balkman (can block shots from the wing similar to G Wallace) and Q who can stretch the D and open up the paint for Curry. But the problem with those players are, they are boarderline starters and probably better suited for backup roles if your talking about putting together a team to seriously challege for a championship. Marb is good, but he's about to turn 30 and by the time this team is ready, Marb will be on the down side.

I'm usually an Isiah supporter, but I'm not sure he will part with his prized draft pick Frye, or even Craw. Those are the 2 players I think can be used as chips to get some of the pieces we need to build WITH not around Curry. With that said, it might be not be such a bad idea to bring in a new set of eyes at the GM spot who doesn't have any ties to any one player. Yes I see progress, and you can let this team grow togther all you want, but there are too many glaring holes to think this team as presently put together can seriously compete with the elite. There are too many inconsistant players on this roster. Forget boarderline allstars, as I said we have boarderline starters on a real elite team. Other than Curry, (excluding Marb for future references) one can argue (not saying its fact) that none of these players are legit starters on a real championship conteding team.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-26-2007 08:39 AM]

Curry is not a legit allstar if he can't guard anyone and can't defend the paint

The curry trade is not upsetting at all. Curry is a guy you can build a team around. Why would we fire him for Curry?

Posted by kam77:

The curry trade is not upsetting at all. Curry is a guy you can build a team around. Why would we fire him for Curry?

let me ask you a question, would another gm been able to get curry to ny? considering curry became available b/c of a heart ailment and not b/c he was an unrestricted free agent and chose ny, would another gm in ny been able to make that deal? giving him $56 mil and bunch of picks - is isiah the only one that could've engineered that trade?

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by kam77:

The curry trade is not upsetting at all. Curry is a guy you can build a team around. Why would we fire him for Curry?

let me ask you a question, would another gm been able to get curry to ny? considering curry became available b/c of a heart ailment and not b/c he was an unrestricted free agent and chose ny, would another gm in ny been able to make that deal? giving him $56 mil and bunch of picks - is isiah the only one that could've engineered that trade?

What does your question have to do with Curry the player and the potential therein? Did i say Isiah was the only one who could've engineered that trade? But if you want to play that game, then YEAH, Eddys here and nowhere else. Looks like no other GM was able to swing it. Don't ask annoying questions, you'll get useless responses :)

Redd...great example.

AI plays defense.

[Edited by - babyknicks on 01-26-2007 10:50 AM]

My simple post was: The Curry trade was not reason to fire Isiah. You then asked me if "Isiah is the only GM who could have brought Curry here" which is not what i said at all.

I felt like you were twisting what i said. Thats where the 'annoying' question comment came from.

But how do we play this pose a question game.. its your conjecture on what you think some other GM would have done. So instead of asking me, go ahead and say what you want to say.

I would have done this to get Curry
I would have then gotten this player to complement him etc. etc.

Instead you're throwing Isiah in my face. I don't have to LOVE everything Isiah does to continue supporting the direction of the team. I don't want another GM to come in here, scrap the whole team again, and start over. Do you? I just want the knicks to build intelligently from here on out on top of what has already been built.

If you want to convince me Isiah isn't the GM to take us to the NEXT level, i can get with that.

But Curry I don't fault him for, you don't get a shot at a lottery #4 pick every year. When you can get the dominant low force in the paint, you do it and ask questions later. We weren't in position to take a pass on Eddy.

AI (3rd), Carter (12th) and Redd (6th) are all in the top 12 in scoring. Curry is 29th.

There's a big difference averaging 28 ppg and averaging 19. Don't you think?

How about comparing Curry to Ben Gordon. I don't hear anybody praising Gordon as a definite all star despite averaging 2 ppg more than Curry. They're both one dimensional scorers. Would anybody build their team around Gordon?

Posted by islesfan:

AI (3rd), Carter (12th) and Redd (6th) are all in the top 12 in scoring. Curry is 29th.

There's a big difference averaging 28 ppg and averaging 19. Don't you think?

How about comparing Curry to Ben Gordon. I don't hear anybody praising Gordon as a definite all star despite averaging 2 ppg more than Curry. They're both one dimensional scorers. Would anybody build their team around Gordon?

the difference between Gordon & curry is Curry shoots a high %, causes double teams which in theory creates opportunities for team mates-

which is better-

20 points from curry shooting 8 for 10 & 4 FTM or

20 points from Crawford shooting 8 for 24 & 2 FTM

We're the only team in all of professional sports that would try to build around a player with the flaws Curry has.

Posted by Bonn1997:

We're the only team in all of professional sports that would try to build around a player with the flaws Curry has.

The alternative was what - build around Jerome James? We have a piece to build around and we did not have that before. What a complainer!!!