OK, i'm not going to waste my time complaining about how bad this team is or how much i want Isiah fired... that doesn't solve anything as far as i'm concerned... so with that said, here's a few personnel & roster moves that i feel the Knicks can realistically & very easily make right now that would improve the team significantly & help us compete this season centered around the concept of using Frye as a trade chip... offer any arguments or additions if you like:


1 - SHOTBLOCKER! MY KINGDOM FOR A SHOTBLOCKER!

i think it's obvious that our biggest weakness is the interior defense & lack of a shotblocking intimidator in the paint... w/the help defense as bad as it is (Frye, Curry & Lee are horrible on rotations), we really need a guy who can block shots to erase some of the missed assignments on help defense & when guys get past our G's on the perimeter & penetrate into the lane for easy layups.

A) a trade of Frye, Nate & CHI's pick if absolutely necessary is worth it if i can get my hands on a Josh Smith type athletic young weakside shotblocking presence who can run the break & finish

B) if i can't get option A achieved, then i go after a guy like Etan Thomas... Jefferies & Frye for Etan, Jarvis Hayes & WAS's 1st rounder is fine by me... it helps to kill 2 birds w/1 move (see #2 below)


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2 - WE NEED A PERIMETER SHOOTER TO KEEP DEFENSES FROM DOUBLING & TRIPLING DOWN ON CURRY EVERY SINGLE POSSESSION

a guy like Morris Peterson would be ideal because of his expiring contract & his ability to run off screens for quick pop & shoots... Channing is just too slow footed & poor of a ball handler to really effectively cut down on teams' double teams on Curry in the low post... he's more of a pick & roll type bigman, & we're no longer running that type of offense as long as Curry is the main focus... if you can get option A above achieved w/a Frye/Nate trade, then you probably need to find another target to fill this option however... otherwise i'd offer up Frye & Cato for Mo Pete & a protected 1st rounder & see if they bite... or maybe a 3rd team that's interested in Frye gets in on the deal, like the Lakers? how about something like this:

Frye & Jefferies to LA - gives Kobe a nice pick & roll partner & some more length in their frontcourt
Mo Pete, Aaron McKie & TOR's #2 to NY - both expiring contracts so we get rid of JJ's contract, & kill 2 birds w/1 move (see #3 below)
Brian Cook, Shammond Williams & LA's protected #1 to TOR - TOR owes a protected #1 to CLE which goes to CHA


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3 - UPGRADE THE PERIMETER DEFENSE

A) target Mickael Pietrus... he's unhappy playing in GS, & could really be the solution to help our backcourt woes on defense... he can put up some points too if you need him to... Frye for Pietrus straight up is a fair deal for both parties, especially now that GS just got rid of Troy Murph & could probably use some more depth in their frontcourt.

B) Ron Artest? yes, he's a volatile player & could just as easly blow up in our faces as help this franchise, but if he works out he's easily 1 of the top 20 players in the game & can really solve our perimeter defense issues... offer up Frye, Nate & Jefferies for Artest & see if SAC is desperate enough to get rid of him.


[Edited by - TMS on 01-23-2007 12:43 PM]

the only deal i like is the one for Josh Smith but i dont think Atlanta likes that one lol

I really like your third deal. Before Golden State and Indy made their trade I was making proposals for Pietrus and Diogu that included Frye. I think getting a top young wing is this teams biggest need.

Posted by TMS:

i guess no one's into realistic & proactive approaches to improve this team.

i knew i shoulda proposed a Kevin Garnett trade... DAMMIT!

I'm in to such trades.

I don't know if trades a and b are realistic though. josh smith is very highly regarded by the hawks, and jeffries has a trade kicker, not to mention a longer contract than Etan. anyway I think both the upgrade perimeter defense trades are realistic, as well as the mo pete one. not sure about the 3 way mo Pete one though. anyway the bad part is theres no way for the knicks to address all of those issues this season. cuase we dont have enough.

also we can only hope isiah is smart enough to A) realize these things, and B) address them properly. we dont need another jerome james or jared jeffries.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-23-2007 4:33 PM]

How about Frye/Nate for Smith and Salim Stoudemire.

Posted by TMS:

Frye's in every suggestion because he's the only trade chip that i think we can get something for that would realistically help this team & i don't want to trade away D Lee or Curry at this point unless we're talking about a superstar young stud like Dwight Howard or Lebron, which obviously ain't happening.

Jefferies' last year is a player option which i'm sure he'll exercise unless there's a buyout clause in the contract for that season... i don't know if there is or not... was not aware of a trade kicker... u sure about that one?

we can address all 3 by doing the Jefferies & Frye for Etan, Hayes & draft pick trade, & then playing Balkman more minutes at the SF position (he's probably our best perimeter defender other than Q Rich & surprisingly Stephon Marbury).

why would washington trade for jared jeffries when they could have had him a few months ago without giving anyone up?

Posted by Masterplan:

Posted by TMS:

Frye's in every suggestion because he's the only trade chip that i think we can get something for that would realistically help this team & i don't want to trade away D Lee or Curry at this point unless we're talking about a superstar young stud like Dwight Howard or Lebron, which obviously ain't happening.

Jefferies' last year is a player option which i'm sure he'll exercise unless there's a buyout clause in the contract for that season... i don't know if there is or not... was not aware of a trade kicker... u sure about that one?

we can address all 3 by doing the Jefferies & Frye for Etan, Hayes & draft pick trade, & then playing Balkman more minutes at the SF position (he's probably our best perimeter defender other than Q Rich & surprisingly Stephon Marbury).

why would washington trade for jared jeffries when they could have had him a few months ago without giving anyone up?

uh, to get Channing Frye?

i liken Salim very much to Eddie House... similar games & similar body types... i think Nate has more talent than guys like that & right now he's a more efficient scorer than either of them.

don't get me wrong, i do think we should probably trade Nate to get a pure shooter, but just don't think those guys are on the same level... i'd have to get back a 2nd round pick or something from ATL to even things out a little at least.

Posted by TMS:

i liken Salim very much to Eddie House... similar games & similar body types... i think Nate has more talent than guys like that & right now he's a more efficient scorer than either of them.

don't get me wrong, i do think we should probably trade Nate to get a pure shooter, but just don't think those guys are on the same level... i'd have to get back a 2nd round pick or something from ATL to even things out a little at least.

I'm thinking Smith>Frye though. The Nate part of the swap has to be a little bit of a downgrade.

Posted by VDesai:

Posted by TMS:

i liken Salim very much to Eddie House... similar games & similar body types... i think Nate has more talent than guys like that & right now he's a more efficient scorer than either of them.

don't get me wrong, i do think we should probably trade Nate to get a pure shooter, but just don't think those guys are on the same level... i'd have to get back a 2nd round pick or something from ATL to even things out a little at least.

I'm thinking Smith>Frye though. The Nate part of the swap has to be a little bit of a downgrade.

how about Frye, Nate, CHI's #1 & NY's #2 for Smith, Salim & Lorenzen Wright (filler)? i'd be fine w/that trade.


C - Curry / Cato
PF - D Lee / Jefferies / Wright
SF - Smith / Balkman
SG - Q Rich / Salim
PG - Marbury / Jamal / Collins
IA - Francis / Turd

[Edited by - TMS on 01-23-2007 4:57 PM]

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Masterplan:

dunno, that one sounds kind of unrealistic to me. if they just wanted channing they could come up with a package that doesn't have them taking back someone they consider too overpaid. i would think they'd be more interested in Q than jared. he would actually maybe be a good fit there if he didn't have the injury worries.

hmm, Q Rich for Etan & Hayes... that's a tough one for me... i really like Q's presence on this team... would u do that one? i probably wouldn't... & i don't see why WAS would do it either considering they already have Butler on the team.

i wouldn't give up Q either- love what he does for the team, but as far as trades go with his contract and injury woes we wouldn't get anything near his statistical value back, let alone his intangibles.

in playstation-style player movement he'd be great on the wizards. a big upgrade over deshawn stevenson. but i don't really see it happening.