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djsunyc
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1/16/2007  11:24 AM
Eddy Curry
06/07 - $8,171,103
07/08 - $8,947,543
08/09 - $9,723,983
09/10 - $10,500,423 (PO)
10/11 - $11,276,863 (PO)

the final two years of curry's deal are player options. if he's healthy, he's going to probably opt out and look for a max deal.
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1/16/2007  11:30 AM
if he's good enough at that time to realistically expect a max contract, it can only mean good things for the NY knicks... good thing is by then Marbury, Francis & Malik's contracts will be coming off the books.
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djsunyc
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1/16/2007  11:34 AM
Posted by TMS:

if he's good enough at that time to realistically expect a max contract, it can only mean good things for the NY knicks... good thing is by then Marbury, Francis & Malik's contracts will be coming off the books.

he got 6 years $60 with a questionable heart issue.
dalemebert got $63.
nene got $60.

with the #'s eddy's putting up now, he WILL get the max, no doubts - no questions - and sadly, no cap.
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1/16/2007  11:36 AM
Max implies you do everything well......leave it to Isiah to offer an opt out clause for a player that no team was willing to take a risk on, he is a bin-ness man in every sense of the word
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1/16/2007  11:39 AM
Posted by MS:

Max implies you do everything well......leave it to Isiah to offer an opt out clause for a player that no team was willing to take a risk on, he is a bin-ness man in every sense of the word
Yeah, seriously, there should be *team options* on those years. I could see us outbidding all other teams by $30 mil like with Houston.
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1/16/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MS:

Max implies you do everything well......leave it to Isiah to offer an opt out clause for a player that no team was willing to take a risk on, he is a bin-ness man in every sense of the word
Yeah, seriously, there should be *team options* on those years. I could see us outbidding all other teams by $30 mil like with Houston.

Yep. That's why I kept saying we have no chance of getting under the cap. We have to resign our young players. There's just no other option. This is one of the reasons why many of us said Isiah wasn't building the team right, because he did not take these things into consideration.
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1/16/2007  11:44 AM
Read misterearl's lips:

It ain't your money
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1/16/2007  11:46 AM
i'm sure just about every team faces issues like this in having to re-sign their talented young players to contract extensions... we need to address these issues when they arise, not allow it to prevent you from making moves to acquire these young talented players to begin with.

of course, it does give us all something else to complain about though, so there's at least that positive.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2007 11:46 AM]
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1/16/2007  11:46 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Read misterearl's lips:

It ain't your money

That makes sense... on Playstation.
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1/16/2007  11:49 AM
Posted by TMS:

i'm sure just about every team faces issues like this in having to re-sign their talented young players to contract extensions... we need to address these issues when they arise, not allow it to prevent you from making moves to acquire these young talented players to begin with.

of course, it does give us all something else to complain about though, so there's at least that positive.

I think you missed the point. If we hadn't acquired the bloated contracts for the last three years, we'd actually have a shot to be under the cap BEFORE Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, etc... have to be re-upped. That's what I mean by not taking things into consideration. As usual we miss our shot, because the GM thinks if you keep throwing darts at the wall, eventually one will bullseye. Some of us don't consider that a plan.

And some teams keep their young studs (Phoenix, Detroit) and find the cap room to be able to acquire a stud player. Why is that team never us?
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1/16/2007  11:51 AM
We are ****ed lets be honest.......

Mid-level? Why do we have it?
Jefferies
James
10million + in salary

Balkman + Cato
2 million in salary

Why do I want Isiah fired? Because there is not a dumber person in all of sports......

Who gives player options out? Crawford has no position to ask for one considering we were the only team giving him one...... But there it is 10.1 million for 10-11

James? Shouldn't be on our active Roster put 6.6million in 09-10 wonder if he picks that up?

I love Q but if that back goes he is owed 8.7 million in 09-10

So don't have hope that Isiah can make a great move, he has already proven that he doesn't have the concept of how to make a deal......
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1/16/2007  12:03 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:

if he's good enough at that time to realistically expect a max contract, it can only mean good things for the NY knicks... good thing is by then Marbury, Francis & Malik's contracts will be coming off the books.

he got 6 years $60 with a questionable heart issue.
dalemebert got $63.
nene got $60.

with the #'s eddy's putting up now, he WILL get the max, no doubts - no questions - and sadly, no cap.

Putting Eddy's deal in the perspective of Nene's and Dalembert's he looks like a bargain. Nene is terribly overrated, he's never averaged as many rebounds as Curry is right now which is pathetic given that's what he's being paid for, and Dalembert is a rebounder and barely a defender.

Meanwhile, Curry is putting up Yao/Gasol numbers, both guys who get the max.

Yeah, Curry will probably opt out and get the max, but that will be after four years here where hopefully he'll be a relative bargain. And, if I'm not mistaken, the summer of 09 is when we might have some cap space from Marbury and Francis being gone? Maybe Curry can wait until September '09 to renegotiate and not screw up the cap room before then? I'm not sure how that works, but it seems like players sign extensions in September all the time.

I think the way the deal is structured, we should still have cap room in 2009 - unless we have to give Lee and Frye big extensions before then, in which case we're screwed, cap-wise, at least.
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1/16/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by TMS:

i'm sure just about every team faces issues like this in having to re-sign their talented young players to contract extensions... we need to address these issues when they arise, not allow it to prevent you from making moves to acquire these young talented players to begin with.

of course, it does give us all something else to complain about though, so there's at least that positive.

I think you missed the point. If we hadn't acquired the bloated contracts for the last three years, we'd actually have a shot to be under the cap BEFORE Curry, Frye, Lee, Nate, etc... have to be re-upped. That's what I mean by not taking things into consideration. As usual we miss our shot, because the GM thinks if you keep throwing darts at the wall, eventually one will bullseye. Some of us don't consider that a plan.

And some teams keep their young studs (Phoenix, Detroit) and find the cap room to be able to acquire a stud player. Why is that team never us?

the point being stressed here was that Isiah provided Curry w/a player's opt out clause in his contract... you're bringing the contracts of Marbury, Francis & everyone else into this conversation when you pretty well know i wish we wouldn't have those bloated contracts on our books to begin with just like you do... i think you kinda missed the point of the thread w/that personally... this is another case of pure speculation driving people's responses to whether or not Isiah should or should not have done something... so apparently everyone was involved in the Eddy Curry's contract talks but me that can intelligently speak on this issue & knows that we could have gotten them to agree to a team option for those last years instead? probably the same experts who are also in the know on all those other teams that would have let Balkman slide into the 2nd round for us to take him there if we saw fit... i'm glad we have so many NBA Insiders on this site.

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1/16/2007  12:12 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:

if he's good enough at that time to realistically expect a max contract, it can only mean good things for the NY knicks... good thing is by then Marbury, Francis & Malik's contracts will be coming off the books.

he got 6 years $60 with a questionable heart issue.
dalemebert got $63.
nene got $60.

with the #'s eddy's putting up now, he WILL get the max, no doubts - no questions - and sadly, no cap.

I thought curry was 6 years for 56 mill.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  12:12 PM
Why would you think that

We trade for Francis and take on $50 million now we are buying him out, when we could have just let a contract expire....

We just need Thomas out and West in, its that simple.......

What Isiah will cost the franchise in three years

Coaching
Lenny Wilkens $15 million
Larry Brown $28 million

Cought out Players
Mo Taylor 9 million
Shandon Anderson 15 million
Jalen Rose 15 million
Steve Francis when it happens $50 million
Jerome James when it happens $15 million

Seaon tickets $20 million

Annucha Brown $7-10 million

Brawl $500,000

And thats generous

Your looking at $175 million dollars in three years, to build a team that has no pg/sg/sf for the future.....nothing is a relative bargin for this guy.....who had he just relaxed and not put everything into one basket could have......

Marbury/Marcus Williams/Nate
Crawford/Randy Foye
Q/Balkman
Thomas/Lee
Bynum/Rose

And let the team develop and have serious cap relief
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1/16/2007  12:14 PM
The title of the thread should be after 4 years not 2 years
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
djsunyc
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1/16/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The title of the thread should be after 4 years not 2 years

from today...after 2 years from today.
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1/16/2007  12:51 PM
If Curry gets the MAX then it means he will have done something right and we probably have a very good team.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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1/16/2007  12:52 PM
Wow this sucks.
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1/16/2007  12:53 PM
And if he's on this very reasonable contract NOW, you guys are finding a way not to credit the GM for that but to punish him instead.

First you hated the signing because there were too many years on it for too much loot.
Now you guys wish he was locked up longer term.
too funny.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
fyi, curry has an opt out after 2 years

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