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izybx
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1/13/2007  12:34 PM
The Knicks played their worse defensive game of the season. Yet after countless uncontested layups he made no changes to put in players who could slow down the Cats. Why didnt Cato get a shot when Curry was in foul trouble? Why didnt Balkman or JJ get a chance to guard the perimeter? This was truly a horrible game, and I think the blame rests solely on Isiah. BTW, I was at the garden last night, and the crowd should get props. With just over two minutes in the game and the Knicks down by 10 they were LOUD. In a good way too.

[Edited by - izybx on 01-13-2007 12:34 PM]
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1/13/2007  12:41 PM
Isiah should be blamed for this team simply being here. I seriously felt I was the only one not even coming close to blowing my load when we beat 3 terrible teams in a row.
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1/13/2007  12:47 PM
Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  12:54 PM
Should never be a time when an opposing team wants it more than you, especially on your home floor. Last night was inexcusable.
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1/13/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.
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1/13/2007  1:00 PM

The Knicks were flat last night but I think that you have to ride the hot had...Fyre started with the hot hand but rode the pine most of the second half....Curry started slow and so did Lee...One of those guys have to ride the pine if Frye is hot and visa versa...He got caught up trying get Lee and Curry their minutes...
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1/13/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Should never be a time when an opposing team wants it more than you, especially on your home floor. Last night was inexcusable.

It happens to every team in the nba. 82 games plus 100's of thousands in travel mileage will do that. I have some off nights myself in my local league. When the Bobcats beat the Spurs and Pistons did it mena they were better? No it was just their night. I remember a 15 win Bulls team beating the champion Spurs. It happens to everyone. The key is to limit those kind of nights and find a way to grind out a win even on bad nights.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:01 PM
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Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500


They say the same for us. But they at least have they excuse of being an expansion team built solely on youth and a limited budget.

But I was talking about identity and effort.
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1/13/2007  1:07 PM
eople au guys need to relax a bit.. it was a bad game but lets all take a deep breath
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1/13/2007  1:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:


The Knicks were flat last night but I think that you have to ride the hot had...Fyre started with the hot hand but rode the pine most of the second half....Curry started slow and so did Lee...One of those guys have to ride the pine if Frye is hot and visa versa...He got caught up trying get Lee and Curry their minutes...

Frye did start hot with like 12 points in the first 5 minutes but he didnt hit another shot all game ending up with 12 pts on 12 shots. Curry came out way flat and our guards werent getting him the ball on time but in the 2nd half alone Curry scored 22 pts so Isiah couldnt take him out much. The story that worries me is D Lee had his 2nd sub par game in a row. I think Isiah is letting the kid down.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:10 PM
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500


They say the same for us. But they at least have they excuse of being an expansion team built solely on youth and a limited budget.

But I was talking about identity and effort.
The effort was not there last night. Not too many ways to explain it. Just hope it was an aberation.
As far as the Cats go their nucleaus is about the same age as our nucleaus minus Marbury. The salary isnt a factor to me. The only guys on our team that are way over paid are the old guys. We are still 2 players away from being a threat to anyone but we can still sneak in to the playoffs.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:11 PM
Posted by Elite:

eople au guys need to relax a bit.. it was a bad game but lets all take a deep breath

Bingo!
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:11 PM
Guys Frye started hot but he came back in the game with 3 minutes to go the Knicks up 7 and then after he went out in the third quarter we were down 8 so Frye was carrying the team last night. The bottom line is the guards didnt guard anyone last night, and IT left them in the game. Memo to IT take the 1-3 positions ans split them up between Q, Craw, Steph, and JJ take the 4-5 and split that between Curry, Frye and Lee
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1/13/2007  1:19 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BlueSeats:
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Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500


They say the same for us. But they at least have they excuse of being an expansion team built solely on youth and a limited budget.

But I was talking about identity and effort.
The effort was not there last night. Not too many ways to explain it. Just hope it was an aberation.
As far as the Cats go their nucleaus is about the same age as our nucleaus minus Marbury. The salary isnt a factor to me. The only guys on our team that are way over paid are the old guys. We are still 2 players away from being a threat to anyone but we can still sneak in to the playoffs.


Salary is a factor if you're comparing teams. As an expansion team they've been operating under a cap below that of the rest of the league. I think it's fair to wonder what they might have done with a 135M budget vs a 35M budget.

Age too. Not like we really know who our core is, but Marbury, Francis, Malik, James, Cato aside, they also don't have nearly as many guys like Jeffries, Richardson, and Crawford.

But still, they are known for playing hard every night. Where might we be if we had such a reputation?

Why don't we?
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1/13/2007  1:20 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500


They say the same for us. But they at least have they excuse of being an expansion team built solely on youth and a limited budget.

But I was talking about identity and effort.
The effort was not there last night. Not too many ways to explain it. Just hope it was an aberation.
As far as the Cats go their nucleaus is about the same age as our nucleaus minus Marbury. The salary isnt a factor to me. The only guys on our team that are way over paid are the old guys. We are still 2 players away from being a threat to anyone but we can still sneak in to the playoffs.

What types of two players would say and who is the coreto you.........?????
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1/13/2007  1:22 PM
Posted by King1:

Guys Frye started hot but he came back in the game with 3 minutes to go the Knicks up 7 and then after he went out in the third quarter we were down 8 so Frye was carrying the team last night. The bottom line is the guards didnt guard anyone last night, and IT left them in the game. Memo to IT take the 1-3 positions ans split them up between Q, Craw, Steph, and JJ take the 4-5 and split that between Curry, Frye and Lee

If he came in and we were up 7 and left when we were down 8 wouldnt that say he wasnt carrying the team?
Frye started very well with 10 points in the first 4 minutes of the game but he only had 2 points in his next 24 minutes. 12 points on 12 shots isnt a great output for a big man even though I thought he played well.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:38 PM
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Isiah does a poor job on some nights but last night they just wanted it more than us. We were flat


That's the thing that bothers me most about our team. The cats have a worse record than us but they are at least known as a team that plays hard every night. We should perhaps be considered the better team (if experience counts for anything) but we are known as a team with significant emotional lapses. Mental lapses I can forgive from young players, but emotional lapses are infuriating, and far too common from this group.

I thought this was the season where everyone was motivated by something to prove, but they're proving they can't be counted on for motivation.

Some people might say with all the talent the Cats have they should be at least 500


They say the same for us. But they at least have they excuse of being an expansion team built solely on youth and a limited budget.

But I was talking about identity and effort.
The effort was not there last night. Not too many ways to explain it. Just hope it was an aberation.
As far as the Cats go their nucleaus is about the same age as our nucleaus minus Marbury. The salary isnt a factor to me. The only guys on our team that are way over paid are the old guys. We are still 2 players away from being a threat to anyone but we can still sneak in to the playoffs.

What types of two players would say and who is the coreto you.........?????

We need a John Stockton. A guy that can run the pick and roll 40 times a game to perfection and the other team cant stop it. A guy that would rather have 20 assists than 20 pts. A guy that gets the ball to our guys in the right spots at the right time. Not 2 seconds 2 late with no spacing. A guy that will pressure d other teams points 70% of the night. A true floor general. I think its amazing that 38 games in to the season we have only had 1 player (jcraw) have a 10 assist night. How is that possible on a team that averages almost 100 points per game?

Also it would be great to have a all star at SF. A guy that could play offense and shut down defense at SF.

Our core could be defined in many ways by many people but I look at today and 3 years down the road. I see curry, frye and Lee as our core. They are really the only 3 players other teams would want. After those 3 I see qrich, Nate, Jcraw and Balkman. I think Jeffries is average at best. I think Marbury and Francis should be moved sooner rather than later. Jerome and Cato are just roster spots. Collins doesnt impress me.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

The effort was not there last night. Not too many ways to explain it. Just hope it was an aberation.
As far as the Cats go their nucleaus is about the same age as our nucleaus minus Marbury. The salary isnt a factor to me. The only guys on our team that are way over paid are the old guys. We are still 2 players away from being a threat to anyone but we can still sneak in to the playoffs.

Which two players? MJ and Pippen? Wade and Duncan?
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1/13/2007  2:33 PM
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We need a John Stockton. A guy that can run the pick and roll 40 times a game to perfection and the other team cant stop it. A guy that would rather have 20 assists than 20 pts. A guy that gets the ball to our guys in the right spots at the right time. Not 2 seconds 2 late with no spacing. A guy that will pressure d other teams points 70% of the night. A true floor general. I think its amazing that 38 games in to the season we have only had 1 player (jcraw) have a 10 assist night. How is that possible on a team that averages almost 100 points per game?

Also it would be great to have a all star at SF. A guy that could play offense and shut down defense at SF.

Our core could be defined in many ways by many people but I look at today and 3 years down the road. I see curry, frye and Lee as our core. They are really the only 3 players other teams would want. After those 3 I see qrich, Nate, Jcraw and Balkman. I think Jeffries is average at best. I think Marbury and Francis should be moved sooner rather than later. Jerome and Cato are just roster spots. Collins doesnt impress me.
Yeah man, you really seem to be a guy that knows what he is talking about and I agree.
Personally my look at the our Pg, SG and Sf are they are missing one or two things that would make the team a title winner. When it comes to Q rich he is too small and not explosive enough to be our starting SF. Not very good handing the offense and too slow to be the teams best perimenter defender, so he really isn't the teams future SG to me either. It would be great if he was two inches taller or faster.

Crawford is too irradict shooting to be a starter this team depends on at the two guard. He's defense is lacking and but he needs minutes to be effective, so he really isn't a 6th man. He might be a good Point guard for teams like LAL who great players who run the offense, but I really don't think he would good enough here with our core.

Marbury is not very good making this team better, most improtantly our core of Lee/Curry/Frye at point. And being the best offensive scorer on the team and most likely to disappear is a terrible combination to have in your best player and shooting guard. Plus he gives up 3-5 inches a night.

Curry, Lee, and Frye would be the teams core to me with Balkman and nate being Bench players we should think about keeping for the future.
I believe Currys Production scoring wise, while average 8 rebounds per game would leave me to only wanting that he becomes atlease an average defender.

David Lee is missing experience Defensively because he is active when every he is playing, he just doesn' seem to know were to be all the time because he wants to be near the paint. He shows an awareness for rebounding and moving the ball on offense, so I know he will be a very good defensive player. That and a jump shot and Lee is on of the better starting forwards in the league.

Frye can turn into an all round player with time as well. He is tall, he will become better at rebounding and block shots, plus he is 7 foot.

Nate to me seems like he could a perfect 6th man. Unlike Crawford he only needs 15-20 mintues a game to be effective. I would want to see where he is at season ends.

Balkman looks like at the very least he could be a defensive stopper off the bench and at best a boardline starter with a jumpshot. He already is a great ball mover and alters alot of shots, plus is probably as good a rebounder as Lee.

If I could trade anybody this next season and fill there spots with players I want, it would be Marbury, Crawford, Q, JJ2, Francis. For guys to grow with the team and fit their roles better. I don't think we are that far away.

[Edited by - anji on 01-13-2007 2:35 PM]
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