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joec32033
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1/12/2007  5:30 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/487977p-410905c.html
Isiah eyes Francis for Webber

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Chris Webber, waived by Sixers, could end up a Knick if Isiah Thomas clears out Steve Francis' contract.
Isiah Thomas sent Chris Webber love letters through the media yesterday in the hopes of fortifying the Knicks' lineup while continuing to work behind the scenes to remove Steve Francis from the roster.

Despite repeated denials, the Knicks and Francis have discussed a buyout, but neither side can agree on how much money it will take to make the veteran guard disappear.

A source familiar with the negotiations said that Francis, who is working out in Houston, might yet rejoin the team if a settlement is not reached, but that Francis and the Knicks both believe that a clean break would best serve both parties. The Knicks have little need for Francis because the Knicks are committed to Jamal Crawford as their shooting guard. Francis does not want to be a backup.

For the past 10 days, Thomas has denied talk of a buyout, and Francis' agent, Jeff Fried, says that his client is not looking for a golden parachute. So why the denials? In the post-Larry Brown era, the Knicks and Thomas want to avoid a messy public divorce at all costs. Francis, whose career has nose-dived in recent years, does not want to come across as a malcontent to prospective suitors.

If and when the Knicks reach a settlement with Francis, he would join Maurice Taylor and Jalen Rose - who is expected to get a buyout from Phoenix in upcoming weeks - as the third high-priced veteran to receive a lucrative deal not to play for the Knicks this season.

Brown had suggested that Thomas cut three veterans last season because he believed it would help him manage the roster. As the Knicks' coach, Brown realized that having too many unwanted veterans with long-term contracts can be a recipe for disaster.

Brown's plan, which was rebuffed by management, was to add three young players - possibly from the D-League - to use as practice players for the remainder of the season.

Privately, the Knicks accused Brown of trying to undermine Thomas by seeking to release three veterans Thomas had acquired. The Knicks later claimed that Brown wanted to cut both Francis and Stephon Marbury.

Once Thomas was named as Brown's replacement, he realized that in order to give himself every chance to succeed, he needed to "remove the clutter," as one opposing general manager put it. Taylor and Rose were scheduled to earn $9.8 million and $16 million, respectively. Cutting Francis would be very costly. He is scheduled to earn $48 million through the 2008-09 season. Francis would give the Knicks a discount only if he can sign for the mid-level exception elsewhere, which at this stage is unlikely.

"Is it any surprise that Stephon Marbury has played better since Francis stopped playing and Nate Robinson was suspended?" asked one league executive. "There is a direct correlation between Marbury's performance and not having those guys around. I love the way Stephon is playing. Isiah's smart. He is doing exactly what Larry wanted to do."

Thomas reiterated that he has interest in Webber, who wants to play for a contending team such as Detroit, Miami, Dallas or San Antonio. Thomas then became belligerent when asked if the Knicks had a chance to acquire the veteran power forward.

"We're interested, but we're not - don't make this out to be like, if we don't get him, we blew it," Thomas fired back.

The addition of Webber would have an impact on Channing Frye, David Lee and Jared Jeffries. However, in the watered-down Eastern Conference, Thomas believes that acquiring Webber could give the Knicks a better shot of reaching the playoffs and perhaps winning a round ... or two.

"This is going to be a strange year.... I think this still is anybody's ballgame," said Thomas, whose team faces Charlotte tonight.

"I think a guy like him definitely can be a difference-maker."


Interesting. Especially the part about the observation of Marbury playing better without Francis and Nate around.....

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1/12/2007  5:42 AM
Who loses playing time?
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1/12/2007  5:49 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Who loses playing time?

I don't know but if Isiah does this to save his ass, he should lose his GM privelages. He is only doing what's best for himself in this particular instance not what is best overall for the team.

In a few articles in the Post he also used the line "it's not like it's a do or die for us". Well, I think if you are going to spend the money to buy out Francis and have an open roster spot, you have to be pretty serious about wanting him here, IMO.
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1/12/2007  6:41 AM
I'd do it just for the fact that Webber could teach Curry a PLETHORA of post moves.


They're similiar styles, both great post players with little defensive impact.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/12/2007  7:28 AM
Eddy's post scoring is off the charts. He needs to learn how to do everything else in the game. We don't need Webber to give Lee DNP-CDs.
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1/12/2007  8:17 AM
Regardless, I don't see Webber comming to this situation when there are better options out there for him.

BTW, I love how these journalist like to point out that in thier opinion Isiah is following Brown's plan by cutting veterans, but fail to mention that it wasn't for Brown, those veterans (Rose, Francis) wouldn't have been here in the first place.
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1/12/2007  8:34 AM
If this was any other time or any other scenario but the following I would pull this trigger. On one hand you have the chance to obtain Webber, who is not like the old explosive Webber but a much more smarter Webber than can pick his spots and get his. He could hit the jumper and has good passing, etc. You get him for practically nothing, the knicks have been always bad about getting athletes past their prime but still paying them top salary. This is the total opposite, Webber could help the team but in a very short term way, thus delaying the long term success we want from Frye and Lee. Him coming here means less time for them.

Thinking about it some more, I really don't think Lee has anything to worry about regarding playing time. He is playing so well, everyone knows it, IT knows it, the whole NBA knows it. The person who I see losing their minutes is Frye. Frye brings a jumpshot to the table, which C. Webb has. Also with some low post moves that Frye has not mastered yet. In this situation, the team can not afford to not give LEE his minutes but can afford to lessen Frye's minutes. Only problem is it might come back to haunt us.

I've been on board with IT the coach all season (except for not starting LEE) but the gm in him talks too much. If you are interested in Webber, why do we have to read quotes from you in the papers. We know its your job to be interested, but the players don't necessarily need to hear that especially when you are the coach as well.
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1/12/2007  8:42 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

I've been on board with IT the coach all season (except for not starting LEE) but the gm in him talks too much. If you are interested in Webber, why do we have to read quotes from you in the papers. We know its your job to be interested, but the players don't necessarily need to hear that especially when you are the coach as well.

Good point. IT should NOT sign him, and I trust that Webber is way too smart to want to play for the Knicks at this time. He should join a contender and enjoy the rest of his basketball life.
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1/12/2007  9:07 AM
Brown was fired for Isiah's sins.

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1/12/2007  9:12 AM
First off, there is no way Webber is coming here. Why would a 33 year old Webber want to come here and teach these kids for the league minimum, when he can go to Miami, Detriot, San Antonio, Dallas, or 2 or 3 other teams and have a real shot at winning a championship and in some cases make even more money. I don't see it happening.

Plus, we need to give our playing time to Lee and Frye, who both need that time to work on their games. While Webber might be a good teacher for our big men, I think you can go out and find a coach to teach these players without eating into their playing time. A better idea would be to sign Ewing or Vlade Divac or some other great passing big man to teach them. I just don't see any real reason for bringing Webber here.
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1/12/2007  9:17 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Brown was fired for Isiah's sins.

Just win, and its all good.

Brown was fired for incompetence and sabotaging the team, and being Trevor Ariza delusional.
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1/12/2007  9:21 AM
Posted by TheGame:

A better idea would be to sign Ewing or Vlade Divac or some other great passing big man to teach them. I just don't see any real reason for bringing Webber here.

I think it is facinating that you have sighted Ewing as a "great passing big man." When he was a rookie he couldn't pass. With Patino's "Bomb Squad" he could pass the ball back out when double teamed, but it wasn't until Riley got here that he began hitting the cutters and making nifty passes in the paint. Divac and Webber are more intuitive passers, but Ewing did learn it, and I think Curry is showing signs of learning it as well.
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1/12/2007  9:29 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Nalod:

Brown was fired for Isiah's sins.

Just win, and its all good.

Brown was fired for incompetence and sabotaging the team, and being Trevor Ariza delusional.

Brown was fired for Isiahs sins.

MSG does not fire for incompetence.

Sabatage is subjective. Isiah sabotaged the team for two years and was not fired.

I think the knicks would be no worse with Brown coaching this season given the personal changes and the way things have gone this year.

Browns tactics were bad, but he wanted to thin out the talent which is what Isiah did this year.

Brown was fired for the wrong reasons. His tactics might have been wrong, but he "sabotaged" for a reason.



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1/12/2007  9:30 AM
Webber is probably going to sign with the Pistons.
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1/12/2007  9:37 AM
If Francis is bought out Isiah should lose his job or have to work the rest of the year for free......

Unless we are taking Curry down to 30 minutes a night giving lee jefferies minutes at the 3, not sure how this is going to work.....

He would be effective passing the ball to the guards, and i think he would work very with with crawford on screen and pops....
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1/12/2007  9:41 AM
Isiah really doesn't want Webber, this is just a ploy to get even more out of the front court. The play is to make them step up their game even more due to fear of Webber coming in and taking over. Lee & Frye will now say; " I better improve my defense and scoring or i will be out ". Its what LB tries to do but he doesn't have the tact that Zeke does.
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1/12/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

If this was any other time or any other scenario but the following I would pull this trigger. On one hand you have the chance to obtain Webber, who is not like the old explosive Webber but a much more smarter Webber than can pick his spots and get his. He could hit the jumper and has good passing, etc. You get him for practically nothing, the knicks have been always bad about getting athletes past their prime but still paying them top salary. This is the total opposite, Webber could help the team but in a very short term way, thus delaying the long term success we want from Frye and Lee. Him coming here means less time for them.

Thinking about it some more, I really don't think Lee has anything to worry about regarding playing time. He is playing so well, everyone knows it, IT knows it, the whole NBA knows it. The person who I see losing their minutes is Frye. Frye brings a jumpshot to the table, which C. Webb has. Also with some low post moves that Frye has not mastered yet. In this situation, the team can not afford to not give LEE his minutes but can afford to lessen Frye's minutes. Only problem is it might come back to haunt us.

I've been on board with IT the coach all season (except for not starting LEE) but the gm in him talks too much. If you are interested in Webber, why do we have to read quotes from you in the papers. We know its your job to be interested, but the players don't necessarily need to hear that especially when you are the coach as well.

all athletes have huge egos & they love to be wooed in the press by prospective teams... Isiah knows the Knicks have little shot of signing him since they can't offer him the MLE & the Knicks are still not yet a legitimate contending team at this point, so he's going to use these types of brown nosing tactics to try & get this guy here... i'm not knocking him for it either btw... if you can sign CWebb to a LLE contract, u have to make that move, but then you also have to have a contingency plan in place to then trade Channing Frye to get yourself a good shotblocker, because there's gonna be players penetrating & scoring in the lane (of course, that was already the case as it is)... adding CWebb to the roster will negatively effect Frye's minutes, as you said, & that would only hurt his trade value going forward... so if Isiah's going to do this, he needs to trade Frye & get good value for him.

sign CWebb
trade Channing & Nate for a Josh Smith type athletic shotblocker w/equal upside

then i think it could really help this franchise going forward, & would probably be good for Channing, Nate & Marbury's careers also, since it also addresses the fact that Marbury's been playing the best ball of the season when Nate & Francis weren't playing.
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1/12/2007  10:22 AM
I was suprised webber picked the lakers as one of the "contending" teams he wanted to go to, then I looked at the standings.

He should go to laker land and they will move into a top tier team.

Knicks stand pat and make the playoffs without winning the atlantic.

Continue to grow and next year get even better.
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1/12/2007  11:10 AM
Posted by GhandiOrr:
Posted by TheGame:

A better idea would be to sign Ewing or Vlade Divac or some other great passing big man to teach them. I just don't see any real reason for bringing Webber here.

I think it is facinating that you have sighted Ewing as a "great passing big man." When he was a rookie he couldn't pass. With Patino's "Bomb Squad" he could pass the ball back out when double teamed, but it wasn't until Riley got here that he began hitting the cutters and making nifty passes in the paint. Divac and Webber are more intuitive passers, but Ewing did learn it, and I think Curry is showing signs of learning it as well.

Actually, I don't consider Ewing a great passing big man but I think he is a competent passer and better at it than Curry so he can teach Curry something. Vlade is a great passing big man, who I think could be a great big man coach. That guy played with Magic and was one of the greatest passing big men of his generation. He would have a wealth of tricks to teach our big men. I think Webber would be a good teacher too, but Webber wants to play and win a championship, not teach. It would be a bad fit for him and as a result, a bad fit for us.
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1/12/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Nalod:

Brown was fired for Isiah's sins.

Just win, and its all good.

Brown was fired for incompetence and sabotaging the team, and being Trevor Ariza delusional.

Brown was fired for Isiahs sins.

MSG does not fire for incompetence.

Sabatage is subjective. Isiah sabotaged the team for two years and was not fired.

I think the knicks would be no worse with Brown coaching this season given the personal changes and the way things have gone this year.

Browns tactics were bad, but he wanted to thin out the talent which is what Isiah did this year.

Brown was fired for the wrong reasons. His tactics might have been wrong, but he "sabotaged" for a reason.

To reiterate what bigbeast said, Zeke is by and large getting rid of the players that LB orchestrated to bring into the fold.

Zeke had the authority so he should shoulder the ultimate blame for the Francis trade, but the LB stans are taking it way too far by completely freeing LB of any responsibility.

For whatever reason, the LB groupie squad is getting desperate because all signs are pointing to his performance and actions being a big reason for last year's disaster of a season. This is practically the exact same team. Now its...'well Larry would have done just fine with this team'...who cares. Let the man live with the multi-millions that he snatched from the knicks.
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Isiah trying to buyout Francis to get Webber....

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