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holfresh
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1/8/2007  7:48 PM

If an alien happened onto this forum, they would think David Lee is the best basketball player on this planet, ever...I read stuff like when DLee is in the game he makes everyone better..You would think they are talking about Larry Bird or Magic Johnson..You would think we just signed Jason Kidd...DLee had eight assist one game the forum turned into DLee should be the point forward, he is the best passer we have on the team...I'm just shocked by it all...A recent poll had DLee as the best basketball player on the Knicks..

I like what DLee has brought to the Knicks..The Knicks really needs his rebounding and his seemingly ever presence on the offensive boards...DLee is a keeper and is untouchable in my eyes..But makes everyone better???...I have never seen David Lee make Marbury better by blocking a penetrating guard's shot after he beat his defender on the perimeter, Or maybe step in the lane and take a charge like the Oakman has done on countless nights..Pick and roll with DLee??...Does he help Curry by stretching the Defense freeing him up in the middle???..Is he setting picks to free Craw to penetrate without people draped all over him...Come on people...

His biggest problem is that he is a tweener..He can't really guard 3s, which is really unfair to him..But we need him in the game..He's too small to play the 4 because he has no defensive presence against bigger players or act as a deterrent to block shots against penetrators...While he has his negatives, he has excelled at rebounding which can't be ingored...He also does little things well such as passing and filling the lanes... The fact that he averages a double double can't be overlooked either..He does however, get alot, if not most of his points off the ability of our guards to penetrate and dish..This "Euphoria" that would have us believe the Knicks only win when he is on the court just has to stop...He does have some glaring weaknesses that often hurt the Knicks...His defense leaves alot to be desired...His overall game is good and is he is one of the foundations of this organization going forward..But please lets not get carried away with his skills....He is still young and have time to improve in all aspects of the game..He just isn't there yet as most people here seems to think....
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oohah
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1/8/2007  7:54 PM
Uh-oh Hol, get ready for the onslaught...

I just hope that David Lee doesn't have a streak of bad play, at that point it will all go other other way!

oohah

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1/8/2007  8:01 PM
I was at the Seattle game.. and DLee was very, very impressive. With he and Jeffries on the floor, surrounding Curry.. we have a very flexible, cohesive, ball moving front court. His passing is excellent for a big man. No.. he is not Dwight Howard.. but he is very good at all the intagible areas of the game.. a perfect complement to Curry. He does more in the open court, is a better passer, and equal rebounder to Oak. Where he is behind Oak.. is interior defense (which he'll learn.. he's a better athlete) and the mid-range J. He makes great plays and doesn't take a possession off. NY is starved for this type of smart, athletic, hustling player.
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1/8/2007  8:06 PM
Last year was the only recent year O'neal has missed significant games due to injury. The previous year was due to the suspension. Most years he plays around 75 games.
holfresh
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1/8/2007  8:06 PM
Posted by rain:

I was at the Seattle game.. and DLee was very, very impressive. With he and Jeffries on the floor, surrounding Curry.. we have a very flexible, cohesive, ball moving front court. His passing is excellent for a big man. No.. he is not Dwight Howard.. but he is very good at all the intagible areas of the game.. a perfect complement to Curry. He does more in the open court, is a better passer, and equal rebounder to Oak. Where he is behind Oak.. is interior defense (which he'll learn.. he's a better athlete) and the mid-range J. He makes great plays and doesn't take a possession off. NY is starved for this type of smart, athletic, hustling player.

all that must have been in the second half because he only played 8 mins in the first half...The Knicks were up by 17 by halftime...

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1/8/2007  8:11 PM
holfresh, you either havent been reading, or have been reading too much into things.

The team DOES play best when David Lee is on the floor. Thats a statistical fact.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607NYK.HTM

Look at this page, and lets talk about what these numbers mean. Each player has a +/- for when they are on the court, off the court and net.

Equally important is the number of minutes as these stats can certainly be skewed. So lets just focus on the core players, or guys that have played more than 60% of minutes of all the Knick games.

Thats Marbure 73%, Crawford 74%, Curry at 68% and Lee at 61%

of all these players the only one the Knicks are + in point differential with on the floor is Lee with +2.9

Equally interesting is that off all these players the Knicks play the WORST when Lee is off the floor.

Ive been saying for awhile that Lee's impact on the game is exceeded by his very solid stats. He's become a premier rebounder in the NBA. He's an excellent passer. He makes hustle plays that impact the game, and plays hard on defense.

Now those are my opinions. What is not my opinion is that when Lee is on the floor the Knicks play their best ball. When Lee is off the floor the Knicks play their worst ball. Those are facts, regardless of what you think or what you think you see.
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holfresh
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1/8/2007  8:18 PM
Posted by fishmike:

holfresh, you either havent been reading, or have been reading too much into things.

The team DOES play best when David Lee is on the floor. Thats a statistical fact.

http://www.82games.com/0607/0607NYK.HTM

Look at this page, and lets talk about what these numbers mean. Each player has a +/- for when they are on the court, off the court and net.

Equally important is the number of minutes as these stats can certainly be skewed. So lets just focus on the core players, or guys that have played more than 60% of minutes of all the Knick games.

Thats Marbure 73%, Crawford 74%, Curry at 68% and Lee at 61%

of all these players the only one the Knicks are + in point differential with on the floor is Lee with +2.9

Equally interesting is that off all these players the Knicks play the WORST when Lee is off the floor.

Ive been saying for awhile that Lee's impact on the game is exceeded by his very solid stats. He's become a premier rebounder in the NBA. He's an excellent passer. He makes hustle plays that impact the game, and plays hard on defense.

Now those are my opinions. What is not my opinion is that when Lee is on the floor the Knicks play their best ball. When Lee is off the floor the Knicks play their worst ball. Those are facts, regardless of what you think or what you think you see.

Those stats also says that the Knicks are better when Marbs, Curry and Craw are on the bench...We all know that to be true...According to those stats the players that should get most minutes are Cato, Lee, Francis and Nate...Makes all the sense in the world....


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1/8/2007  8:23 PM
Dude! "The David Lee Euphoria" - I love that f'ng band! They f'ng rock!!!!!
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1/8/2007  8:26 PM
i'm the drummer

djsunyc
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1/8/2007  8:27 PM
and fish is the trumpet player...



basketballjones, we're looking for a banjo player, you interested?
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1/8/2007  8:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Those stats also says that the Knicks are better when Marbs, Curry and Craw are on the bench...We all know that to be true...According to those stats the players that should get most minutes are Cato, Lee, Francis and Nate...Makes all the sense in the world....
i guess you didnt read what I wrote about how the numbers can be skewed if you dont play alot.

Also it doesnt say the Knicks are better when Marbs, Curry and Crawford are off the court. It says they outscore their opponents. Now if you actually think about why that is you would realize its pretty obvious. The Knicks bench generally outplays the opponents bench. This is why guys like Nate have strong numbers. Glad I am here to help.
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1/8/2007  8:33 PM
The point is that OF ALL THE MINUTES PLAYED...the players with the most mins are on the floor when we are up and down, quarter to quarter. Players who see a lower percentage of minutes played do not endure the DOWNS of the games as much because they are on the floor at the end of quarters or in garbage time, when one team has a huge lead over the other. Therefore if Cato or Nate scores five points in a 4th Q blowout and we outscore our opponent, there +/- goes up versus Marbs, Craw and Curry who endure 67-75% of that game, while Nate endures only 25-30% of the game.

Why dont u get past the Knicks homepage on 82games.com and see which floor units play the most minutes and give us the best chance of winning versus individual stats. I am sure that Nate and Cato will bring us above .500 with their 30% and 4% respective minutes.

Marbury-Crawford-Lee-Curry-Frye

108 mins/50% winning percentage
effective FG 51.7%
effective FG's allowed 49.7%
ft attempts +40
rebounds 101%
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1/8/2007  8:37 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

The point is that OF ALL THE MINUTES PLAYED...the players with the most mins are on the floor when we are up and down, quarter to quarter. Players who see a lower percentage of minutes played do not endure the DOWNS of the games as much because they are on the floor at the end of quarters or in garbage time, when one team has a huge lead over the other. Therefore if Cato or Nate scores five points in a 4th Q blowout and we outscore our opponent, there +/- goes up versus Marbs, Craw and Curry who endure 67-75% of that game, while Nate endures only 25-30% of the game.

Why dont u get past the Knicks homepage on 82games.com and see which floor units play the most minutes and give us the best chance of winning versus individual stats. I am sure that Nate and Cato will bring us above .500 with their 30% and 4% respective minutes.

Marbury-Crawford-Lee-Curry-Frye

108 mins/50% winning percentage
effective FG 51.7%
effective FG's allowed 49.7%
ft attempts +40
rebounds 101%

Jamal Crawford
Ranks #5 in the NBA in Minutes Played(1320.0)

Stephon Marbury
Ranks #8 in the NBA in Minutes Played(1292.0)

Eddy Curry
Ranks #26 in the NBA in Minutes Played(1211.0)
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1/8/2007  8:38 PM
Posted by djsunyc:


basketballjones, we're looking for a banjo player, you interested?


I am SO there!

https:// It's not so hard.
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1/8/2007  8:39 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by djsunyc:


basketballjones, we're looking for a banjo player, you interested?


I am SO there!


sweet. and no marv, we don't need someone that can play the skin flute.
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1/8/2007  8:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Last year was the only recent year O'neal has missed significant games due to injury. The previous year was due to the suspension. Most years he plays around 75 games.

Bonn, O'neal missed 15 games to suspension the brawl year, and another 23 to injury, I believe he has back trouble, knee, and ankle problems. Last year he missed 31 games. He is just the kind of situation that worries me: He plays great but there seems to be some structural damage that ain't getting better.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-01-2007 8:48 PM]
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1/8/2007  8:50 PM
hmmm. I thought he had a 30 game suspension that year but my memory might be off
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1/8/2007  8:52 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

hmmm. I thought he had a 30 game suspension that year but my memory might be off

The suspension was 25 games, but he got the suspension reduced to 15 for past good behavior.

oohah

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1/8/2007  8:58 PM
David Lee is the best player on the Knicks.
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1/8/2007  9:09 PM
oohah you dont play bad for a extended period of time when you play hard all the time. What is Frye excuse?
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