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EnySpree
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1/6/2007  1:40 AM
A lot of people are debating him all ready all over the board but I think he needs his own thread.

His value to the team. Has anyone thought about that? Everyone wants a defender but who is gonna replace what he does with the ball? Marbs is the point guard but craw is just as good at it if not better and there is no shooting guard in this league that can contain craw off the dribble. When craws shot is off he still is a threat to hit a cold blooded clutch shot and like I said he is ill with the ball and the pass. His passing lane defense is good too. His man defense is bad but not absolutely killing the knicks.

What is his value? Can anyone deny that craw helps this team go?

Knicks still need help, but craw is not the problem. He is the heart along with David lee.

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1/6/2007  1:44 AM
Crawford is a low percentage player, but he useful when he is hot and used correctly. I think he will be even more effective when Q and Robinson get back because when he is having an off game, we will have somebody to step in, and when he is hot, we can just ride him.

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1/6/2007  1:46 AM
I've never had a huge problem with Crawford, he was my favorite player before Lee's emergence. I think Crawford has a ton of talent, I think he would flourish under a Phil Jackson type coach, who has said before that he would love to have Jamal because of his potential in the triangle.

Craw is amazing when he gets his game going, but its when his game isn't going is when I have a problem with it. I just wish Jamal could bring it consistently because if he did, he would be a top player in this league. His defense usually feeds off his offense too so when his shot is falling, he's really a complete player.

I gotta see more consistency from Jamal though before I start going crazy over him.
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1/6/2007  1:48 AM
JamalCrawford = Gilbert lite.


You have to let thosekind of players have a little space.............. even on his baddaysCrawford still puts up points.
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1/6/2007  2:24 AM
Craw is what he is. He is a 3rd option kind of player that if he is off, you just take him out. His defense has been getting better, as far his steals are concerned. That is really the only thing he can do, get steals, because he is not big enough to defend most 2's. But I remember in the beginning of his 1st season here, he was getting a lot of steals for fast breaks.

He has a reasonable contract, which is probably why he does not get the attention of some of our other guards.
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1/6/2007  6:43 AM
Why did Crawford take 26 shots when Curry was 9-9 from the field?
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1/6/2007  7:49 AM
It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.

But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.
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1/6/2007  9:23 AM
Posted by Ira:

Why did Crawford take 26 shots when Curry was 9-9 from the field?


I know 8 for 26 while Curry only took 12 shots. How Crawford takes 26shots on a team with curry, frye & marbury is beyond me

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-06-2007 09:24 AM]
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1/6/2007  9:59 AM
craw for me is still improving his game just like wat clayde and breen was talking about he started playing ball late.......his defense is getting better also his man to man compared to his first year with us but he needs to understand that he is a the 2nd or 3rd option him taking 23 plus shots a game is crazy
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1/6/2007  10:12 AM
the problem with Crawford is he should be a third guard that can come in, and if hot, score points- but if he is off, just run the offense or go back to the bench.
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1/6/2007  10:28 AM
Craw plays better as a point guard. What is required from the position keeps Craw's shooting in check.
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1/6/2007  10:58 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by Ira:

Why did Crawford take 26 shots when Curry was 9-9 from the field?


I know 8 for 26 while Curry only took 12 shots. How Crawford takes 26shots on a team with curry, frye & marbury is beyond me

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01-06-2007 09:24 AM]

Because the whole team wants him to take shots. JC is a volume shooter and if he hit .02 to .03 more of his shots he would be scoring at an Allstar level. So I definitly think he can still become better.
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1/6/2007  11:00 AM
Posted by Erniecat:

It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.
But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think he can be a part of this teams future as a 6th man. His game is tailor made to be a combo-guard off the bench who can back up both guard positions. When he's hot you ride him, when he's not, yank him.

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Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Erniecat:

It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.
But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think he can be a part of this teams future as a 6th man. His game is tailor made to be a combo-guard off the bench who can back up both guard positions. When he's hot you ride him, when he's not, yank him.

I partially agree. If he not going to be mainly used as a point guard, he is best used a a 6th man swing guard. He is not a starting caliber 2 guard, IMO.
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1/6/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Erniecat:

It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.
But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think he can be a part of this teams future as a 6th man. His game is tailor made to be a combo-guard off the bench who can back up both guard positions. When he's hot you ride him, when he's not, yank him.

I partially agree. If he not going to be mainly used as a point guard, he is best used a a 6th man swing guard. He is not a starting caliber 2 guard, IMO.
I agree in theory but the problem is that he plays poorly in the 6th man role.

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1/6/2007  11:28 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Erniecat:

It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.
But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think he can be a part of this teams future as a 6th man. His game is tailor made to be a combo-guard off the bench who can back up both guard positions. When he's hot you ride him, when he's not, yank him.

I partially agree. If he not going to be mainly used as a point guard, he is best used a a 6th man swing guard. He is not a starting caliber 2 guard, IMO.
I agree in theory but the problem is that he plays poorly in the 6th man role.

He's had some blow-up games off the bench this yr and last yr. He doesn't play poorly off the bench, he plays inconsistant off the bench which brings us full circle on the argment that Craw is an all around inconsistant player, starting or sitting.
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1/6/2007  11:29 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Erniecat:

It's very easy right now to love Jamal. What's not to love? Look at the numbers he put up Friday night. And he's been lighting up the scoreboard for the past two weeks, averaging a hefty 23 points over his last nine games (while averaging an even heftier 19.4 shots per game).

But as we all know all too well, the problem with Jamal is his inconsistency and his poor shooting percentage.

Look at his game logs:

He has scored at least 25 points 12 times this season. But he has scored less than 10 points 11 times.

In just the past month, he has had games where he has shot 0-for-8, 4-for-14, 5-for-17, 3-for-10, 1-for-9, 6-for-26, 2-for-8.

In fact, in the 26 games in which he has taken at least 10 shots, Craw has shot better than 50 percent just five times -- or the same number of times he has shot 30 percent or worse when taking at least 10 shots.

I guess he's a tough nut to crack. What do you make of a guy who can really carry us at times offensively, but who also kills us at times with his low shooting percentage? In some ways, he reminds me of a Gerald Wilkins -- talented and fun to watch, but lacking the consistency and pure shooting ability you want from your shooting guard.

I know it's a cliche, but what separates the decent/good players from the great ones is consistency. The great ones do it all the time. Guys like Crawford do it sometimes.

I'm not blasting Crawford. I just don't think he's anything more than a decent player who shoots for a very low percentage. In short, I don't consider him part of this team's future, in terms of building something serious.
But, that said, let's enjoy him while he's hot, because it's just a matter of time before he cools off.

I agree with most of what you are saying, but I think he can be a part of this teams future as a 6th man. His game is tailor made to be a combo-guard off the bench who can back up both guard positions. When he's hot you ride him, when he's not, yank him.

I partially agree. If he not going to be mainly used as a point guard, he is best used a a 6th man swing guard. He is not a starting caliber 2 guard, IMO.
I agree in theory but the problem is that he plays poorly in the 6th man role.

I really only think he plays poorly in the sixth man role when he is at the 2 spot.
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1/6/2007  11:54 AM
I really think you guys are nitpicking.

When the knicks win, how often is Crawford one of the main reason? Yeah if he is off the knicks usually get blown out but when he is shooting the ball well the knicks usually win.

What's wrong with having a "combo guard" start? Being a combo guard, is he too qualified to start?

Marbs and craw are the leaders of the team moving forward. I want craw out there cuz he makes things happen whether starting or finishing a play and there isn't a 2 guard in the nba now that can check him.



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1/6/2007  12:19 PM
Posted by Ira:

Why did Crawford take 26 shots when Curry was 9-9 from the field?

Curry was passing out of double teams. He also had 12FTs and some possessions where he was fouled and didn't get the call, so it's not like he wasn't touching the ball. Perhaps he should have shot more, but he had, what, 24pts 3 minutes into the third quarter, so it's not like he wasn't the focal point.

The team is playing inside out. I can't complain if Craw shots the ball after ball movement. Curry is definitely the first option. I think the offense makes sense. It'd be nice to have guards who penetrated more or were more efficient outside shooters, but Jamal and Marbury are playing well right now.
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1/6/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by joec32033:


I partially agree. If he not going to be mainly used as a point guard, he is best used a a 6th man swing guard. He is not a starting caliber 2 guard, IMO.

I agree he's not an NBA shooting guard. I'd like to see QRich start and Craw run the point off the bench.
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