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oohah
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12/30/2006  10:02 AM
Saddam Hussein was killed in the Iraqi Gallows last night.

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12/30/2006  10:03 AM
Sorry Bobby, missed your post in the OT forum.

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12/30/2006  12:26 PM
no problem oohah, nevertheless, this is one historic event i thought would have many opinions
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12/30/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by Bobby:

no problem oohah, nevertheless, this is one historic event i thought would have many opinions
I don't think its significant in a positive way? He should have been executed months ago. The modernization of Iraq and empowerment of the moderates was put on hold for the mockery of a trial that cost Iraq a ton. They lost about 5+ judges, projectors, lawyers etc go with their bs charade. He should have been shot at sight or the next day. The sectarian violence could've been minimized and the stabilization of that region could have started months ago.

I do think it will be a major turning point in the History of the Middle East. Iraq will become the official battle ground for the powerful Sunni Wahabi from Saudi and UAE and the Shiah dominated Iraq and Iran. This will undoubtedly spill over into Israel and once again threaten world peace. Unless of course everyone recognizes the danger we see honest effort from the world community to stop this.
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12/30/2006  3:56 PM
Everyone in this world is too damn lazy and only cares about JLO's new hair color, or small petty things. People need to open their eyes and see the plans:

http://www.threeworldwars.com
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12/30/2006  3:57 PM
From the site:

World War 3 Timeline

These are, I believe, the elements of the planned Third World War:

* Prelude - The events leading up to the start of World War Three, including Sept 11, 2001.
* Act 1 - The Middle East. Widespread conflict to bring the entire region into the flames of war, possibly triggered by Iran or militants in Pakistan using North Korean supplied nuclear arms. The first Scene in this Act is the US Invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.
* Act 2 - Israel at War -- Against her Arab neighbors, possibly Palestine. A Palestinian State will be established, so that all Israelis will be fully separated from Palestinians (listen out for mention of a 7-year treaty to be confirmed by a World Leader - probably Bush), only for Israel to viciously attack Palestine shortly thereafter.
* Act 3 - Far East -- "Hair-raising nuclear confrontation that threatens mankind's existence" - Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script, p. 223, written in 1981. Includes China invading Taiwan and a nuclear eruption on the Korean Peninsula.
* Act 4 - Erosion of Confidence in 'The System' so severe citizens will be panicked into giving up liberties and Constitutional form of government. The plan calls for the dissolution of the US Constitution, triggered by a significant enough 'terrorist' attack. The ultimate intent is to introduce a global government and one-world religion.
*

Act 5 - The collapse of the US, and other Western economies and morals.
* Act 6 - Significant population reduction using natural and man-made disasters.
* Curtain. Who can tell how this war will end?
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12/30/2006  4:18 PM
Sadam Hussein was a bloody dictator guilty of atrocities against the human race. Nobody should shed a tear for him.

Unfortunately Hussein's death was not really for his atrocities. It is the Bush's taking care of a personal grudge.

Bush and Saddam are both warlords. Bush has left a trail of blood since he took office in Texas. Among the first, if not the first act of the presidency of George W. Bush was to drop bombs on Iraq.

Killing Saddam Hussein has been the number one goal of the Bush regime. In order to accomplish it, Bush started an illegal war against Iraq under a fabricated pretense. Saddam Hussein was apprehended during this illegal war then put on a trial under a system we set up during the illegal war, except the trial's outcome was predetermined, so it was not really a trial.

The message is loud and clear: Mess with the Bush clan and they will kill you, your children, your grandchildren and leave the society of your associates in rubble.

My only questions are: Why hold a trial that isn't really a trial? Why start a war to kill Hussein? Wouldn't it have been easier, more honest, and garnered more respect from the international community to just kill Hussein? Why not spare the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of Americans? Was it because it was more profitable to settle this score through war?

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12/30/2006  5:09 PM
Good riddance.
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12/30/2006  5:21 PM
http://www.saddam_hussein.justgotowned.com/
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12/30/2006  6:31 PM
LongIslandKnicksFan, considering it was the Arab states who have "viciously" attacked Israel on several occasions in the past, you got that part of your prediction backwards.
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12/30/2006  6:50 PM
simrud, I didn't write that. It's from the website I listed. I do believe that there is a plan, and that was one persons predictions.... What do you all think of it?
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12/30/2006  7:19 PM
My standard conspiracy response: If things really are that bad then we are all ****ed waaaaaaaay beyond repair. Kill yourself now.

Otherwise pretend you don't believe the conspiracy and just do your best to live your life to the fullest every day.
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12/30/2006  7:30 PM
Dude you seriously think there is a plan for WW 3? Who do you imagine has this plan? Wars are not planned. They happen as a result of national interests clashing. When diplomacy fails to resolve issues nations have with each other, war happens. Wars also happen when sides perceive whatever it is they are fighting over a zero sum game, which is really just another way diplomacy can fail.

People who think there is an evil plan for everything that has happen, is happening, and will happen are just looking for a scapegoat to blame all their problems on. Oh, the evil guys planned this, so I'm not responsible for anything, type of thing.

Throughout mankind's history bad things have always been blamed on something, it used to be Satan, than it became the Judo-Masonic lounges, now its some generic bad guys that are apparently in control of everything everywhere. Not to to say that Satan, Jews, and Masons do not get their share scapegoating.

The reality is much sadder than any conspiracy theory. People are often stupid, cruel, and unable to emphasize. They go to wars with each other, kill each other, etc. And there is nobody but ourselves that gets the responsibility for it.
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12/30/2006  8:25 PM
LongIsland, your post regarding WW3 is interesting. Few things though:

1a) Pakistani Militants don't have the money to deal with a nuke. They don't have the resources to launch a nuke. 1b) Pakistani Militants are controlled by a Pakistani government agency called the ISI who will never authorize the use of nukes. There is one area that is Taliban controlled that is a little scary. Watch out for these tribes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waziristan

2a) China does not and most probably will not invade Taiwan. Its too expensive for them and they are currently busy with the profits from their own industrialization. 2b) The nuclear eruption in North Korea will never happen. Last I checked, they failed while testing their long range ICBM. South Korea is enjoying their great economic success and a entertainment renaissance. Have you heard of Korean Dramas? They are probably Korea's greatest export. Also, there is no evidence of S.Korea developing nukes.

3) You forgot to include Russia?!? There is no world war without Russia. Yeah, they are down right now but they are still a major player on the World Scene. And Russia does not want war. You know why? They found a way to tap into their amazingly large oil reservoirs.

The Middle East is the troubling region right now. That conflict will spill over into other parts of the world. As long as China, Russia and the US do their job, WW3 is not happening.
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12/30/2006  9:11 PM
Bush and company needed to get it's foot hole in the middleeast.

They chose saddam while Mr Bin Laden runs around in jockey shorts.

How can people be so naive that bush has an agenda and american people aren't that important to him anymore.

If his kids were fighting in a war non-winnable war maybe the truth would come out.

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12/30/2006  9:50 PM
Interesting Read: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-weather29dec29,0,2536448.story
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12/30/2006  9:58 PM
I think its obvious Bush had an agenda for going to Iraq, but that doest not mean it was a bad idea. The execution was bad, and we should have left long ago.

Either way, while it is horrible how many soldiers we lost over there because it could have been avoided, some good things might still come out of Iraq. And I'm not talking about a democracy there or whatever, that is obviously highly unlikely. What I mean is that US showed its strength, which it has not done for a while before Iraq, especially now that Saddam is dead. Other leaders in the Saddam mold will think twice before they antagonize US.

Also, an Iraq divided into several countries is not such a bad thing either. The old adage goes divide and conquer, and the Islamic extremists have been split along sectarian lines. The more they fight each other the better for the rest of the world.
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12/30/2006  10:07 PM
Cool article Silver, the Mongols were much better at conquering nations.

But if you do something like that today, all the human rights NGOs and hypocritical European governments will denounce you like there is no tomorrow.

The reason all conflicts these days never seem to end is because of UN "peacekeeping". Instead of a conflict coming to a logical and definitive conclusion, it is dragged on for years. More people get killed and more people lives are destroyed in the long run, but that is the way of today's humanitarian.

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12/30/2006  10:11 PM
Posted by simrud:

I think its obvious Bush had an agenda for going to Iraq, but that doest not mean it was a bad idea. The execution was bad, and we should have left long ago.

Either way, while it is horrible how many soldiers we lost over there because it could have been avoided, some good things might still come out of Iraq. And I'm not talking about a democracy there or whatever, that is obviously highly unlikely. What I mean is that US showed its strength, which it has not done for a while before Iraq, especially now that Saddam is dead. Other leaders in the Saddam mold will think twice before they antagonize US.

Also, an Iraq divided into several countries is not such a bad thing either. The old adage goes divide and conquer, and the Islamic extremists have been split along sectarian lines. The more they fight each other the better for the rest of the world.

How could there have been a good way to execute a plan to invade a Iraq that wouldn't have ended up making Iran, the real enemy in the region, stronger?

That's exactly what happened, and it's a disaster.
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12/30/2006  10:16 PM
Posted by simrud:

But if you do something like that today, all the human rights NGOs and hypocritical European governments will denounce you like there is no tomorrow.
Very true, but not as much as they did with the torture videos. Hindsight is 20/20 so I hear you but I think once we were in there, we should have gone with the shock, awe and get out of there.
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