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playa2
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12/28/2006  9:01 PM
Many people don't realize that Stephon Marbury is more sensitive and big baby than he is obnoxious and arrogant. When you look at the current performances he is having with Nate Robinson away, you can come to a few conclusions.

First conclusion is that the towel over the head of Steph and the negative vibe occurs when Nate is playing well and he gets cheers while steph gets booed. That is too much for Steph's frail ego and pride. He is not capable of being a good teammate and too insecure to see a younger player getting more love than he does. He usaully plays how he feels.

Second, Nate is really just a gimmick and a marketing machine to show that short guys can "play too". In the mold of Damon stoudamire who Isiah saw as a fireplug, Nate is not as valuable to the Knicks basketball wise as he is marketing wise.

Third if Nate comes back on the court to a standing ovation when he enters a game... and he will , how will Steph who is playing like the old stephon marbury deal with it?
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12/28/2006  9:15 PM
Nate has an impact on the game. We don't have to trade him because he's bad. But it's not a bad idea becasue he's redundant. We have three other guards that can do what he does. When you need shotblocking, perimeter d in the backcourt, and shooting why would you hold onto something that you don't need more of. The same could be said for Stevie and Jamal and even Steph. You hvae to break this crew up. It doesn't make sense to have all of them when we have other needs that can be more than a spark they can actually change the face of our team.
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12/28/2006  10:27 PM
I wonder if Philly would trade one of its two late round firsts for Nate...
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12/28/2006  10:54 PM
i dont know, I like Nate Rob coming off the bench. He is young enough and has the talent to be molded. Get rid of mardy and Stevie, they cant do anything in this offense. Nate is a good shooter and good penetrater, he plays defense, hustles, plays with passion. He shoots free throws, gets to the line, quick off the dribble, crowd favorite. He has his primadonna issues but that will subside in due time.

I say keep Nate, he is the energy you need off the bench especially if lee is starting.
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12/28/2006  11:03 PM
he's a good shooter and we need good shooters to take the kick out pass from the post and bury the j.
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12/28/2006  11:19 PM
the guy scores in bunches. You don't trade him for a maybe NBA player. This guy is bobby jackson and earl boykins rolled into one. He can drop 20 on any team in the NBA if given the minutes. If given the minutes his game will round out. You don't trade Nate to make a player in decline, who won't be on the team in two years... happy.
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12/29/2006  3:43 AM
I don't know. I'm not sure Nate fits the the team right now, but the team sucks. So the question is, do we change the team that sucks, or trade a player that does not fit? I guess the real question is, can Nate fit into a winning system?
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12/29/2006  3:49 AM
Posted by rain:

the guy scores in bunches. You don't trade him for a maybe NBA player. This guy is bobby jackson and earl boykins rolled into one. He can drop 20 on any team in the NBA if given the minutes. If given the minutes his game will round out. You don't trade Nate to make a player in decline, who won't be on the team in two years... happy.

I agree with this. Nate is a good three point shooter also. Nate also is good insurance in case of injury. He can fill in and you won't lose any scoring.

Collins is still a valuable player too. He is a good 4th guard to have for now. He hasn't shown much but a dude with his height, skills and age is great to have in the stash.

Stevie Francis is the guy that needs to be traded.
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12/29/2006  4:56 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by rain:

the guy scores in bunches. You don't trade him for a maybe NBA player. This guy is bobby jackson and earl boykins rolled into one. He can drop 20 on any team in the NBA if given the minutes. If given the minutes his game will round out. You don't trade Nate to make a player in decline, who won't be on the team in two years... happy.

I agree with this. Nate is a good three point shooter also. Nate also is good insurance in case of injury. He can fill in and you won't lose any scoring.

Collins is still a valuable player too. He is a good 4th guard to have for now. He hasn't shown much but a dude with his height, skills and age is great to have in the stash.

Stevie Francis is the guy that needs to be traded.

I agree with EnySpree here. Francis' body language the other night leads me to believe that he has to go. The problem that I see is his contract. Who is gonna want to take it on? I'm not sure anyone will. If we could move him, I'm game, especially in light of how Marbury and Crawford have played of late. Man, would Isiah love to have that trade back.

I like your thoughts though, Playa and think it's a valid point and something I hadn't thought of. BUT let me counter with the optimists take that maybe Marbury has turned a page and will realize that he needs a TEAM to win and that he can't do it alone. As stated by many, it certianly seems like the fight brought the Knicks together and truthfully, Nate was doing his best to back his teammates, even as poorly as he handled it. So, maybe Marbury can/will start to respect and appreciate what Nate brings to the team. Inlcuding things like firing up the Garden crowd, being that occasional spark plug and hustling all over the court. And maybe he'll go as far to embrace it. Embrace the TEAM. As an eternal optimist, I want to believe that it will happen but, of course, I'm not sure if it will. Marbury's psyche can be so delicate at times that I'm always worried about it falling back into a bad place and the Knicks need his head to be in the right place if they're gonna win.
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12/29/2006  7:42 AM
Seriously,that fight............ handslapping insadent means that much to some of you guys it is now timetofind ways to run Nate off the team???? LOL. If Marbury is Shaking by a second year 5'9 shooting Guard, then it is time to trade MARBURY. HOw can Nate Robinson hold a team back from winning??? I hear people say that, like it's some insiteful comment, but WTF does it mean. It's like saying the Jazz didn't beat the Bulls because Shandon Anderson was the 8th-9th man off the bench. If we don't win, it isn't because of the 8th man off the Bench!!!!!!!!!


Why get rid of NAte???? WHen he had his scoring going, he lead the league in points off the bench in the first month of the season in 15minutes a game................. alot of teams couldn't use that I guess.

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12/29/2006  8:50 AM
Posted by Anji:

Seriously,that fight............ handslapping insadent means that much to some of you guys it is now timetofind ways to run Nate off the team???? LOL. If Marbury is Shaking by a second year 5'9 shooting Guard, then it is time to trade MARBURY. HOw can Nate Robinson hold a team back from winning??? I hear people say that, like it's some insiteful comment, but WTF does it mean. It's like saying the Jazz didn't beat the Bulls because Shandon Anderson was the 8th-9th man off the bench. If we don't win, it isn't because of the 8th man off the Bench!!!!!!!!!


Why get rid of NAte???? WHen he had his scoring going, he lead the league in points off the bench in the first month of the season in 15minutes a game................. alot of teams couldn't use that I guess.

[Edited by - anji on 12-29-2006 07:45 AM]

Its not that we can't use what Nate gives us- its that we need to balance the roster.

We need outside shooting, but we need a 2g that can shoot from outside and defend more than we need a midget pg/2g who can shoot and do a decent job defending.

I don't think anyone is saying to trade him for addition by subtraction purpose- but now might be the time to entertain offers.
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12/29/2006  9:04 AM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by rain:

the guy scores in bunches. You don't trade him for a maybe NBA player. This guy is bobby jackson and earl boykins rolled into one. He can drop 20 on any team in the NBA if given the minutes. If given the minutes his game will round out. You don't trade Nate to make a player in decline, who won't be on the team in two years... happy.

I agree with this. Nate is a good three point shooter also. Nate also is good insurance in case of injury. He can fill in and you won't lose any scoring.

Collins is still a valuable player too. He is a good 4th guard to have for now. He hasn't shown much but a dude with his height, skills and age is great to have in the stash.

Stevie Francis is the guy that needs to be traded.

agree with both.

Nate is a sparkplug...every team can use a Nate Robinson on their bench. The only guard that needs to go is S.Francis.
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12/29/2006  9:12 AM
If trading Nate got rid of Francis's deal, I would consider it, because we can pick up another FA pg and not have to wait 2 more years to get some cap flexibility. Otherwise, I would not trade Nate for anything less than a GOOD defensive PF prospect (like Chi. Thomas) or a high 1st round pick. Nate has value and sometimes I like him as our offensive spark more than Crawford, because he plays with a little more control. Crawford is improving his passing though and that is where Nate has to grow. Really, this team does not need any trades (other than to get rid of Francis) unless it is for a superstar that is really going to make a difference. Francis being hurt has relieved some of the backcourt congestion, so once Nate comes back, the backcourt should be fairly balanced.
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12/29/2006  10:35 AM
i would trade Nate to get a young shotblocker or a mid 1st round pick... other than that, i say keep him... he's a good insurance policy against Marbury or Jamal having an off night like othes have said, & he's the sparkplug off the bench that this team needs on some nights... plus the fans love the guy, even w/all the boneheaded shenanigans... that gets his teammates inspired when he gets it going... if Marbury wants to sulk, that's on him... he needs to grow up & just keep playing the way he's been playing, & there won't be any problems w/him not getting any love from the fans.
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12/29/2006  11:02 AM
playa2, those are some great speculative points you raise.

Nate is a gimmick. I can't picture him having a role on a winning team.

Get him out.
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12/29/2006  11:05 AM
Posted by TheGame:

If trading Nate got rid of Francis's deal, I would consider it, because we can pick up another FA pg and not have to wait 2 more years to get some cap flexibility. Otherwise, I would not trade Nate for anything less than a GOOD defensive PF prospect (like Chi. Thomas) or a high 1st round pick. Nate has value and sometimes I like him as our offensive spark more than Crawford, because he plays with a little more control. Crawford is improving his passing though and that is where Nate has to grow. Really, this team does not need any trades (other than to get rid of Francis) unless it is for a superstar that is really going to make a difference. Francis being hurt has relieved some of the backcourt congestion, so once Nate comes back, the backcourt should be fairly balanced.

I think you have the principle right, but I think the only 2 guys that will really intrest teams to take on Francis is Frye and Lee. I can't see a team taking on Francis just to get Nate.
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12/29/2006  12:49 PM
Francis contract is wayy to much for teams to take on trying to get under the cap, nate is just that-- a crowd pleaser. LB called him a highlight reel.
Let's get serious with this team and drop the circus act, but get something of value in return.

Marbury is the one who's emotionally unstable, very moody and a guy no one can figure out and he won't be traded.

We must remove the gut at the guard position and get another young PF or young C.
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Posted by playa2:

Francis contract is wayy to much for teams to take on trying to get under the cap, nate is just that-- a crowd pleaser. LB called him a highlight reel.
Let's get serious with this team and drop the circus act, but get something of value in return.

Marbury is the one who's emotionally unstable, very moody and a guy no one can figure out and he won't be traded.

We must remove the gut at the guard position and get another young PF or young C.

I'd prefer a stud SG, because I really think we are set at PF(Lee) and C(Curry), maybe even at SF(Balkman and Jefferies).
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12/29/2006  12:56 PM
I agree whole heartedly. Love the little guy but we don't need him.
Send him home to Seattle in a package to get us Ray Allen.

At best he will be a "spark" off the bench in his nba career.

It's too hard for someone his size, playing major minutes, to compete day in and day out on the defensive side of the ball in this league.

Love the heart but he really doesn't have any place on this team.
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by playa2:

Francis contract is wayy to much for teams to take on trying to get under the cap, nate is just that-- a crowd pleaser. LB called him a highlight reel.
Let's get serious with this team and drop the circus act, but get something of value in return.

Marbury is the one who's emotionally unstable, very moody and a guy no one can figure out and he won't be traded.

We must remove the gut at the guard position and get another young PF or young C.

I'd prefer a stud SG, because I really think we are set at PF(Lee) and C(Curry), maybe even at SF(Balkman and Jefferies).

Who's giving up a stud SG for nate ?

We would have to Either package him with Frye or Lee for that to even become an possibility / because by himself he's nothing but a sideshow with A.D.D that most coaches won't have time to deal with.

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