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12/26/2006  1:28 PM
Sounds like he doesn't fit the way they want to play. He is also shooting a career worse 35%. With that said, we have Marbury or Francis that would better fit Musselman's new uptempo style. Package either with Frye or something a little less that makes it work $$$wise. Bibby would help. He is a true point guard. As "bad" a year as he is having, he still is averaging 21 a game.
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12/26/2006  1:32 PM
How would Marbury or Francis fit Musslemans uptempo style when they didn't fit that style here?
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12/26/2006  1:35 PM
No one is sure exactly what Isiah's style really is. Certainly Marbury isn't leading a Phoenix Sun type run and gun offense under Isiah, is he? Our offense is predicated on getting the ball first to Eddy Curry. Not a bad thing. But it is not run and gun.
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12/26/2006  1:36 PM
As "bad" a year as he is having, he still is averaging 21 a game.

iow... no chance in hell we're getting him for either Marbury or Francis.
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12/26/2006  1:37 PM
That's why I mentioned Channing Frye. Maybe they give us Kenny Thomas and we give Marbury and Frye. Think they would do it then?
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12/26/2006  1:39 PM
I'd consider that, but I wouldn't move Frye for him, he's too old(29). I would trade just Marbury or Francis.

I would consider something along the lines of Bibby, Williamson(FA), and Potapenko(FA) for Stephon or Stevie and Jerome. Both Work.

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Steve Francis
6-3 PG from Maryland

Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M


Incoming

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas

Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State

OR

New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Stephon Marbury
6-2 PG from Georgia Tech
16.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 6.4 apg in 36.6 minutes

Jerome James
7-1 C from Florida A&M
3.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.3 apg in 9.0 minutes


Incoming

Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas

Vitaly Potapenko
6-10 C from Wright State

Edit:I deleted the numbers because the numbers from RealGM are wrong....I'll post the correct stats seperately.

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12/26/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

No one is sure exactly what Isiah's style really is. Certainly Marbury isn't leading a Phoenix Sun type run and gun offense under Isiah, is he? Our offense is predicated on getting the ball first to Eddy Curry. Not a bad thing. But it is not run and gun.

It's predicated on getting the ball to Curry now, but earlier in the season it wasn't and it was up and down. Marbury and Francis both had huge problems running that offense which is why Isiah changed the offense and made it a dump-down to Curry offense.
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12/26/2006  1:51 PM
Bibby- 16pts, 3.8rebs, 6.0asts
Corliss- 7.5pts, 3rebs(FA)
Potapenko- 0 across the board.

Stephon- 12.4pts, 2.4 rebs, 5.1 asts
Francis- 11pts, 3.5 rebs, 4.4asts
James- 2.5 pts, 1.6 rebs

Yes, point is I wouldn't trade for him unless it's a steal.
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12/26/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

That's why I mentioned Channing Frye. Maybe they give us Kenny Thomas and we give Marbury and Frye. Think they would do it then?

i'm not interested in taking on Kenny Thomas' contract & giving up Frye just to unload Marbury or Francis... i'd much rather just buy 1 of those guys out & go with what we have until we can draft or sign a PG who plays defense, like a Chris Duhon.
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12/26/2006  1:54 PM

Giving up Frye for a player in his 9th year that the Knicks don't really need doesn't make a lot of sense...Bibby's better days are behind him just like Francis and Marbury...Do we really need to watch another point guard grow old and pay him the money he really earned on someone else's roster...NO Thanks...I can live with Marbs...Francis must go...
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12/26/2006  2:46 PM
But who is going to take Francis? That's the quandary.
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12/26/2006  2:49 PM
no one... not as long as it's obvious that his ailing knee is sapping him of any quickness or explosiveness in his game... he's not the type of jumpshooting scorer that can get by on his perimeter shot... he relies heavily on his legs to get him his points... w/o those, he's pretty much useless... no team will want to take on his salary w/those types of health questions as well unless you're getting back an even worse garbage contract in return.
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12/26/2006  3:24 PM
If we trade Frye for Bibby I swear I will go postal.
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12/26/2006  3:27 PM
I would do Crawford, Robinson, Frye for Bibby and Artest and then turn around and move Bibby, to Miami for Dorrel Wright and a contract that expires with Marbury, see if you can get Riley to bite
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12/26/2006  3:35 PM
I don't think you could get Bibby and Artest for that. God bless you if it were possible.
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12/26/2006  3:45 PM
Posted by MS:

I would do Crawford, Robinson, Frye for Bibby and Artest and then turn around and move Bibby, to Miami for Dorrel Wright and a contract that expires with Marbury, see if you can get Riley to bite


what contracts would you be able to get from MIA? James Posey is their only expiring contract of substance (all the others are small LLE or veteran's minimum type players)... i want no part of Jason Williams & the year remaining on his deal, & forget about Antoine Walker... he's on their books until the end of the 2011 season.
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12/26/2006  4:01 PM
If the Kings want to go a different direction, I'd take Bibby for either Marbury or Francis. While Bibby likes to score, he's a pass-first, old school PG-- he distributes the ball, then moves to the open spot-- the offense doesn't stagnate with him. He's not an exceptional defender, so he's no upgrade in that aspect. For a PG, he has never really averaged a ton of assists-- preferring to move the ball around. Conversely, his teammates have tended to have relatively high assist averages, especially his big men (Webber, Divac, and Brad Miller).

If he couldn't get Curry averaging 1+apg, then no one can.

The thing is, I don't think many people consider him significantly better or worse than Marbury/Francis on the whole. It's interesting, 2 years back, I would have considered Francis by far the most complete player of the 3 PGs.
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12/26/2006  4:43 PM
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about how Francis's stock has fallen drastically. And Marbury's to an extent. I guess we are stuck for this year and two more with both Marbs and Francis's contracts. What a shame. But there are still a few coaches who love Marbury. Van Gundy comes to mind. Which brings up the TMac possibilities and the his high risk stature due to his back problems. But probably that is the only way we will ditch a Francis or Marbury contract and bring back quality,ie; a TMac or Grant Hill, who may or may not be done. If you get lucky, they are able to still perform, if not, Allen Houston all over again.
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12/26/2006  5:01 PM
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
17.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.6 apg in 39.4 minutes
Incoming
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.8 apg in 32.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 C from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24.2 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
9.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 21.4 minutes
Change in team outlook: +5.4 ppg, +7.4 rpg, and -0.8 apg.


New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Jamal Crawford
6-5 SG from Michigan
14.3 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.8 apg in 32.3 minutes
Channing Frye
6-11 C from Arizona
12.3 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 24.2 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
9.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 21.4 minutes
Incoming
Mike Bibby
6-2 PG from Arizona
21.1 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 5.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
17.6 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 3.6 apg in 39.4 minutes


You could do that and look to move Bibby right after the deal, sacto has to include their draft pick, its looks like a terrible deal for the Knicks, but its really not when you consider we move long term deals in the process, and both of those players expire with Marbury and Francis......I don't want to hear anything about how good Channing Frye is, the guy just stands around and shoots jumpers......

Crawford is too inconsistent to play a role on a winning team unless its off the bench, and q could seriously be injured at any second. I think this move works well for both teams in all honesty, I'm not sold on Nate, and I think the Kings would do the deal giving them a young backcourt.....

The move is really set up for a push to get one of the big three out there Wade, James, Bosh, but in the meantime....

Bibby/Francis
Marbury/Collins
Artes/Balkman
Lee/Jefferies
Curry/James

Sacto
Crawford/Nate
Martin
Richardson
Frye
Miller/Thomas
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12/26/2006  5:53 PM
Enough of this "we are stuck with so & so"...there is always a dance partner out there. Yesterday's reality isnt today's and all those other cliches... There have been players with ridiculous contracts and diminishing abilities who have been moved. Unless a lights out deal comes along, I think Dolan has boxed Isiah into a 'win with what you have' box. If they make the playoffs all hell will probably break loose this summer.
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