This is the name Matt Buser (of Yahoo Sports') has given to show how incredibly non-productive Curry is as an all-around fantasy player. He writes about it in his column "Big Picture"

"The Eddy Curry Line was established to put a spotlight on how truly anemic Curry's overall fantasy line is. The standard: a player must average more turnovers than assists, steals, and blocks combined – in order to qualify, a player must have appeared in at least half of his team's games and averaged at least 20 minutes of playing time."

This is basically a variation of the assist-to-turnover ratio-- adding in Steals + Blocks to help out players who aren't particularly good assist-guys.

You can read up on the history of the column here:
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/expertsarchive?author=Matt+Buser


Now... as a big man, it's not unheard of to carry an incredibly low assist total... and a low steals total. Your role might be as an intimidator on defense, and you might be given the strict rule to either score or send the ball out to the perimeter and reset. However, Curry also has a very low block total for someone so big and athletic.

Curry is currently by far worst at his stat, currently at .49:1 "positive stats" to turnovers ratio.

Only 5 other players in the NBA carry a sub 1.0 ratio; all of these other players are still at nearly 2x Curry's current level.

Mark Blount (.88)
Al Harrington (.93)
Erick Dampier (.94)
Zach Randolph (.94)
Desmond Mason (.95)

Among the Knicks, the next 2 lowest:
Channing Frye (1.5)
Nate Robinson (1.6)

I recently posted a thread about Curry's 30game streak. This link has been posted here before at least on 2 other ocassions and it's a good write up of players assessment.


You're a HATER for posting this though

I think you are really nitpicking here. He might not be a good passer but I see him improving. He is already grabbing more rebounds that he had in the past and getting more meaningful blocks. I think his passing with definitely improve.

here are eddy's rates per 40 minutes over the past 3 seasons:

               pts    reb   ast   blks
        04/05: 22.2   7.4   0.8   1.2   (16.1 pts, 5.4 rebs, 0.6 asts, 0.9 blks in 29 mins)
        05/06: 20.9   9.2   0.5   1.2   (13.6 pts, 6.0 rebs, 0.3 asts, 0.8 blks in 26 mins)
        06/07: 21.5   8.6   0.8   0.6   (17.8 pts, 7.1 rebs, 0.7 asts, 0.5 blks in 33 mins)
past 17 games: 24.7   8.9   1.0   0.7   (21.6 pts, 7.8 rebs, 0.9 asts, 0.7 blks in 35 mins)
 past 5 games: 19.8   6.6   0.6   0.0   (15.6 pts, 5.2 rebs, 0.5 asts, 0.0 blks in 31.5 mins)

Posted by Silverfuel:

I think you are really nitpicking here. He might not be a good passer but I see him improving. He is already grabbing more rebounds that he had in the past and getting more meaningful blocks. I think his passing with definitely improve.

How is it nitpicking? The fact is aside from scoring, Eddy's stats are horribly low, and a cause for much concern. He has a long way to go to become a franchise player, which is scary, since for us to go anywhere, he has to be just that.

I'm trying to be a big Curry fan, but I'm having a hard time understanding his production-- we're not sure what to expect out of him. For stretches of games of some games, he's this unbelievable force that opponents have no answer for. There are other games when he gets 15pts, 5rbds, and several TOs.

Zach Randolph is very much the same type of black-hole, but his numbers a tad more rounded, plus his scoring and rebounding are much better too... 25.1ppg, 10.1ppg, 1.7apg, .7stl, .3blk to 2.9TOs.

Curry was doing pretty well during the 20+pt streak. He was contributing across the board. But these last few games have been a relapse to "normal" production, for him anyway...

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by technomaster:

I'm trying to be a big Curry fan, but I'm having a hard time understanding his production-- we're not sure what to expect out of him. For stretches of games of some games, he's this unbelievable force that opponents have no answer for. There are other games when he gets 15pts, 5rbds, and several TOs.

Zach Randolph is very much the same type of black-hole, but his numbers a tad more rounded, plus his scoring and rebounding are much better too... 25.1ppg, 10.1ppg, 1.7apg, .7stl, .3blk to 2.9TOs.

Curry was doing pretty well during the 20+pt streak. He was contributing across the board. But these last few games have been a relapse to "normal" production, for him anyway...

I'm thinking Eddy just might need a really strong emotional floor leader to keep him focused. Doesn't have to be a PG per se, but perhaps Q was doing it and he misses him. A Michael Jordan type, or even a Kidd might be the kind of guys who could get the most out of Curry.

I just don't think he self-motivates.

A franchise player self motivates though. He's the type of player who's harder on himself than anyone else. A franchise player motivates others and makes others around him better. He's the one picking players up and leading them.

Perhaps you're right about Q-Rich's loss. Curry's still got upside; I think we all agree on that. He didn't earn a max contract, so technically we should be a little more forgiving in terms of expectations.

With him, things have to come in baby steps. He's averaging more minutes than ever and it seems as if he's in the best shape of his life. Let's hope he rounds out as a player over the next few years. I'd like his Curry line ratio to finish at close to .75... that would show real improvement in his ability to recognize double teams and his hustle...

Posted by Michael6835:

Eddy Curry is only 23 years old.
In due time he will get better at his weaknesses. Will he be great at rebounding, probably not, but he can be better. Same with shot blocking and defense. Curry's specialty is on the offensive end, he needs to just get better in the other areas, not be great. The last great center that was able to do everything won a title in 94 and 95.
the central theme of my message is, he is only 23 with all the upside in the world.

Duncan and Shaq dont count?

Posted by Solace:

Posted by Silverfuel:

I think you are really nitpicking here. He might not be a good passer but I see him improving. He is already grabbing more rebounds that he had in the past and getting more meaningful blocks. I think his passing with definitely improve.

How is it nitpicking?

Because he isn't a finished product yet.

EDIT: He does not have to be a franchise player for us.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-26-2006 07:38 AM]

Posted by VDesai:

It means he's not particularly active when he's not scoring, which has been true. Does he help us a lot with his scoring? I'd say yes.

agreed!