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TrueBlue
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12/24/2006  10:07 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/12242006/sports/knicks/thomas_not_sorry_for_nets_knicks_marc_berman.htm

Does anyone get the feeling Zeke coaches by feel, with no real solid plan in place?
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12/24/2006  10:42 PM
ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.
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12/24/2006  10:47 PM
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?
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12/24/2006  10:55 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?

Yeah if you take out the Knicks losses last season we were undefeated too

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12/24/2006  11:09 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?

Yeah if you take out the Knicks losses last season we were undefeated too

hahaha! And if you take out my grandfather's balls, he'd be my grandmother!


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-24-2006 11:10 PM]
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12/25/2006  1:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?

Yeah if you take out the Knicks losses last season we were undefeated too

hahaha! And if you take out my grandfather's balls, he'd be my grandmother!


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-24-2006 11:10 PM]

151?
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12/25/2006  6:22 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12242006/sports/knicks/thomas_not_sorry_for_nets_knicks_marc_berman.htm

Does anyone get the feeling Zeke coaches by feel, with no real solid plan in place?

I think it's a reasonable move. My guess is he wants to put Q back in the lineup as a starter when he return and he doesn't want to change his starting lineup twice.

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12/25/2006  11:18 AM
Nan I think he doesn't want to disrupt the team again. He'll probably insert JJ2 after this game or next,but he is showing Lee respect this time . Frye isgoing to have to play great to keep his job.
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12/25/2006  11:55 AM
Lee has earned his starting spot. Crawford is a better 6th man than starter.

Curry/Lee/JJ/Q/Marbury
Frye/Balkman/Crawford

with Cato picking up spot minutes along with Nate. This gives us a lot of defense in the strting unit with a shooter, a post presence, rebounding and a slasher. We also have plenty of offense off the bench.

Something tells me that Francis will be needing some time to heal his knees, so a three guard rotation will have to do till Nate comes back. I dont think Mardy should get any time at all.
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12/25/2006  12:52 PM
Crawford is a better starter then 6th man. We should see what Q brings ofthebench,because he maybe a better 6th man then starter..... Plus marbury seems to be better with Crawford at his side.

[Edited by - anji on 12-25-2006 12:53 PM]
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12/25/2006  1:06 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?

Yeah if you take out the Knicks losses last season we were undefeated too

hahaha! And if you take out my grandfather's balls, he'd be my grandmother!


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-24-2006 11:10 PM]

151?
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12/25/2006  1:20 PM
If Jj is the MVP of this team or any team that team is in real trouble. JJ is not the MVP
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12/25/2006  1:37 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Jj is the MVP of this team or any team that team is in real trouble. JJ is not the MVP

The way Zeke was talking earlier in the season you'd think Jeffries was the MVP of this team. He was constantly whining and crying that the team was lost without Jeffries, now that he's coaching by feel it's well maybe we'll bring our MVP off the bench.
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12/25/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by kNYks342:

ummmm i think MOST coaches, coach with feel...lets put it this way...how many games has jeffries played with the team? ok let me ask you another question when have we had the FULL squad together at all this season, of course you have to coach with feel in this situation he is still trying to figure out what he has. AT LEAST HE HASNT HAD 42 DIFFFERENT STARTING LINEUPS.


If you take out Larry's Hometown love to the players you do realize player suspensions, injuries, trades, etc etc played a factor into the 42 different starting lineups?

Yeah if you take out the Knicks losses last season we were undefeated too

hahaha! And if you take out my grandfather's balls, he'd be my grandmother!


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 12-24-2006 11:10 PM]

That's just disturbing.
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12/25/2006  8:09 PM
Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.
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12/25/2006  8:10 PM
Posted by Rich:

Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.

i think it depends. i think overall, there must be a plan and you go by feel some of the time. but if you're trying to develop a system or long term plan, then one would hope a coach sticks to his plan more than going by feel.
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12/25/2006  8:14 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.

i think it depends. i think overall, there must be a plan and you go by feel some of the time. but if you're trying to develop a system or long term plan, then one would hope a coach sticks to his plan more than going by feel.

OK, but the person who started this thread seemed to being trying to find something negative, as he always does, and in this case it almost certainly isn't.

To the contrary, most of us want Isiah to stick with the lineup that has had success in the last week.
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12/25/2006  8:19 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.

i think it depends. i think overall, there must be a plan and you go by feel some of the time. but if you're trying to develop a system or long term plan, then one would hope a coach sticks to his plan more than going by feel.

OK, but the person who started this thread seemed to being trying to find something negative, as he always does, and in this case it almost certainly isn't.

To the contrary, most of us want Isiah to stick with the lineup that has had success in the last week.

usually a coach gets 3-4 years, especially in a rebuilding situation to establish a system and then find players to fit that system or style of play. isiah doesn't have 3-4 years (thanks to the idiotic dolan ultimatum) thus is "winging" it to win as many games as possible this year. now, one could also argue that a coach should adopt to his personnel and try to win as many games as possible. the real question is whether a coach can bend without sacrificing his own beliefs or long term plan.
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12/25/2006  8:28 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.

i think it depends. i think overall, there must be a plan and you go by feel some of the time. but if you're trying to develop a system or long term plan, then one would hope a coach sticks to his plan more than going by feel.

OK, but the person who started this thread seemed to being trying to find something negative, as he always does, and in this case it almost certainly isn't.

To the contrary, most of us want Isiah to stick with the lineup that has had success in the last week.

usually a coach gets 3-4 years, especially in a rebuilding situation to establish a system and then find players to fit that system or style of play. isiah doesn't have 3-4 years (thanks to the idiotic dolan ultimatum) thus is "winging" it to win as many games as possible this year. now, one could also argue that a coach should adopt to his personnel and try to win as many games as possible. the real question is whether a coach can bend without sacrificing his own beliefs or long term plan.


Great expression DJ "WINGING IT". That's exactly what I was getting at he's coaching by feel which is very susceptible to line-up changes throughout the season. Now it may not result in 42 different line-ups but it very well could result in instability down the road without clearly resolving any legitimate issues. Why was Jeffries signed to that type of deal if he's all of a sudden this potential groove destroyer?
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12/25/2006  8:30 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Rich:

Any coach that doesn't go by "feel" at times is an idiot.

If you think it's a feel v. a plan, you haven't coached.

i think it depends. i think overall, there must be a plan and you go by feel some of the time. but if you're trying to develop a system or long term plan, then one would hope a coach sticks to his plan more than going by feel.

OK, but the person who started this thread seemed to being trying to find something negative, as he always does, and in this case it almost certainly isn't.

To the contrary, most of us want Isiah to stick with the lineup that has had success in the last week.

usually a coach gets 3-4 years, especially in a rebuilding situation to establish a system and then find players to fit that system or style of play. isiah doesn't have 3-4 years (thanks to the idiotic dolan ultimatum) thus is "winging" it to win as many games as possible this year. now, one could also argue that a coach should adopt to his personnel and try to win as many games as possible. the real question is whether a coach can bend without sacrificing his own beliefs or long term plan.

I agree in terms of style of play, but in the present example we are only talking about whether or not Jeffries should start, at least immediately upon his return, which is an issue that most coaches would resolve on the basis of a "feel" no matter what their system is or how long it has been in place.

When you factor in the ad hoc nature of Isiah's situation given the time constraints you so accurately described, the necessity of having a feel for player personnel decisions is even more compelling because Isiah needs to arrive at a formula that works ASAP.
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