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fishmike
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12/23/2006  9:12 AM
And last night he really set the tone with his defense and ball distribution. Last 3 wins he's clearly the most important cog IMO and these 3 wins are a result of his effort, especially on both sides of the ball.
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12/23/2006  9:26 AM
he surely did, during the 6 game win streak last year he was playing great....and the team was too....
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12/23/2006  9:48 AM
I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/23/2006  9:53 AM
I think it's most important to play well simply b/c he's our most talented player. This is why I get so frustrated when he defers to Crawford in the 4th quarter. It just seems like he can't handle the pressure, and as much as I want to root for him, I still don't think this is the guy we need to be riding with.
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12/23/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
That 33 win team was when he had an absolutely awful supporting cast. If Marbury continues to play like this (a huge if) and Isiah doesn't f' up the rotations when guys return, the team will have a very good shot at making the playoffs (and possibly finishing at .500).
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12/23/2006  9:56 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I think it's most important to play well simply b/c he's our most talented player. This is why I get so frustrated when he defers to Crawford in the 4th quarter. It just seems like he can't handle the pressure, and as much as I want to root for him, I still don't think this is the guy we need to be riding with.

Whenever it's the closing seconds of a quarter, he defers to Crawford even though he's much better than Crawford at creating a good shot for himself. It is frustrating.
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12/23/2006  10:18 AM
Marbury's been great lately. I don't know what the cause of his early season funk was, maybe he didn't work out over the summer or something? Either way, the last 3 games he's played great on BOTH ends of the ball and he's even looking like a decent teammate for once.

If he keeps this up, the Knicks will be be winning their fair share of games, making a playoff run and making many posters like myself EAT CROW.
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12/23/2006  10:23 AM
I think the negative press and subsequent boos were affecting his play.

after the "magic talk" he's been playing better and so has the team.

hopefully he can keep it up and the press can start to give credit where credit is due.
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12/23/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
That 33 win team was when he had an absolutely awful supporting cast. If Marbury continues to play like this (a huge if) and Isiah doesn't f' up the rotations when guys return, the team will have a very good shot at making the playoffs (and possibly finishing at .500).

KT, TT. Jcraw, Nazr wasnt a horrible cast of players. This is a team. No one player is making us win. JCraw had a huge night last night but he has done that in losses. Frye, Lee and Curry had big nights. They have also done that in losses. We have won games where Marbury has done next to nothing or been benched. I like seeing Marbury playing better but to make like he is soley responsible for our wins is crazy. Would that mean he is soley responsible for our 17 losses as well or does he only get the credit for the wins?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/23/2006  10:50 AM
Yeah it a stretch and it doesn't give guys like Crawford/Curry/Fry/Lee the credit they deserve. We won against against the Bobcats with marbury playing like Grandpa Gary Payton.
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12/23/2006  10:53 AM
still no love...oh well...a tiger never changes his stripes...and actually, it's better this way.

those 4 guys need a point guard/leader and were it not for grandpa marbury's dive on floor save and time out...we wouldn't have been in position to win that one.

it goes both ways...it's a team and they all get credit...I don't get the constant need to keep marbury off the bandwagon.

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12/23/2006  11:02 AM
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still no love...oh well...a tiger never changes his stripes...and actually, it's better this way.

those 4 guys need a point guard/leader and were it not for grandpa marbury's dive on floor save and time out...we wouldn't have been in position to win that one.

it goes both ways...it's a team and they all get credit...I don't get the constant need to keep marbury off the bandwagon.

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Nobody is putting him down. Just not ready to say Marbury is soley responsible for this team winning. Thats just not true in my opinion. Not even close.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/23/2006  11:17 AM
Nan, if Steff plays like he the star of this team, like last night, that game doesn't go to OT. We get 2 points in the fourth to win. Do you see my sig??? I don't hate marbury, I actually like the guy and still was defending him up into early this season. BUt if he is going to play like Derek Fish.............. then I say let's get Derek Fisher. If he is going to be MAnBury like in the Utah and Bulls wins, I'll ride with Manbury!!!!!!!!!!

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12/23/2006  11:51 AM
I agree that we win because of the team effort, but the fact is, this team is much better when Marbury is playing well on both ends of the court. For the first time this season, I saw this team have supreme confidence in the 4th quarter. They knew they were going to win no matter what Chicago did because they knew they could not be stopped on offense. Marbury is running the offense, getting the ball to players in decent positions, and scoring at the right moments. He still needs to improve, as does the whole team, but his play and also his happy disposition are starting to infuse confidence into the team as a whole.
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12/23/2006  11:52 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
That 33 win team was when he had an absolutely awful supporting cast. If Marbury continues to play like this (a huge if) and Isiah doesn't f' up the rotations when guys return, the team will have a very good shot at making the playoffs (and possibly finishing at .500).

KT, TT. Jcraw, Nazr wasnt a horrible cast of players.

Not one of them is even an average starter. You pair Marbury with several below average starters and a bad bench and you should be thankful to get 33 wins.
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12/23/2006  11:57 AM
Would that mean he is soley responsible for our 17 losses as well or does he only get the credit for the wins?
No one's using the word solely. All we're saying is that he's the biggest impact player on the team. I wouldn't say he was solely responsible for the losses, but I would say he was more responsible than any other player.
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12/23/2006  12:03 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I think that might be a stretch. We won 33 games with him doing whatever he wanted and having his career best year. It helps for him to play well but it takes a team effort. If jcraw does have his big night or Frye or Lee or Curry then we dont win. Also we have won games this year with Marbury doing little or being benched.
That 33 win team was when he had an absolutely awful supporting cast. If Marbury continues to play like this (a huge if) and Isiah doesn't f' up the rotations when guys return, the team will have a very good shot at making the playoffs (and possibly finishing at .500).

KT, TT. Jcraw, Nazr wasnt a horrible cast of players.

Not one of them is even an average starter. You pair Marbury with several below average starters and a bad bench and you should be thankful to get 33 wins.

No doubt, that was a bad team, but Nazr was extremely helpful and averaged 10 rebounds a game before he got hurt, Kurt Thomas is a winning player, and Craw was showing flashes but too inconsistent, and TT sucked. That team wasn't horrible. By definition, 33 win teams are mediocre.

However, I think if Houston didn't come back for 20 games, I think we would have been a lot worse, b/c he and Nazr helped us get to 2 or 3 games above .500 that season, if you remember.
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12/23/2006  12:12 PM
On Novemeber 22nd we were 4-9

Since Nov 22nd we are 8-8

So what was the major change that started after Novemeber 22nd?

I will give you a hint. He has posted socring games of
21
20
24
24
24
27
26
22
36
30
20
10
19
8
29
20
in the last month when we have gone 8-8.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/23/2006  12:21 PM
For all the cliched bball fan talk of how we want to see team ball and don't want to see iso's anymore, etc etc, it's interesting how much the individualistic way of seeing things still dominates. Sugar Ray is right of course. Even though basketball is the team sport where an individual can have the greatest impact on the outcome of a game, it's still very much a team game and the outcome depends heavily on all the players on the court. There is no such thing as this magical elixir where whenever this guy plays well the team will win, or whenever this guy scores 20 or grabs 10 boards the team will win.
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12/23/2006  12:23 PM
actually my whole point to this thread is with Marbury's excellent play the entire team is benefitting. Curry especially
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