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TrueBlue
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12/18/2006  11:42 PM
Will these two ever get on the same page? And I mean get meaningful stats throughout the game where it produces a win.

Can these 2 play together? I'm beginning to believe they aren't the right pair of pg/center combo.

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12/18/2006  11:47 PM
No. They both need to dominate the ball to be effective.
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12/18/2006  11:50 PM
Posted by realhiphop:

No. They both need to dominate the ball to be effective.


Is it possible though?
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12/18/2006  11:51 PM
Posted by realhiphop:

No. They both need to dominate the ball to be effective.

One of our biggest weaknesses right now.
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12/19/2006  12:20 AM
I mentioned this earlier in the gamethread. I don't think it's possible for both Marbury and Curry to have a big games on the same night because they both need to have the ball to get theirs.
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12/19/2006  3:24 AM
It annoys the hell out of me. Cuz marbs has been complaining about having to play differently. He is so gay for that. Why can't marbs still get his? If you are a star player you get yours regardless. All of a sudden he is "starbury" again? Its just gay. Marbs has to get the ball to his teamates first and get his when the defense gives it to him. Easy and it suits his game.

Force feeding curry should still be the plan. That shouldn't effect marbs stats.

I just don't get all this gay business. Frye had a month long slump. Marbs had almost a 2 month slump. Curry started off good then slumped, then dominated now he is in another slump.

Look at balkman. The dude gets benched and when he gets his next opportunity to play big minutes he kicks royal ass.

Knicks have to get better. Will they ever? The signs show the potential in this group but will they do it before its too late?

I'm hoping for a big January. Then a trade at the deadline that solidifies everything. This is wishful thinking. Knicks should be better and I'm sick of saying it. I'm sick of defending and sticking up for them. When will they be men and start playing to their potential.
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12/19/2006  7:10 AM
I think the problem is that Curry has never been put in this position...being the "man" on his team. and I hate to say it...but both Curry and Marbury are still trying to learn how to play together.

Marbury already knows how to feed the post...now Curry needs to learn how to react to double and triple teams and pass back to the outside or slashing man.
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12/19/2006  7:21 AM
It's a work in progress - or at least I hope it is.
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12/19/2006  8:24 AM
If Marbury can drive more then that will make Curry's life easy because all Curry would have to do is cut to the basket for an open Dunk. I think Curry played bad because Q was not on the court. Since there is no shooter in the lineup teams just collapse down on Curry.
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12/19/2006  8:37 AM
Yeah the loss of Q has been big.
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12/19/2006  9:05 AM
curry didn't score a lot of points last night, but I still think he had an impact on the game.

I don't see any reason for marbury and curry not to be able to feed off each other- marbury drives and passes off- curry gets his, marbury gets his.

Last night, I think the problem was crawford jacking up stupid shots when he was off his game- he made one nice drive baseline against the zone- he should have been trying that more & possibly passing off to curry.

It definitely didn't help not having Q out there.
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12/19/2006  9:39 AM
YEah, teams are designing there D's to stop Curry now. He has to Learn to be more patient now and pick his spots better.... Also practice should be more of Curry working against zones and less of Mark one on one.
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12/19/2006  10:29 AM
if Marbs & Curry both have big games in a Knick win, i'll be very surprised... so far it looks to me like Jamal & Curry have the best chemistry on this team... Marbury seems to click better w/Frye... D Lee clicks w/everyone because he just knows what the F he's doing out there regardless.
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12/19/2006  10:38 AM
When Steph is out there with Q the usual play is for Steph to feed it to Q on the wing who then passes to Curry or for Steph to pass to Jared, etc. Steph rarely plays a two man game with Curry. Curry isn't a C who has fully learned how to get the ball read the D and then make a good pass to a cutter or open teammate. This is the reason why STeph is so out of it when Curry is in there. The ball goes in and never comes out. Lately Curry has been forced to pass due to heavy double teams, but he's still not making good passes quickly. Usually a bigtime PG/C combo has two guys who work well with each other. In this case they don't really have a two man game at all.

I'm not saying that it can't develop or that Steph can't take the ball and go more often, but as far as the two of them right now it's not a very polished pair. This is something that Isiah has to work on and I haven't seen him actually trying to make that work. As far as Jamal it only looks like Jamal does better cuz he does so many alleyoops, Jamal is far from an effective PG for this team.
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12/19/2006  10:44 AM
Posted by nixluva:

When Steph is out there with Q the usual play is for Steph to feed it to Q on the wing who then passes to Curry or for Steph to pass to Jared, etc. Steph rarely plays a two man game with Curry. Curry isn't a C who has fully learned how to get the ball read the D and then make a good pass to a cutter or open teammate. This is the reason why STeph is so out of it when Curry is in there. The ball goes in and never comes out. Lately Curry has been forced to pass due to heavy double teams, but he's still not making good passes quickly. Usually a bigtime PG/C combo has two guys who work well with each other. In this case they don't really have a two man game at all.

I'm not saying that it can't develop or that Steph can't take the ball and go more often, but as far as the two of them right now it's not a very polished pair. This is something that Isiah has to work on and I haven't seen him actually trying to make that work. As far as Jamal it only looks like Jamal does better cuz he does so many alleyoops, Jamal is far from an effective PG for this team.

I like the way the offense looks when the guards are penetrating and creating, rather than forcing-feeding it to Curry. If he is on, it works great, but if he even has a dry spell the Knicks can go a long time without gettinga a decent look on offense.

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12/19/2006  10:45 AM
alleyoops are an assist that leads directly to an easy made bucket... what's the difference? a PG's job is to get his teammates easy looks at the basket... Jamal does that when he works w/Curry in the 2 man game... he doesn't only throw alley oop passes to Curry either... they have a good ESP when they work together because of all the time they spent playing in Chicago in their first few seasons... Marbury's never been able to develop that chemistry w/Curry because he was too busy arguing w/his teammates & coaches over the past few years.
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12/19/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by TMS:

alleyoops are an assist that leads directly to an easy made bucket... what's the difference? a PG's job is to get his teammates easy looks at the basket... Jamal does that when he works w/Curry in the 2 man game... he doesn't only throw alley oop passes to Curry either... they have a good ESP when they work together because of all the time they spent playing in Chicago in their first few seasons... Marbury's never been able to develop that chemistry w/Curry because he was too busy arguing w/his teammates & coaches over the past few years.


Another reason I think Jamal should run the point more. If anything, it keeps him from his reckless gunning and he actually looks to pass first often.
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12/19/2006  11:27 AM
Posted by realhiphop:

No. They both need to dominate the ball to be effective.

Interestingly enough, they said the same thing about Shaq and Kobe. How many championships did they win again? I forget...
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12/19/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by subzero0:
Posted by realhiphop:

No. They both need to dominate the ball to be effective.

Interestingly enough, they said the same thing about Shaq and Kobe. How many championships did they win again? I forget...


I see the resemblance between Curry And Shaq and Steph And Kobe.


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12/19/2006  12:07 PM
Don't forget:
(1) they were coached by Phil Jackson, who's known for curbing egos;
(2) they had an AWESOME bench (Fisher, Horry, Fox, etc...)

The Lakers by all rights should've won 5 championships in a row but the egomania between Shaq and Kobe killed the dynasty and Phil started siding with Shaq.

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