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LongIslandKnicksFan
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12/17/2006  2:13 AM
This could be a positive for the Knicks. There are so many ways to look at this situation. There are many negatives, yet there are some positives as well....Okay, nevermind, there are no positives, BUT the fight got me excited, disgusted, confused, and happy...Why? It reminded me of the earliy 90's when the Knicks were thugs. Granted this team isn't even close to what those teams were, but they didn't back down.
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12/17/2006  3:50 AM
hey, its nice to turn on the tv and see all the tv stations talking about the knicks again.....if only it had something to do with their play but hey, i'll take this. knicks might need to pick up a few d-leaguers this week
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12/17/2006  3:51 AM
But for the consequences, I might agree.
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12/17/2006  3:55 AM
It's idiotic to think that anything good comes from an ugly incident like this.
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12/17/2006  6:55 AM
Posted by Rich:

But for the consequences, I might agree.
same here. I'm hoping this will wake 'em up! I completely missed the brawl and caught some of the video on ESPN. Mardy's foul was not hard at all!
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12/17/2006  7:33 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Rich:

But for the consequences, I might agree.
same here. I'm hoping this will wake 'em up! I completely missed the brawl and caught some of the video on ESPN. Mardy's foul was not hard at all!

Yeah, people are making a lot bigger deal of it than they should. It was flagrant, yeah, but I think that he did not mean to hurt the guy, and he wasn't hurt!

I have seen a lot of posts recently reminiscing about the good 'ol tough Knicks who wouldn't let you drive the lane or dunk on them, especially showboating, without punishment. And there were other successful teams that had no layup rules etc. Now it is so wrong?

By the way, I never liked the over the top fouls of Starks or Mason, and sometimes Oakley. Tough is one thing, endangering a player's career is another. Collins' foul was nothing compared to some of the stuff we used to see, like Starks breaking Kenny Anderson's wrist.

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12/17/2006  7:58 AM
Mardy's fould was an ordinary flagrant foul. There are probably 100 or 200 like it each year.
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12/17/2006  8:21 AM
Posted by islesfan:

It's idiotic to think that anything good comes from an ugly incident like this.

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12/17/2006  8:23 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Mardy's fould was an ordinary flagrant foul. There are probably 100 or 200 like it each year.


no. no, fouls where someone takes down an airborn player by the neck at the end of a blowout do not happen 200 times a year. much less often, even, does a pathetic coach order the foul as some sort of pathetic bravado.
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12/17/2006  9:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

no. no, fouls where someone takes down an airborn player by the neck at the end of a blowout do not happen 200 times a year. much less often, even, does a pathetic coach order the foul as some sort of pathetic bravado.
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12/17/2006  9:18 AM
JR was not air born. It was a hard 2 handed foul that hit his shoulders with no follow through and didn't touch his head.
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12/17/2006  9:18 AM
I can find more and you know you can find more but I just don't have the time cause you will not change you opinion about this. Notice the difference in how Wade reacted and how Smith reacted.
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12/17/2006  9:19 AM
Nate was actually trying to break things up before JR tackled him....he then went bonkers.
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12/17/2006  9:23 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Nate was actually trying to break things up before JR tackled him....he then went bonkers.

Actually I watched it again...Nate started a lot of this.
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12/17/2006  9:33 AM
There is no defending Mardy on this and it's extremely hard to defend Nate. Mardy didn't grab Smith by the shoulders. He had him around the NECK and slammed him to the floor. That could have ended Smith's career or worse and I don't blame JR Smith for getting pissed off and getting in Mardy's face. Nate Robinson probably played peacemaker for about 2 seconds and then he probably either got intimidated or provoked in a heartbeat and he completely lost it. What Carmelo did was inexcusable and running away after that was cowardly.

Jefferies should have continued playing peacemaker, but he didn't and I have to say thank God Marcus Camby tripped him to the floor, or else it would have gotton a lot uglier. Jefferies was gonna pummel the crap out of Anthony before he got to the Nugget bench.

Also, Kudos for Marbury, Crawford and Curry for staying out of it and kudos to Lee and Frye for not lowering themselves to Nates and Mardy's and Jefferies level.

Amazing how people praise our players for this. It doesn't spark us. We played like shyat last night. We're gonna get killed with suspensions, we look that much worse as a franchise (And the Nuggets look bad too) and both teams are officially on David Sterns s**tlist now.

If Isiah really did tell Mardy to do that, he should have been fired on the spot.
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12/17/2006  9:38 AM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by Andrew:

Nate was actually trying to break things up before JR tackled him....he then went bonkers.

Actually I watched it again...Nate started a lot of this.

Andrew, I paid particular attention to Nate. It looked like for about 1 seconds, he tried to play an extremely angry peacemaker and then he let his emotions completely take over him. He added feul to the fire.

The one guy I don't blame one bit is JR Smith. He got in Mardy's face and that was it and Nate escelated it. It's hard to blame someone for WANTING to kill someone after he felt he was trying to be killed. Being grabbed by the neck and slammed to the floor is not funny business. It was everyone else's job to separate the 2.

Mardy should be suspended for the rest of the year and possibly Nate too.
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12/17/2006  9:42 AM
Posted by Andrew:

JR was not air born. It was a hard 2 handed foul that hit his shoulders with no follow through and didn't touch his head.

Okay, he was about to jump, but both Mardy's hands went under JR's chin - it was a total clothesline. And it was clearly premeditated. It was a dirty play.
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12/17/2006  9:42 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Mardy should be suspended for the rest of the year and possibly Nate too.
What do you think should happen to Melo?
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12/17/2006  9:45 AM
Maybe if we stop losing games by 20 points we wont need to worry about the showboating and wont have to construct devious means of retribution.

When will this franchise get out of the gutter and get back to basketball?
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12/17/2006  9:46 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Mardy should be suspended for the rest of the year and possibly Nate too.
What do you think should happen to Melo?

Does it matter? Suspend him for the year, who cares. What Melo did doesn't absolve Mardy and Nate for starting and then escalating this brawl.
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I'm glad the brawl happened....

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