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arkrud
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12/16/2006  11:55 PM
Is IT closer to the door as ever?
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12/17/2006  8:35 AM
Posted by arkrud:

Is IT closer to the door as ever?

How is Isiah behind the brawl and how is it likely?
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12/17/2006  8:39 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by arkrud:

Is IT closer to the door as ever?

How is Isiah behind the brawl and how is it likely?

there is a report that he ordered the foul - and he told Anthony if they dunked again, it was coming. do you really think it's a coincidence that the foul happened and that Anthony was the one who threw the punch? why even bother standing up for Isiah at this point? he's made a mockery of this entire organization - he's had help, but he needs to go immediately.
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12/17/2006  9:00 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by arkrud:

Is IT closer to the door as ever?

How is Isiah behind the brawl and how is it likely?

there is a report that he ordered the foul - and he told Anthony if they dunked again, it was coming. do you really think it's a coincidence that the foul happened and that Anthony was the one who threw the punch? why even bother standing up for Isiah at this point? he's made a mockery of this entire organization - he's had help, but he needs to go immediately.

Lets say he did order the foul. The foul was a legitimate foul. Nothing he would have gotten suspended for, just a flagrant foul, thats a part of the game. This is a man's game, hard fouls are apart of it. The guy wasn't hurt at all, just upset. Thats not why this all happened. Nate escalated the situation, Nate wanted to fight, and tried to start one. Even after his scuffle with JR it was over, or it should have been, Knick players ran over there to break it up and even after JR punched Nate while he was being held no one did anything else. In run's Carmello with his sucker punch, and he runs away just as quickly.

I would have ordered a hard foul too, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as no one was hurt.
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12/17/2006  9:08 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by arkrud:

Is IT closer to the door as ever?

How is Isiah behind the brawl and how is it likely?

there is a report that he ordered the foul - and he told Anthony if they dunked again, it was coming. do you really think it's a coincidence that the foul happened and that Anthony was the one who threw the punch? why even bother standing up for Isiah at this point? he's made a mockery of this entire organization - he's had help, but he needs to go immediately.

Lets say he did order the foul. The foul was a legitimate foul. Nothing he would have gotten suspended for, just a flagrant foul, thats a part of the game. This is a man's game, hard fouls are apart of it. The guy wasn't hurt at all, just upset. Thats not why this all happened. Nate escalated the situation, Nate wanted to fight, and tried to start one. Even after his scuffle with JR it was over, or it should have been, Knick players ran over there to break it up and even after JR punched Nate while he was being held no one did anything else. In run's Carmello with his sucker punch, and he runs away just as quickly.

I would have ordered a hard foul too, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as no one was hurt.
Exactly!! Like oohah said on another thread, the foul was nothing compared to the beating Oak and Starks put down on people. Isiah ordered the foul but he couldn't have orchestrated the fuking brawl. This is the stupidest conspiracy theory I have heard! I don't really trust Isiah much either but come on!
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12/17/2006  9:44 AM
People need to stop comparing what happened last night to the tough Knicks teams of the 90's.

Those teams played a tough, take no prisoners, style of basketball. Teams knew from the opening tap that there were no easy baskets in the paint. You came into the paint at your own risk. Hard fouls were common.

This Knicks team is a bunch of pu$$ies who play a weak, let anybody come straight to the rim, style of basketball. We've all watched how teams feel that they can come into the paint with complete impunity. But now after getting their asses kicked, again, they want to start proving their toughness? That's completely gutless.

It's not how they play the game, it's just a cheap shot taken because they were embarrassed again by the score, not because they had their starters in. That's just a really lame and pathetic excuse. If they were looking to embarrass the Knicks, why were they milking the shotclock down to 3 seconds before shooting? If they wanted to embarrass them, they would have kept running and shooting.
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12/17/2006  10:11 AM
Alan Hahn makes some good points in his blog.

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/blog/2006/12/the_brawl.html

Most notably:

Thomas' player, Collins, took a sucker-punch to the face from Mello Yello – and there’s no way he didn’t see it, the whole Garden saw it – but Thomas went to mid-court to meet with Anthony. He put his arm around him and the two spoke briefly. Thomas later revealed that he explained to Anthony that he and Marcus Camby shouldn’t have been on the floor up by 19 points that late in the game. Karl should have been ticked off that the opposing coach was talking to one of his players, never mind that the opposing coach was trying to blame it all on him.

Meanwhile, Collins is back at the Knicks bench, where Thomas should have been with his arm around his first-round draft pick. Showing that solidarity the Knicks talked about after the game with such bravado. And giving his appreciation for his determination not to give up another fast-break dunk to the high-flying Smith. Instead, Collins had to see Thomas hugging the guy who just suckered him in the jaw.

Very classy.
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12/17/2006  10:18 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Instead, Collins had to see Thomas hugging the guy who just suckered him in the jaw.
That ****ing bastard!! I didn't catch that part. Thats ****ing retarded.
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12/17/2006  10:48 AM
isiah sent mardy in telling him to foul hard (like the night before). 2 flagrant fouls in a row will cause some investigating.

no, isiah is not responsible for nate inciting jr smith. but it's like giving a crackhead a $20 bill. is he responsible for the crackhead going out and scoring some to get high just b/c he gave him the $20 bill? no. but better judgement should be used b/c a flagrant foul in the nba, IN THIS DAY AND AGE, will probably result in some extra curricular stuff. and his lack of judgement for HIS OWN TEAM and how they would react is the sad thing.

and all the fight did was mask the fact that the team got blown out AGAIN. 3 times in 4 games.

tick tock...tick tock...tick tock...
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12/17/2006  10:51 AM
Stop posting here and work on your blog!
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12/17/2006  10:53 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Stop posting here and work on your blog!
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12/17/2006  10:53 AM
dj, that must have been an amazing end to a blowout loss! Atleast you got your money's worth last night.
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12/17/2006  10:55 AM
Isiah wasn't responsible for what happened. Mardy fouled hard, and he should have been ejected for it.

At least the Knicks stuck up for their teammates, unlike recent past altercations. It was pretty much over when Carmelo made that punk move sucker punching Mardy.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 12-17-2006 11:46 AM]
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12/17/2006  10:57 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Andrew:

Instead, Collins had to see Thomas hugging the guy who just suckered him in the jaw.
That ****ing bastard!! I didn't catch that part. Thats ****ing retarded.

It wasn't a hug, but he had his arm around him a bit. Isiah smiled a bit, and gave Anthony a pat before they parted. They did say something to each other too. Anthonypointed at someone as he wastalking toIsiah. It was too friendly an exchange for the time.
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12/17/2006  10:57 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by arkrud:

Is IT closer to the door as ever?

How is Isiah behind the brawl and how is it likely?

there is a report that he ordered the foul - and he told Anthony if they dunked again, it was coming. do you really think it's a coincidence that the foul happened and that Anthony was the one who threw the punch? why even bother standing up for Isiah at this point? he's made a mockery of this entire organization - he's had help, but he needs to go immediately.

Lets say he did order the foul. The foul was a legitimate foul. Nothing he would have gotten suspended for, just a flagrant foul, thats a part of the game. This is a man's game, hard fouls are apart of it. The guy wasn't hurt at all, just upset. Thats not why this all happened. Nate escalated the situation, Nate wanted to fight, and tried to start one. Even after his scuffle with JR it was over, or it should have been, Knick players ran over there to break it up and even after JR punched Nate while he was being held no one did anything else. In run's Carmello with his sucker punch, and he runs away just as quickly.

I would have ordered a hard foul too, and there is nothing wrong with that, as long as no one was hurt.

The problem I have with the concept of a deliberate hard foul is that it's hard to control the results. With the speeds and velocities involved, there's a good chance of a serious injury. Is it really worth it when you consider that possibility?

Nate is a loose canon out there. He difinitely caused the first surge of violence after the hard foul and JR's predictable reaction. Then it was gonna be over before Carmelo hit Mardy and ran away. Man, he's never gonna live that down.
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12/17/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by Andrew:

Stop posting here and work on your blog!

haha - i'm off to atlantic city for the day to play some blackjack. hopefully i'll be able to get it done by tonight.
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12/17/2006  11:32 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

haha - i'm off to atlantic city for the day to play some blackjack. hopefully i'll be able to get it done by tonight.

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12/17/2006  11:37 AM
I would love to see Isiah get suspended for his role in the brawl. It's not a good thing when your coach is a thug wannabe.
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12/17/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by Solace:

I would love to see Isiah get suspended for his role in the brawl. It's not a good thing when your coach is a thug wannabe.
Please! If Van Gundy, Riley or Brown sanctioned the foul, you would love it! At least be consistent.
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12/17/2006  11:46 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Solace:

I would love to see Isiah get suspended for his role in the brawl. It's not a good thing when your coach is a thug wannabe.
Please! If Van Gundy, Riley or Brown sanctioned the foul, you would love it! At least be consistent.

Again, different eras. The NBA is trying to clean up the league. Furthermore, there's a difference between an intentional foul, a flagrant foul, and a foul intended to injure another player. Collins foul was the third, and right now, evidence seems to support that it was Isiah who told him to do that. No, not cool. I think there is some precidence for a coach getting suspended. If I'm not mistaken, manager(s) have been ejected and/or suspended from games for ordering multiple beanballs on players, which incited a brawl.

Yes, it's consistent. Isiah is an ass and he's doing more harm than good to this basketball team. In the end, he started it. He's the snake. If Van Gundy, Riley, etc... did such in today's era, they would deserve a suspension also.
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