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PresIke
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12/14/2006  1:05 AM
I didn't even realize that after '94 Ewing didn't have a streak longer than that....

But it's all irrelevant since Isiah is apparently more concerned with saving his azz than winning games he knows the team won't win, thus has to make sure "Fat-Curry" gets more shots since he just needs to make the trade for him not look a bad deal.

I mean Curry's offense completely nullifies any scoring he does. Couldn't we have given Jerome James as many shots as Curry and get the same results? Consistency isn't a sign of improvement...well as long as it comes to an Isiah aquisition...since clearly anyone else knows more about basketball than that used car salesman and his annoying smile. Anyway, Curry is the same player he has always been. ZERO improvement, just more shots to CY(IZWT!)A.

We should have never traded Curry for Tyrus Thomas and Sweetney because I KNOW Thomas will be a better player! I saw that one dunk in the opener against Miami...'nuff said. The dude has hops!! No offensive game, but his potential is INFINITELY GREATER than "I like fried chicken" Curry. I just know, so don't bother telling me I'm wrong, because I'm not. Only a complete moron or kool-aid sipper cannot see that I am always right.

EDITED - I saw on MSG that Ewing's streak of 20+ scoring games was WAY more than 11 in 1994, it was something like 17-22?


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12/14/2006  1:09 AM
you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.
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12/14/2006  1:20 AM
I'm fine with trading Ty Thomas. It's this year's pick that concerns me.
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12/14/2006  1:34 AM
I know, I'm just messing. Curry's D is not good, of course and it isn't the best thing to give up, potentialy, 2 #1 picks. Even I had an issue with that.

But the dude is doing really well offensively now. Maybe he'll never develop into a great two way player, but there have been more than a few consistent All-Stars who help their teams win and didn't play great defense. That's where it should be up to the GM to surround the guy with players that can help cover these flaws. Right now, the need for defensive minded guards, and a physical shot blocking PF stand out in my mind as major needs down the road.
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12/14/2006  1:38 AM
Posted by PresIke:

I know, I'm just messing. Curry's D is not good, of course and it isn't the best thing to give up, potentialy, 2 #1 picks. Even I had an issue with that.

But the dude is doing really well offensively now. Maybe he'll never develop into a great two way player, but there have been more than a few consistent All-Stars who help their teams win and didn't play great defense. That's where it should be up to the GM to surround the guy with players that can help cover these flaws. Right now, the need for defensive minded guards, and a physical shot blocking PF stand out in my mind as major needs down the road.

he is dominating offensively.
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12/14/2006  1:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.
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12/14/2006  1:54 AM
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Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

I week ago people were saying they would rather have Dampier then Curry.................. DO YE Haveth ANy SHAMEth!!!!!!!!!!!!
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12/14/2006  5:09 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.
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12/14/2006  5:20 AM
"When he gets in shape, he's a beast," said Atlanta's Lorenzen Wright, who committed five fouls in 12:35 trying to guard Curry. "When we played them earlier in the year, he didn't put out that much effort - he tried to save energy because he was out of shape. I knew that when he got in shape, he'd be tough. He's starting to live up to his potential now. Instead of just being a big body, he's starting to use that body as a strength."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/480058p-403926c.html

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12/14/2006  5:47 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.

Hey Joe,

What the deal?

How much credit do you give Isiah for Curry's dramatic improvement?

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12/14/2006  5:51 AM
Posted by joec32033:

How can you put people down for something like that?
You can, because when the same people were asking the pessimists to have more patience, they were being laughed at and "put down."
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12/14/2006  7:33 AM
I thought Eddy Curry was the same player he was last year

Now I'm confused
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12/14/2006  7:42 AM
god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.
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12/14/2006  7:54 AM
Posted by fishmike:

god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.
His defensive effort was there last night fishmike. He is showing steady improvement so there is no reason to believe he wont turn into a decent defensive player.
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12/14/2006  8:01 AM
Posted by fishmike:

god who cares... we have essentially traded Marbury's great offensive numbers for Curry's. Neither thus far have shown to have any impact on the game what so ever since neither of them so much as raises a hand on the other end of the court.

When these guys can get Curry to start having some kind of defensive presense the Knicks will start to win games. Then the credit will come.


C'mon fish, I don't honestly think you believe that it's effectively a trade-off and neither player has any positive impact on the game because they play poor or inconsistent D. I know your one of those down on the team, but was Dirk Nowitzki worthless to the Mavs for the first few seasons when they made the playoffs because he played no D either? I think the team has looked better for longer stretches than it EVER did when Steph was the main guy last year (and his averages have been declining) and now we're developing the guy we should be.

The team is still inconsistent and not exactly good, sure, but Curry appears to be growing before our eyes with every game. How many more more games, quotes from players and fans of other teams do we need to read before we recognize that Curry has played better? The team is not going to suddenly win game after game when the D is as weak as it is. We need guards that can and will consistently defend and a defensive shot blocker at the PF who will bang. Jeffries might help with the hustle and some shot blocking, but not a lot. Will that be enough? Will it be with Lee or Balkman or Frye? I dunno, but that doesn't mean Curry's worth is the same as Steph's when we sucked before.

A guy with Curry's scoring ability at Center is generally more valuable than a scoring PG, as I believe history has demonstrated. And PLENTY very good and great players have played on teams that have not won more than lost. That's a team issue, not one guy. But if Curry can keep developing confidence in his game maybe that will help the rest of his game. I argue it has as I think his D has actually been a bit better during this stretch. He's had more defensive moments than I can remember in a while.

Give it some time. The dude is DOMINATING at a position which has OFTEN been a position that turns teams around quickly. I'd be the first to say that if he was a better 2 way player that we'd win more games easily. That's why Orlando is doing well this season, because of Howard's D and athleticism. Yao's shot blocking also makes him enough to turn a bad team good. Right now I'd rate Curry as a more athletic Ilgauskas (of a year or 2 ago) in terms of his defensive ability versus offense. But Curry has far more mobility than the Big Z after all of those foot surgeries, and seems to be improving. Get the team more defensive minded players, or get more defensive minded and the team will win more games. But that's more than just Curry, where as other guys I think are hurting us more, while Curry is carrying the team. We often look like crap now without him out there. That was DEFINITELY NOT the case prior to this stretch, and I'd say that's a BIG change that should say good things about his development.

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12/14/2006  8:18 AM
I totally admit it... I am jaded. The Knicks are doing everything they can to get him easy buckets and he's capitalizing. Good for him. We are 5-6 (mostly at home against cheese teams) during his great stretch. It doesnt excite me watching any opposing player do whatever they want in the paint, whether its guards or Al Jefferson's 8 first qtr rebounds against Curry. Its only compounded by the fact that we dont have a single guard that can keep their man in front of them.

Watching us give up lay up after lay up after open 3 is deflating. Watching Eddy's feet cemented to the ground while guys in shape are hopping around tipping balls away from him is deflating.

Eddy had 30/12/2blocks against the Celtics, but if you watched the game you saw Al Jefferson outplayed him. Then I come on here after a blowout loss to the Celtics at home with half their guys hurt and people are excited about Eddy's game.

Sorry, its just no doing it for me. Not after 3 years of the kind of ball Isiah has brought here.

Show me more.

Go trade some guys that will play nasty physical D. Put them around Curry and we might have something. Until then its more of the same.

[Edited by - fishmike on 12-14-2006 08:19 AM]
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12/14/2006  8:24 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

Pax says thats not true. Pax said he refused to do the trade with lottery protection. Why would Pax lie ? By the way people keep forgetting Pax did not want to trade Curry at all. The day of the trade he was really let down and emotional. He couldnt even answer questions at one point.
Also I thought curry defended better last night. Even his blocks are coming up and I never thought Id see that
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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"When he gets in shape, he's a beast," said Atlanta's Lorenzen Wright, who committed five fouls in 12:35 trying to guard Curry. "When we played them earlier in the year, he didn't put out that much effort - he tried to save energy because he was out of shape. I knew that when he got in shape, he'd be tough. He's starting to live up to his potential now. Instead of just being a big body, he's starting to use that body as a strength."
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/480058p-403926c.html

[Edited by - joec32033 on 12-14-2006 05:21 AM]

Wright is a solid long time vet that was just helpless against Curry in the post and just started holding him.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/14/2006  8:26 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

Pax says thats not true. Pax said he refused to do the trade with lottery protection. Why would Pax lie ? By the way people keep forgetting Pax did not want to trade Curry at all. The day of the trade he was really let down and emotional. He couldnt even answer questions at one point.
Also I thought curry defended better last night. Even his blocks are coming up and I never thought Id see that

GM's always roll over after a trade and come out with.... "ah, you almost got me, I would have paid. Nah-nah!" It's called negotiation, perhaps you have never done it.
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