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Only way to really improve: Use Frye to deal Marbury
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Knixkik
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12/13/2006  2:27 PM
I think we have to find a way to trade these two player to really improve. As much as i don't want to trade Frye, i think we need to deal him because of the development of Lee and Curry. I also think Frye's replacement off the bench should be a solid defensvie player/shot blocker to help compliment Curry and Lee. The two teams that stick out to me that may take both players are Minnesota and Denver. They may be the only two possibilities. Minn is the best option because they have multiple role players to return. If they don't get Iverson, Marbury may be their last chance to please Garnett. We could try and trade Marbury for Jaric, Hudson, and Griffin. Griffin would be a decent backup big man for this year until his contract expires. Also, we could try to send Frye in the deal and maybe bring back Foye, McCants, or this year's draft pick. I would really like to draft a play like Thaddeous Young or Marcus Williams to give us a young wing player to develop with the rest of our young players.

Denver is another option and we would have to take Kenyon Martin but i think it would be worth it. I don't know if they would take Marbury and Frye for Andre Miller and Martin but it may be worth a shot. I think the first deal is more likely tho. We could use our pick(or chicago's pick) plus a pick from Minn to move up. Teams may be looking for multiple picks because it looks like there will be a lot of depth in the draft. Getting a top 10 pick would be nice and would get us Young or Williams.

C Curry, Griffin, James
PF Lee, Rose
SF Jeffries, Young, Balkman
SG Richardson, Crawford, Jaric
PG Francis (or Crawford when Francis is out), Robinson, Collins
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12/13/2006  2:28 PM
don't forget, Jared Jefferies is 1 of our best players according to Isiah... i guess that makes Frye that much more expendable.
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12/13/2006  2:39 PM
those deals are terrible you would be better off cutting him and not adding future salary, thos players are not really an upgrade, and if you want to show progress, i think one of the main things we need to do is get both Crawford and Marbury off the team......

Crawford might be the dumbest player in basketball, his shot selection is worse than iversons and if you can get someone or cap relief for the kid you have too
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12/13/2006  2:45 PM
Posted by MS:

those deals are terrible you would be better off cutting him and not adding future salary, thos players are not really an upgrade, and if you want to show progress, i think one of the main things we need to do is get both Crawford and Marbury off the team......

Crawford might be the dumbest player in basketball, his shot selection is worse than iversons and if you can get someone or cap relief for the kid you have too
Crawford hasn't had a consistant role since he's been in New York. Plus he's still young and very talented and can play both guard positions. On top of all this he's best friends with Curry and has great chemistry with him. I don't think he's the problem. It's obvious that removing Marbury from the whole equation will improve this team dramatically, and the only way to trade him is to move one of our young players with him.

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12/13/2006  2:48 PM
more often than not crawford takes a terrible shot with the game on the line and the other team gets fast break points, crawford gets killed on defense and kills the team with his quick shots, he is not a winner, he may hit a few game winners but over the course of the game he never makes sound decision
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12/13/2006  3:04 PM
i think we're a bit too dismissive of frye because of his slow start and injury. he's definitely more valuable than a throw-in to make a deal happen. let's get him back playing, ideally experimenting with his role, and see what we've got as a player, not just a trade piece. give the kid a shot.
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12/13/2006  3:10 PM
Sadly...I don't think we can trade Dinglebury even with Frye for anything. I think the best deal for Blubbury is with Denver and KMart and I don't want that deal.
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12/13/2006  3:12 PM
NUTS!!!...You guys want to give up at 6' 11" potential 20 and 8 guy for nothing...NUTS!!!

[Edited by - holfresh on 12-13-2006 3:20 PM]
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12/13/2006  3:32 PM
he does not have that potential unless he is getting 18-20 shots a game which is not happening next to curry, he doesn't get to the line and doesn't get easy buckets and if a stronger player keeps him out of his shooting zones he is nearly useless, i am hoping they use him the way they should as the top option with the second team, which he will flourish in.....

He sucked because he couldn't get to the line, collect easy scores around the basket and shoot his jumper unless he was given the ball in his sweet spot, which is something the guards were not doing
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12/13/2006  3:46 PM
I think it is too early to decide what Frye can or cannot be. The kid has alot of talent and just got off to a slow start this year. He definitely has the potential to be a 18-20 and 8 rb player. You don't just give away solid PFs for nothing.
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12/13/2006  3:47 PM
Posted by MS:

he does not have that potential unless he is getting 18-20 shots a game which is not happening next to curry, he doesn't get to the line and doesn't get easy buckets and if a stronger player keeps him out of his shooting zones he is nearly useless, i am hoping they use him the way they should as the top option with the second team, which he will flourish in.....

He sucked because he couldn't get to the line, collect easy scores around the basket and shoot his jumper unless he was given the ball in his sweet spot, which is something the guards were not doing

Tell me something...If Curry goes down for 20 games, who is best to step in and pick up the slack...The Knicks are not even a playoff team and you guys want to trade assets before they get an oppurtunity to see what they can do...Frye was one of the better rookies in the league last year...He hasn't had a real chance to play yet...Are you kidding me???

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12/13/2006  3:52 PM
On the Hornets, for example... Frye could probably put up the numbers that we're seeing from David West (#18 overall, 2003 draft), technically a less skilled player. 17.4ppg/8.3rpg in 35mpg.

However, they've more or less decided that he's the first inside option for that team, and he doesn't get competition from Chandler to perform.

I think the Knicks have some excellent talent in reserve. It's a matter of us making a decision whether to use only half of Frye's potential (and be satisfied w/ him averaging 12ppg/7rpg) and allow Curry to be the dominant big man, or trade the 20/8 potential away and get better complimentary pieces around Curry, perhaps trading Frye & Balkman for a more complete/polished player, like a Richard Jefferson (not that that's gonna happen-- just an example).
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12/13/2006  4:00 PM

Frye is exactly what Curry needs right now...Teams are going to start doubling Curry and you need a threat outside or even someone on the other side of the paint to post up as well...I really don't understand why people don't see this...Fyre and Curry playing to their potential makes the Knicks very dangerous...Curry leaves the game Frye can be the number one option...Please stop trying to limit how good this team can be...

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12/13/2006  4:00 PM
MS blasts Crawford more than Islesfan blasts Isiah.
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12/13/2006  4:13 PM
We might hurt ourselves more trading Marbury than just buying him out. I dont want to trade a young asset just to dump Marbury. We arent going to get under the cap with francis anyway
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/13/2006  4:17 PM
Lets keep Frye...If other teams want him is because they know he will flourish to a very good player..Isaiah Thomas nows that, and I do agree that Marbury is the problem.
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12/13/2006  4:25 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

We might hurt ourselves more trading Marbury than just buying him out. I dont want to trade a young asset just to dump Marbury. We arent going to get under the cap with francis anyway

agreed... unless the team is getting back a player that makes sense for this team, i don't dump Frye merely to unload Marbury's contract... better off just buying out Marbury like you said & saving Frye, either to develop him more or to use him in another trade package.
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12/13/2006  4:30 PM
I think Marbury is the problem in the garden because the booing is directed at him, but he has run the offense better and played better d than crawford, we really need him to get a few 20 point games under his belt i am not ready to give up on him
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12/13/2006  4:34 PM
better off just waiving steph instead. no need to lose an asset like frye just to remove steph UNLESS it's to get an expiring deal and a pick.
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12/13/2006  4:35 PM
how do you figure he's played better D than Crawford when it's routinely his man that torches this team on a nightly basis? Crawford's been making hustle plays on defense & getting some big steals down the stretch of games... he's no defensive ace, but he's not as bad as you're making him out to be.
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Only way to really improve: Use Frye to deal Marbury

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