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Is The Dolan Apology Worthy of Patience From Knicks Fans?
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12/13/2006  12:35 PM
But as much as he said he is convinced that Thomas has the answers, and as much as he likes him, Dolan promised he would cast an objective eye on the situation when the season comes to an end. There will be no self-denial about the state of the team and Thomas' job assessment.

"I'm a recovering alcoholic," he said. "I know about denial. I'll do my best to be honest."

Dolan also remained steadfast in his opinion that the current mess is Brown's fault, or at least that Brown set them back in their rebuilding process. He said the players Thomas assembled are good and that Brown messed it all up last year.

"Nothing can make me feel good about the fact we lost last season," he said. "We have good young players. They could have been developed better, we could be farther along today than we are now, and that's my fault. I feel bad about that.

Asked if there was anything positive out of Brown's one year in New York, Dolan couldn't find a single thing.

"I am bereft to find anything positive out of that experience," he said, "and I apologize to the fans for making a bad decision."
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12/13/2006  12:38 PM
like i said before i like what dolan had to say in the mike and the mad dog interview....... I think he is committed to doing the right thing finally. Time will tell but it seems like if this doesent work out hes gutting everything and starting over
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12/13/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Is The Dolan Apology Worthy of Patience From Knicks Fans?

No.

[Edited by - eViL on 12-13-2006 12:40 PM]
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12/13/2006  12:39 PM
No. An apology has two pieces:

a) I'm sorry
b) What *I* did wrong and how the situation will never happen again.

Dolan's "apology" had two pieces:

a) Not a sincere apology - "I'm sorry, but really it was the other guy's fault".
b) We're already witnessing the situation happening again with Isiah, but Dolan is in denial about it.

If Dolan wants to truly apologize, admit that Isiah has caused a mess and fire him. Then he'll get some patience.

[Edited by - Solace on 13-12-2006 12:43 PM]
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12/13/2006  12:42 PM
eVil - why not?

Solace - you think Dolan is The Debbil?
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12/13/2006  12:45 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Solace - you think Dolan is The Debbil?

No, I don't. I think he's just too loyal to a man that was entered into a difficult situation (the situation Layden left the team in) and handled it in the WORST way possible. The Knicks are the laughing stock of the NBA and someone has to be accountable for that. Isiah was in charge, he should be held accountable.

Right now, Dolan has successfully established that accountability does not exist at the Garden. I am not impressed with him, but he is not the Debbil. Isiah is.
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12/13/2006  12:55 PM
In my opinion, Dolan is making so much money off of Cablevision that the Knicks are just a blip on his P&L sheet. He doesn't care about this franchise one iota as much as we all do here on these message boards. I believe his statements yesterday cannot be interpreted any other way. That is why he has the "luxury" of being able to wait the entire season on making a decision on Thomas....I mean, if he really cared, do you believe IT would STILL be here after that pathetic first quarter of the season AND ESPCIALLY after the first half of the Boston game. Imagine any of us looking so terribly inept in front of our bosses (Dolan and Mills were right there - front and center to witness it all that night). Would we make it through the week or would we be fired and escorted out of our respective office buildings (just like Chaney was)? Can't wait for the Hawks game tonight......
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12/13/2006  1:02 PM
Posted by misterearl:

eVil - why not?

Because in his "apology" he was blaming someone else. That's not a real apology.
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12/13/2006  1:05 PM
eVil - i got the sense Dolan was apologizing for approving the signing of Larry Brown. Ultimately, he's the one who signed the paycheck.

People make mistakes.

He's only human.

the question is, has Dolan learned anything in this painful process?
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12/13/2006  1:17 PM
Posted by misterearl:

the question is, has Dolan learned anything in this painful process?

Isiah is still here, so nope.
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12/13/2006  1:23 PM
Dolan can say whatever he wants, but to me, as long as Isiah is running this team, I accept ZERO apologies and have no patience.

You fire Isiah, then and only then will apology be accepted.
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12/13/2006  1:28 PM
What difference does it make? Dolan is an idiot, but we already knew that.
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12/13/2006  1:28 PM
If he sold the Knicks and apologized for so many awful years, I'd accept it.
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12/13/2006  1:38 PM
NOPE the head losers blames it on larry-the loser gm blames it on larry-the loser players blame, larry i wonder if there is a pattern here with people not accepting its their fault the team sucks
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12/13/2006  1:47 PM
did any of you actually listen to the mike and the mad dog interview? it really wasent that bad
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12/13/2006  1:50 PM
where is all the hatred of Dolan rooted?

can people change?
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12/13/2006  1:52 PM
This is regular corporate stuff - everybody blame all failures on somebody who left the company or was fired course he cannot defende himself.
But Dolan has bad product on hands which is not going to work.
He has some temp/consultant (IT) in place to patch it and when this will obviously faile he will need to lay-off all band of clownes.
This order of things is inevitable with big coprorations.
We need to be patient - this stuff is not going to go fast.
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12/13/2006  2:06 PM
This is regular corporate stuff

arkrud - "weapons of mass destruction" is regular corporate stuff.

Just ask Haliburton

This is only basketball
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12/13/2006  2:18 PM
when Dolan proves to me that he's learned from past mistakes, i'll willingly give him as much patience as it takes... right now i'm being patient because i have no other choice in the matter, but i'm not happy about it.
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12/13/2006  2:30 PM

Phuch Dolan. That was bull!

If an alcoholic changes to coke, is he better off? But hey, he stopped drinking! A$$hole!

What the phuch does this mills guy do anyway? Owners who are clueless should just be quiet and let his people talk. Dolan does not know a thing about basketball so let his people talk for him. Isiah has lost his image cred so why not have Mills speak? Can he speak? Can't the knick president speak? Or just take pictures?

Heres a good idea, since we blow money around hear anyway, hire Bill Bradley to over see things around the garden. Sort of an "advisor" and pay him some godforsaken amount to do it. 5-10 mil and do it part time. Call it the "concious" director. Anytime we plan on hiring, firing or signing anyone we just ask him if its a stupid idea. does not have to be a good idea, just doulbe check on the idiodic nature of it. Like JJ-1 for example. Who thought besides Isiah this was a good idea? Mills? Even to hire Isiah? Hire/Fire Larry. Go on Letterman and diss Chaney? Try to hire Fratello and because it went to press then diss the idea and panic hire Wilkens? Fire Marv Albert?

Etc, etc! Some gotta be a voice of reason around here.

And when its time, who else besides a polition can sell this team to fans?
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