Zeke drafts role players not All-Stars? Give it a rest so when we are talking about building blocks we need to take a closer look at his real record, that does include some nice players but other than Tracy no one that is going to carry a team

1995 Solid Selection Damon Stoudimire (never made an All-Star team)

1996 NBA DRAFT
1Philadelphia Allen Iverson G Perennial All-Star
2Toronto Marcus Camby F Massachusetts
3Vancouver Shareef Abdur-Rahim F
4Milwaukee Stephon Marbury G All-Star
5 Minnesota Ray Allen G Perennial All-Star
6 Boston Antoine Walker F All-Star
8New Jersey Kerry Kittles G
10Indiana Erick Dampier C
13 Charlotte Kobe Bryant G One of the Greatest players ever
14 Sacramento Predrag Stojakovic F All-Star
15 Phoenix Steve Nash G Two-Time MVP, All-Star
17Portland Jermaine O'Neal C Perennial All-Star
20 Cleveland Zydrunas Ilgauskas C All-Star

1997
9th pick Tracey McGrady (took a chance and got a his first and only All-Star

All three however have been labeled soft players, and spent a good deal of their career on the injured list


Which is something you have to really consider most players he brings in or wants to bring in have major issues on and off the court, and are considering lockroom problems

2002 Ariza was a good second round selection (good role player)

2003 His Claim to Fame
8. Channing Frye (Would probably take each of these players over him)
9. I Diogu
10 A. Bynum
13. S. May
17. D. Granger
19. H. Warrick

21. Nate the Great (not as special as everyone makes it out to be)
Would you rather have J. Jack, L Head, J Petro

30. David Lee, Isiah’s best selection
Notable second round selections M.Ellis, R.Turiaf, Ryan Gomes

Character Questions around the league
1. Curry 2. Marbury 3. Francis 4. Rose 5. Baker Targeting by Trade 1. Darius Miles 2. Kenyon Martin

Work Ethic Concerns
1. Curry 2. Marbury 3. Crawford 4. Francis 5. Baker 6. J. Rose 7. M. Taylor

He is really a disaster in everything he does

THANK YOU!!!!

God, I'm so sick of this "Isiah's a great drafter" crap. I was just about to post something similar to this but you beat me to it.

Same here. Isiah's did well in Toronto, okay. Isiah's done above-average here. But let's not give him so much credit. He's no drafting God.

On the same token, we could have Ty Thomas, next year's #1, Bynum, J. Jack, Lee, M. Williams and Balkman... with the same draft picks. Just a little better than our kids? Yeah.

There are so many things for people to bash Isiah on. His drafts are not one of them

Thats fine but i am sick of hearing how we have all this young talent and we are in a great place for the future......

We have one starter and he was drafted with the 30th pick.......

If his draft year was

8th: Bynum or Granger you have a starter for years to come
21: Jack who I wanted is going to be good because he is 6'4 and tough and can defend, or ellis
30th: Lee

I would really be excited about our future because we have position players instead of athletes.....

And a nice pick this year, in all honesty would i rather have Thomas than Eddy Curry, yes I would I don't care how effective Eddy is on offense he kills the team on defense, Thomas is Lee with more length and athleticism, even a sg or combo like foye/roye would be refreshing.......

But I hear about young talent, and I hear people mention crawford who is a selfish player that can't shoot a high percentage and is turnover prone and is an open door defensively and i get sick to my stomach.......

Posted by TMS:

bottomline, do you guys like David Lee? do you guys like Renaldo Balkman? do you guys like Nate Robinson? if you do, then Isiah deserves some credit for drafting them.

it's OK to give a guy you hate some credit for doing something good... it's called being objective... i don't remember anyone on this forum ever calling Isiah a drafting God... what Elite said was right, even the best GM has had a few bad picks over the course of his tenure... drafting is never an exact science, & Isiah's shown that he can get some very good talent from late round picks in the past, which is primarily where the Knicks have been drafting the past few years (the trades of the higher picks is a different story)

On the same token, we could have Ty Thomas, next year's #1, Bynum, J. Jack, Lee, M. Williams and Balkman... with the same draft picks. Just a little better than our kids? Yeah.

i'm sure you could draw up a slew of other hypothetical scenarios using other teams & the decisions their well regarded GM's have made over the past few years that could have netted them much better use of some of their picks too if you really wanted to.

Hey. I'm actually not knocking his drafting, for the most part. I just don't believe (like some others do) that his drafting comes anywhere near cancelling out all the other damage he's done to this franchise. It's kind of like whipped cream ontop of dog crap. Look a little closer and it's still dog crap.

Thank You

There is not a GM in the league where you cannot go back a say, with the benefit of hindsight, that he should have drafted this other player instead.

sheesh

Posted by Solace:

Hey. I'm actually not knocking his drafting, for the most part. I just don't believe (like some others do) that his drafting comes anywhere near cancelling out all the other damage he's done to this franchise. It's kind of like whipped cream ontop of dog crap. Look a little closer and it's still dog crap.

from what i could tell, the point of this thread was to say that Isiah's picks have been nothing but role players, not allstars... do you honestly believe that D Lee won't progress to being an Allstar level player in a year or 2? i know you're not crazy about Balkman but i happen to think he's got some potential to be in that discussion too w/some more work on his game... Nate & Mardy are likely going to remain as role players for their careers, but what do you expect to get out of late 1st round picks? Isiah's had 1 high lottery pick & he used it on Channing Frye... last season there were people on this forum making Tim Duncan comparisons (ridiculous)... this season they're calling him a role player at best (also ridiculous imo)... i think Frye can be Allstar material if he can stay healthy & get that mobility back that he had last season along w/his jumpshot... he needs to be on the floor to grow as a player, but he's got the talent to be very good.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Solace:

Hey. I'm actually not knocking his drafting, for the most part. I just don't believe (like some others do) that his drafting comes anywhere near cancelling out all the other damage he's done to this franchise. It's kind of like whipped cream ontop of dog crap. Look a little closer and it's still dog crap.

from what i could tell, the point of this thread was to say that Isiah's picks have been nothing but role players, not allstars... do you honestly believe that D Lee won't progress to being an Allstar level player in a year or 2? i know you're not crazy about Balkman but i happen to think he's got some potential to be in that discussion too w/some more work on his game... Nate & Mardy are likely going to remain as role players for their careers, but what do you expect to get out of late 1st round picks? Isiah's had 1 high lottery pick & he used it on Channing Frye... last season there were people on this forum making Tim Duncan comparisons (ridiculous)... this season they're calling him a role player at best (also ridiculous imo)... i think Frye can be Allstar material if he can stay healthy & get that mobility back that he had last season along w/his jumpshot... he needs to be on the floor to grow as a player, but he's got the talent to be very good.

I absolutely do not see David Lee as an all-star, no. I think he's a very exciting player, but we've already seen that he does have some struggles against the stronger PFs. David Lee has convinced me that he's going to be a good starter or superior sixth man, which is more than I thought on draft day, I'll say that. All-star? Considering Marcus Camby never made an all-star game, and he was better than Lee, I'm not sure Lee will either. Balkman, I'm not convinced Balkman is a starter yet. I think the Shandon Anderson comparison was accurate, though Balkman may be a little better (too early to tell), but Balkman will be an exciting sixth man type of player, and borderline starter in my view.

Good players to have... put them around Tim Duncan and you'd see some real magic. Put them around Eddy Curry and I'm just not convinced that that takes us to the promised land, sorry.

As for Frye, my draft-day opinion was him as a backup center. I think that's his best role. He gets plastered by starting PFs. Backup centers tend to get drafted in the late first round. That's where Frye was projected before Isiah gave him the promise... suddenly he jumps to #8. The sad part is, if Isiah kept his mouth shut about how much he liked Frye, who knows... maybe he would've been there at #21? If not, I would've been fine with Petro.

Posted by misterearl:

Zeke... schmeke...

who's checking Shawn Marion?

pardon?

Posted by Solace:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Solace:

Hey. I'm actually not knocking his drafting, for the most part. I just don't believe (like some others do) that his drafting comes anywhere near cancelling out all the other damage he's done to this franchise. It's kind of like whipped cream ontop of dog crap. Look a little closer and it's still dog crap.

from what i could tell, the point of this thread was to say that Isiah's picks have been nothing but role players, not allstars... do you honestly believe that D Lee won't progress to being an Allstar level player in a year or 2? i know you're not crazy about Balkman but i happen to think he's got some potential to be in that discussion too w/some more work on his game... Nate & Mardy are likely going to remain as role players for their careers, but what do you expect to get out of late 1st round picks? Isiah's had 1 high lottery pick & he used it on Channing Frye... last season there were people on this forum making Tim Duncan comparisons (ridiculous)... this season they're calling him a role player at best (also ridiculous imo)... i think Frye can be Allstar material if he can stay healthy & get that mobility back that he had last season along w/his jumpshot... he needs to be on the floor to grow as a player, but he's got the talent to be very good.

I absolutely do not see David Lee as an all-star, no. I think he's a very exciting player, but we've already seen that he does have some struggles against the stronger PFs. David Lee has convinced me that he's going to be a good starter or superior sixth man, which is more than I thought on draft day, I'll say that. All-star? Considering Marcus Camby never made an all-star game, and he was better than Lee, I'm not sure Lee will either. Balkman, I'm not convinced Balkman is a starter yet. I think the Shandon Anderson comparison was accurate, though Balkman may be a little better (too early to tell), but Balkman will be an exciting sixth man type of player, and borderline starter in my view.

Good players to have... put them around Tim Duncan and you'd see some real magic. Put them around Eddy Curry and I'm just not convinced that that takes us to the promised land, sorry.

As for Frye, my draft-day opinion was him as a backup center. I think that's his best role. He gets plastered by starting PFs. Backup centers tend to get drafted in the late first round. That's where Frye was projected before Isiah gave him the promise... suddenly he jumps to #8. The sad part is, if Isiah kept his mouth shut about how much he liked Frye, who knows... maybe he would've been there at #21? If not, I would've been fine with Petro.

Frye was not projected to be drafted late in the first round. He was definitely a lotto pick.