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jskinny35
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12/3/2006  4:24 PM
While Curry has played better offensively the past few games, he still lacks in basic basketball IQ, desire to rebound and block shots. But b/c our coach believes he is the player to build around, we have to complement him better and cover his deficiencies. Many have suggested Tyson Chandler as a good complement (and I agree), He does everything Curry doesn't do and vice versa. If you combined the two of them, you'd have a great center (like Ewing or Olajuwon) Anyway, since Chandler may not be available, perhaps these players should be considered.

1)Dalembert - he's probably available for a package of Frye and M.Rose. He can't shoot, but he guards the basket, rebounds and reads at a higher grade level than Curry :) Since he's overpaid and inconsistent, he would fit in with our team relatively well. Dalmbert for Frye and M.Rose?

2)Petro or Sene - they are both projects, but seem to have defensive potential - something we need! We would have to be patient on this one, but it could really pay off by waiting instead of trading Frye for the best available PF mentioned at this time (Gooden?). They would be low salary players at this point, and may develop into a real defensive force. Again, not the way I would build a team, but trying to make the most out of what we have. Maybe Fortson, Sene and Watson for Frye, M.Rose and Crawford?

3)Magliore - he's available and what you see is what you get. About 12 pts, 8-9 rebounds and a block. His contact expires soon so that may allow for a trial period to see if he really does complement Curry. He is long, plays defense and very mobile. Not the most exciting trade, but is more than serviceable. It's possible we could even get him without giving up Frye. Then we could move Frye to the bench with Lee as they have good chemistry and would provide for a strong bench. I'm reaching but maybe Francis and J.James for LaFRentz and Magliore? (They'd never take Marbury)

Just my thoughts, but either way, it's becoming clear that Frye and Lee are great reserves and average starters that can't compensate for Curry's defeciences well enough. Now if only IT was fired and we moved Curry...
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12/3/2006  6:39 PM
Personally I hope no moves are made until it is decided how long Isiah is going to be the GM and/or coach of this team. When and if we get some new management, they should have the authority to make these kinds of moves. It might mean dealing for pieces to complement Curry, or getting rid of Curry, Marbury, Francis, etc.
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12/3/2006  6:50 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Personally I hope no moves are made until it is decided how long Isiah is going to be the GM and/or coach of this team. When and if we get some new management, they should have the authority to make these kinds of moves. It might mean dealing for pieces to complement Curry, or getting rid of Curry, Marbury, Francis, etc.

Roger that !

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12/3/2006  7:11 PM
it would be interesting to see curry's trade value if he keeps this up. teams like seattle and atlanta would probably be interested, memphis possibly a s well.
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12/3/2006  7:16 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

it would be interesting to see curry's trade value if he keeps this up. teams like seattle and atlanta would probably be interested, memphis possibly a s well.


great point
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12/3/2006  7:36 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

it would be interesting to see curry's trade value if he keeps this up. teams like seattle and atlanta would probably be interested, memphis possibly a s well.

West/Memphis wanted Curry for a long time.

Curry is the first real post scorer we have had since patrick so it makes great sense to trade him. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/3/2006  7:50 PM
1)Hell NO!!!! Don't understand the Dally man crush with people that don't like Curry at all, but he stinks to high heaven and isn't a PowerForward.
2)No, Frye is a much better prospect then Sene or Petro.
3)No, he left the bucks because he wants to be an Center.


Frye can still come off the bench and get 30 mintues a game you know?????
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12/3/2006  7:58 PM
Yeah, Id rather keep Frye over all the guys mentioned. However, I would seriously consider trading Frye in a package that got us Tyson Chandler comming back. Frye is a more sexy player because he can score, but Chandler makes so much sense next to Curry.

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12/3/2006  8:14 PM
Chandler would be great, but new orleans is not going to trade him. Frye (as many here have said) is a center playing out of position. he is a much better defender when playing center, and is better than curry defending that position. i like curry's offense, but the knicks will never be more than an average defensive team with him and channing costs much less. personally, id like channing to stay here as the center and move curry.
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12/3/2006  10:40 PM
Posted by NYKPHINS:

Chandler would be great, but new orleans is not going to trade him. Frye (as many here have said) is a center playing out of position. he is a much better defender when playing center, and is better than curry defending that position. i like curry's offense, but the knicks will never be more than an average defensive team with him and channing costs much less. personally, id like channing to stay here as the center and move curry.


I'm a Frye fan but not as a starting center. To me he would be similar to a taller KT who would get us 1-2 fts a game with very little post scoring. Some guys love to be in the post. some guys only do it when pushed in there. Frye is a great outside shooter for a big man and thats where he likes to be.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  10:08 AM
I don't think Frye is opposed to playing in the post. It seemed to me that the only time he could consistently get the ball was when he was on the perimeter, so he would shoot from outside. Whenever he went down low, our guards would not get him the ball. I think Frye can be very effective as a post-player. He needs a little more strength, but he has a good hook shots and some other moves down low.
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12/4/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I don't think Frye is opposed to playing in the post. It seemed to me that the only time he could consistently get the ball was when he was on the perimeter, so he would shoot from outside. Whenever he went down low, our guards would not get him the ball. I think Frye can be very effective as a post-player. He needs a little more strength, but he has a good hook shots and some other moves down low.


He prefers to be outside. He can play inside occasionally but doesnt like to bang inside repeatedly. Aguire said something similar. Frye already gets out muscled by some pfs. How effective is his own offensive game going to be if we ask him to bang inside with guys heavier and stronger for 35mpg?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  11:18 AM
perfect let hinge our future on Curry, Chandler and Crawford that worked wonders for the bulls
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12/4/2006  11:20 AM
Posted by MS:

perfect let hinge our future on Curry, Chandler and Crawford that worked wonders for the bulls

Curry and Chandler lead the Bulls to the playoffs and if Curry would have played in the series against the Wiz, they would have advanced to the 2nd round.
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12/4/2006  11:34 AM
Frye actually has been MUCH more effective in the post this year. He was able to make solid post moves against PF's this year, but our guards just didn't give him the ball enough inside. In his last 7 games before he got injured he was really starting to pick up his play again. His rebounding, blocked shots and scoring all went up a bit. I think people are being WAY to premature with Frye. All this talk of letting him go is just silly.

We have Curry, Lee, Frye and Jared and I think we're just fine with those guys. We have good size, scoring defense and rebounding. We don't need to change a thing. We finally have a nice young group of bigs with talent and people can't wait to get rid of them. How about we finish developing these guys? GEEZ!
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12/4/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by nixluva:

Frye actually has been MUCH more effective in the post this year. He was able to make solid post moves against PF's this year, but our guards just didn't give him the ball enough inside. In his last 7 games before he got injured he was really starting to pick up his play again. His rebounding, blocked shots and scoring all went up a bit. I think people are being WAY to premature with Frye. All this talk of letting him go is just silly.

We have Curry, Lee, Frye and Jared and I think we're just fine with those guys. We have good size, scoring defense and rebounding. We don't need to change a thing. We finally have a nice young group of bigs with talent and people can't wait to get rid of them. How about we finish developing these guys? GEEZ!

Agreed, unless we are getting Garnett or a PROVEN young power player, I say we keep our players for another year and see how they develop. I think Frye and Lee can make huge advances in their games, and Curry can also get better.
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12/4/2006  11:51 AM
I sure would hate to give up on any of our 23 year old bigs and have them come back to bite us in the butt
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/4/2006  12:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Frye actually has been MUCH more effective in the post this year. He was able to make solid post moves against PF's this year, but our guards just didn't give him the ball enough inside. In his last 7 games before he got injured he was really starting to pick up his play again. His rebounding, blocked shots and scoring all went up a bit. I think people are being WAY to premature with Frye. All this talk of letting him go is just silly.

We have Curry, Lee, Frye and Jared and I think we're just fine with those guys. We have good size, scoring defense and rebounding. We don't need to change a thing. We finally have a nice young group of bigs with talent and people can't wait to get rid of them. How about we finish developing these guys? GEEZ!
I think we do need another forward because JJ2 isn't a powerforward, he can be our emergency Power Forward though along with Balkman. I think if we draft it should be for an backup powerforward to Lee. BUt yeah, I'm not trading frye unless it's for a star or to move a star(bury)....
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12/4/2006  12:13 PM
Posted by MS:

perfect let hinge our future on Curry, Chandler and Crawford that worked wonders for the bulls

Exactly what I was thinking!!!
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12/4/2006  12:21 PM
Let's just pay Greg Oden in an under the table shady transaction to stay in school and give us time to get rid of all these contracts and just do it the good ol' fashioned Cleveland way
Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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